[Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net
Pat @ Pgogy
xerte at pgogywebstuff.com
Tue Oct 22 13:24:45 BST 2013
Can you try paying extra and getting to East Mids? So much easier
I can't do it (probably in Miami at a conference), but interested in
minutes?
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl> wrote:
> Sounds like November 20th is acceptable
>
> I'll book a flight later today and hire a car (or you must convince me,
> the train is better, but I must say, I haven't got much confidence in
> trains, based on the Dutch NS. Will arraive at London Standsted at around
> 8:10 (uk time) and have to be at Standsted at around 19:00)
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:03:19 +0100 Mark Berthelemy <
> mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk> wrote
>
> I've put 20th Nov in my diary.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
> On Oct 21, 2013 7:30 PM, "Julian Tenney" <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Great, I think it would be brill if you can come. 20th it is then.
>> ________________________________________
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [
>> reijnders at tor.nl]
>> Sent: 21 October 2013 16:20
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net
>>
>> I can do November 20.
>>
>> Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> schreef:
>>
>> I can do either as well. I think timings are to give time for Sven to get
>> here from Brighton, and to have a 'working' lunch, so 11 - 3 if we need
>> that lo ng? I'd imagine the conversations could easily fill that time.
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [
>> ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk]
>> Sent: 21 October 2013 10:45
>> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net>
>>
>> At the moment I can make either of those dates but would be good to
>> confirm
>> asap. What about setting up a quick Doodle or Meetomatic to assess the
>> best
>> date/time? I guess an idea of start and finish time would help everyone
>> too.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte- dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian
>> Tenney
>> Sent: 21 October 2013
>> 10:28
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net>
>>
>> 20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome
>> too.
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
>> [mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk]
>> Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Cc: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subjec t: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net>
>>
>> Hi Julian,
>>
>> I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this
>> year.
>>
>> What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that
>> allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework
>> to
>> build a one page site at run time.
>>
>> At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions.
>> But, what they do
>> have
>> is a strong governance setup and people who are
>> working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good
>> things
>> like marketing and documentation.
>>
>> IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for
>> Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized"
>>
>> I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let
>> me
>> know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next
>> two weeks I'm afraid.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -----
>> Mark Berthelemy
>> 07922 146 761
>>
>> On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is all
>> interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes
>> so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are
>> opportunities.
>> I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good
>> perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt'
>> project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all
>> work
>> together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are
>> much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but
>> it
>> has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very
>> differ ent. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to
>> come
>> to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could
>> have
>> a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read
>> up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts.
>>
>> I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response.
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
>> [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk]
>> Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53
>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net>
>>
>> Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i
>> only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with...
>>
>> I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc
>> being funded too.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> John Sm
>> ith
>> Learning Technologist
>> School of Health and Life Sciences
>>
>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>>
>>
>>
>> "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your
>> reply...
>>
>> I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse -
>> assuming they are happy to do that.
>>
>> But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least
>> the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded?
>>
>> For example i have a job but
>> also
>> occasionally do some consultancy coding.
>> My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to
>> my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you
>> obviously work to someone else's agenda.
>>
>> Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes
>> falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That
>> NEEDS done otherwise we stall.
>>
>> We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs.
>> And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged.
>>
>> I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while
>> taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the
>> conference participants, companies, etc...
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> John Smith
>> Learning Technologist
>> School of Health and Life Sciences
>>
>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Berthelemy <mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk<mberthelemy at wyversolut+ions.co.uk>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Absolutely Ron.
>>
>> And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads
>> happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be
>> the
>> answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be!
>>
>> As a means of promoting a conferen
>> ce,
>> JISC is less relevant to corporates.
>>
>> Sorry about that.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> --
>> Mark Berthelemy
>> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>> Tel: 01773 318 962
>> Mob: 07922 146 761
>> Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk><
>> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main
>> objecti ves and these are obviously different for different people. But I
>> think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark
>> Berthelemy
>> Sent: 18 Octobe
>> r 2013
>> 16:46
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to
>> corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used.
>>
>>
>>
>> Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance
>> Institute.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>> *
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark Berthelemy
>>
>> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>>
>> Tel: 01773 318 962
>>
>> Mob: 07922 146 761
>>
>> Web:
>> www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk><
>> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<http://www.wyverso
>> lutions.co.uk<http://lutions.co.uk><http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis
>> especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so
>> that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There' s some
>> overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options.
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list
>> s.nottingham.ac.uk<http://s.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
>> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future
>> developments?
>>
>>
>>
>> What organisation would receive the money and distribute it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry to be picky. but good governance and structures are pretty important
>> IMO.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark Berthelemy
>>
>> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>>
>> Tel: 01773 318 962
>>
>> Mob: 07922 146 761
>>
>> Web:
>> www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk><
>> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<http://www.wyverso
>> lutions.co.uk<http://lutions.co.uk><http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> Likewise I think if we made it known that som e of the attendance cost
>> would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who
>> would support that.
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list
>> s.nottingham.ac.uk<http://s.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
>> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17
>> To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; For Xerte
>> technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><< a href="
>> http://xerte.net/">http://xerte.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that
>> wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a
>> lot
>> of takers from the corporate world.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark Berthelemy
>>
>> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>>
>> Tel: 01773 318 962
>>
>> Mob: 07922 146 761
>>
>> Web:
>> www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk><
>> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<http://www.wyverso
>> lutions.co.uk<http://lutions.co.uk><http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote:
>>
>> I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about
>> a XOT conference
>>
>>
>>
>> Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people
>> come, quids in
>>
>>
>>
>> O
>> n Fri,
>> Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John
>> <
>> J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money
>> from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is
>> there. again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the
>> ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark
>> and then not doing anything with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> John Smith
>>
>> Learning Technologist
>>
>> School of Hea lth & Life Sciences
>>
>> Glasgow Caledonian University
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list
>> s.nottingham.ac.uk<http://s.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-boun
>> ces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM
>>
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
>>
>>
>> With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University
>> should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me
>> the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be managed
>> in
>> much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up
>> against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very
>> keen
>> to leave this job to pursue it.
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list
>> s.nottingham.ac.uk<http://s.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
>> Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are;
>> with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the
>> viability of Xerte in the medium/long term?
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a
>> company for much less cost...
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark Berthelemy
>>
>> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>>
>> Tel: 01773 318 962
>>
>> Mob: 07922 146 761
>>
>> Web:
>> www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk><http://www.w
>> yversolutions.co.uk/ <http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/><
>> http://www.wyverso
>> lutions.co.uk<http://lutions.co.uk><http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote:
>>
>> Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good
>> place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit
>> t
>> o
>> how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs.
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list
>> s.nottingham.ac.uk<http://s.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-b+ounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy
>> Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>> If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one)
>> I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which
>> SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc)
>>
>>
>>
>> It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the
>> first place) a
>> nd is
>> when bad things happen.
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