[Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

Smith, John J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk
Mon Oct 21 11:29:59 BST 2013 

Oh and angular is what I've been working with... I think it makes a lot of sense and the two way data-binding is refreshing...

Regards,

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health & Life Sciences
Glasgow Caledonian University

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 11:11 AM
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

Remember you can build an editor to do whatever to want it to do - there is no requirement on it to have to be XML

Mark if you've not seen there are non-Xerte modules you can add to XOT which edit a variety of things (I tend to use serialised PHP as my storage as a bit quicker if talking only to PHP)

Given Angular and so on, moving towards json makes sense to me

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
We've talked about converting the internal structure to using json and renaming it to Jerte (only kidding!) and in many ways i think json editing and transport would be more robust and prevent most of the quote escaping and bad character issues that have cropped up recently...

As Tom and Ron both pointed out though the xml is interwoven into a lot of the peer and sharing functionality so a direct switch would some care and attention...

Have often wondered though about running both out upon saving and loading the json directly into xenith to avoid the lengthy parsing routine at runtime...

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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Mark Berthelemy <mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk<mailto:mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk>> wrote:


Hi Julian,

I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this year.

What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to build a one page site at run time.

At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions. But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good things like marketing and documentation.

IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized"

I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next two weeks I'm afraid.

Cheers,

Mark

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> On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
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> This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities. I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt' project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts.
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> I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response.
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> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net>
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> Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with...
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> I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc being funded too.
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> Regards
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> John Smith
> Learning Technologist
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> "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
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> Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply...
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> I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that.
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> But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded?
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> For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda.
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> Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall.
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> We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged.
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> I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc...
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> Regards
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> John Smith
> Learning Technologist
> School of Health and Life Sciences
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> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
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> Mark Berthelemy <mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk<mailto:mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk>> wrote:
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> Absolutely Ron.
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> And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be!
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> As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates.
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> Sorry about that.
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> Mark
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> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote:
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> There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications.
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> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
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> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
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> Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used.
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> Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute.
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> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote:
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> I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options.
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> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33
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> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
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> Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments?
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> What organisation would receive the money and distribute it?
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> Sorry to be picky... but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO.
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> Tel:     01773 318 962
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> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote:
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> Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that.
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> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
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> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
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> Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world.
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> Mark
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> Mark Berthelemy
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> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
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> Tel:     01773 318 962
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> Mob:   07922 146 761
>
> Web:   www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk><http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>>
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> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote:
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> I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference
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> Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in
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> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk><mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>>> wrote:
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> We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is there... again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it...
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> Regards,
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>
> John Smith
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> Learning Technologist
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> School of Health & Life Sciences
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> Glasgow Caledonian University
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>
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> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM
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> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
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> With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it.
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> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
> Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39
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> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
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> Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term?
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> BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost...
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> Mark
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> --
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> Mark Berthelemy
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> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>
> Tel:      01773 318 962
>
> Mob:    07922 146 761
>
> Web:    www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk><http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>>
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> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote:
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> Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs.
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> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy
> Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55
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> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
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> If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc)
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> It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen.
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