[Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

Fri Oct 18 18:22:15 BST 2013

Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your reply...

I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse - assuming they are happy to do that.

But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded?

For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy coding. My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you obviously work to someone else's agenda.

Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That NEEDS done otherwise we stall.

We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs. And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged.

I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the conference participants, companies, etc...

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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Mark Berthelemy <mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk> wrote:

Absolutely Ron.

And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be!

As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to corporates.

Sorry about that.

Mark

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On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote:

There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications.

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Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net/>

Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used.

Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance Institute.

Mark

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On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote:

I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33
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Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future developments?

What organisation would receive the money and distribute it?

Sorry to be picky… but good governance and structures are pretty important IMO.

Mark

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On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote:

Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who would support that.

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Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot of takers from the corporate world.

Mark

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On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote:

I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about a XOT conference

Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people come, quids in

On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:

We’ve discussed this before but you could probably make some money from merchandising; how much I don’t know but the opportunity is there… again though it’s dependent on the use of the trademark and the ownership – there doesn’t seem much point registering the trademark and then not doing anything with it…

Regards,

John Smith

Learning Technologist

School of Health & Life Sciences

Glasgow Caledonian University

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net/>

With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ‘Xerte’, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39
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Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term?

BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost...

Mark

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On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote:

Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs.

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Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55
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If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc)

It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen.

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