[Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

Mon Oct 21 11:10:52 BST 2013

Remember you can build an editor to do whatever to want it to do - there is
no requirement on it to have to be XML

Mark if you've not seen there are non-Xerte modules you can add to XOT
which edit a variety of things (I tend to use serialised PHP as my storage
as a bit quicker if talking only to PHP)

Given Angular and so on, moving towards json makes sense to me

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

> We've talked about converting the internal structure to using json and
> renaming it to Jerte (only kidding!) and in many ways i think json editing
> and transport would be more robust and prevent most of the quote escaping
> and bad character issues that have cropped up recently...
>
> As Tom and Ron both pointed out though the xml is interwoven into a lot of
> the peer and sharing functionality so a direct switch would some care and
> attention...
>
> Have often wondered though about running both out upon saving and loading
> the json directly into xenith to avoid the lengthy parsing routine at
> runtime...
>
> Regards
>
> John Smith
> Learning Technologist
> School of Health and Life Sciences
>
> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>
>
>
> Mark Berthelemy <mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Julian,
>
> I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this
> year.
>
> What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that
> allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to
> build a one page site at run time.
>
> At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions.
> But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are
> working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good
> things like marketing and documentation.
>
> IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for
> Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized"
>
> I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let
> me know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the
> next two weeks I'm afraid.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
> -----
> Mark Berthelemy
> 07922 146 761
>
> > On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes
> so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities.
> I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good
> perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt'
> project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all
> work together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group
> are much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on,
> but it has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are
> very different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going
> to come to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we
> could have a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates...
> please read up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts.
> >
> > I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response.
> > ________________________________________
> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [
> J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk]
> > Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53
> > To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net
> >
> > Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i
> only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with...
> >
> > I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc
> being funded too.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > John Smith
> > Learning Technologist
> > School of Health and Life Sciences
> >
> > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
> >
> >
> >
> > "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your
> reply...
> >
> > I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse
> - assuming they are happy to do that.
> >
> > But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least
> the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded?
> >
> > For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy
> coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really
> work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid
> work you obviously work to someone else's agenda.
> >
> > Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but
> sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql
> depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall.
> >
> > We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour
> jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged.
> >
> > I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent,
> while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie
> the conference participants, companies, etc...
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > John Smith
> > Learning Technologist
> > School of Health and Life Sciences
> >
> > Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Berthelemy <mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Absolutely Ron.
> >
> > And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads
> happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be
> the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be!
> >
> > As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to
> corporates.
> >
> > Sorry about that.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --
> > Mark Berthelemy
> > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
> > Tel: 01773 318 962
> > Mob: 07922 146 761
> > Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<
> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk>>
> >
> >
> > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote:
> >
> > There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main
> objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I
> think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
> > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46
> > To: For Xerte technical developers
> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net/>
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to
> corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used.
> >
> >
> >
> > Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning &
> Performance Institute.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Mark Berthelemy
> >
> > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
> >
> > Tel:     01773 318 962
> >
> > Mob:   07922 146 761
> >
> > Web:   www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<
> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<
> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<
> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote:
> >
> > I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis
> especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so
> that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some
> overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
> > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33
> > To: For Xerte technical developers
> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net/>
> >
> >
> >
> > Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future
> developments?
> >
> >
> >
> > What organisation would receive the money and distribute it?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry to be picky… but good governance and structures are pretty
> important IMO.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Mark Berthelemy
> >
> > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
> >
> > Tel:     01773 318 962
> >
> > Mob:   07922 146 761
> >
> > Web:   www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<
> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<
> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<
> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote:
> >
> > Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost
> would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who
> would support that.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
> > Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17
> > To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; For Xerte
> technical developers
> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net/>
> >
> >
> >
> > Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that
> wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot
> of takers from the corporate world.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Mark Berthelemy
> >
> > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
> >
> > Tel:     01773 318 962
> >
> > Mob:   07922 146 761
> >
> > Web:   www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<
> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<
> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<
> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote:
> >
> > I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a
> XOT conference
> >
> >
> >
> > Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come,
> quids in
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk
> <mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
> >
> > We’ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from
> merchandising; how much I don’t know but the opportunity is there… again
> though it’s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership – there
> doesn’t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing
> anything with it…
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > John Smith
> >
> > Learning Technologist
> >
> > School of Health & Life Sciences
> >
> > Glasgow Caledonian University
> >
> >
> >
> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM
> >
> > To: For Xerte technical developers
> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net/>
> >
> >
> >
> > With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University
> should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me
> the University has registered a trademark against ‘Xerte’, to be managed in
> much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up
> against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very
> keen to leave this job to pursue it.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
> > Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39
> > To: For Xerte technical developers
> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net/>
> >
> >
> >
> > Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are;
> with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the
> viability of Xerte in the medium/long term?
> >
> >
> >
> > BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a
> company for much less cost...
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Mark Berthelemy
> >
> > Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
> >
> > Tel:      01773 318 962
> >
> > Mob:    07922 146 761
> >
> > Web:    www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<
> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<
> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<
> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote:
> >
> > Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good
> place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit
> to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy
> > Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55
> > To: For Xerte technical developers
> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net/>
> >
> >
> >
> > If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I
> would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs
> decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc)
> >
> >
> >
> > It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the
> first place) and is when bad things happen.
> >
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