[Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

Fri Oct 18 11:43:33 BST 2013

Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a
thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability!

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy
Sent: 18 October 2013 11:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

The whole world is going SaaS anyways, some people will in house, some
people won't. 

I imagine a lot of the in-house people would go for a SaaS if they could

We've seen on the list a few people who are using localhosts and for whom a
small paid for service would make sense.

Personally (not to disagree with Mark) I dislike the corporate mothership
approach that Drupal and WordPress have because it means a company is
driving the future development of the product, not the community as a whole
(the itch-scratchers to extend a sort of plebeian commentary) and if the
development is dominated to address corporate needs, rather than the
community, then it is open-source, but it's future direction is not as open
as it could be (perhaps this needs some sort of democratic model)

However, I do think a paid for service / bitnami would be logical

No idea what the user base is, but I have a suspicion we're mostly
education?

On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no
visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with
service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without
involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier).

It’s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ‘free’ side of
Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to pay
for is better. The commercial organisations I’ve worked in would definitely
see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no support / SLAs etc
would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a barrier wherever you are
as we know. There are products that aren’t as good as ours charging a lot of
money for a year’s access, it’s not just a tenner here and there, more like
$1k per user per year with discounts for volume.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark
Berthelemy
Sent: 18 October 2013 09:37

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true
 with far more
cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or
LDAP authentication).

Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for
Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently
reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's
an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process.

These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no
visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with
service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without
involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier).

These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable
simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because
it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability
to spend time understanding how the software works.

Regards,

Mark

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On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote:

At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house

particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is

to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work.

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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity.

There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd

prefer it was us.

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[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John

[J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk]

Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-)

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist

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Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

[Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]

Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only

£20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to

earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me,

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[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders

[reijnders at tor.nl]

Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03

To: For Xerte technical developers

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

We might want to transfer the contents of the database...

Tom

Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30:

RIP old wiki

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ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of

Julian Tenney

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(xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)

Subject: [Xerte-dev] xerte.net

Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net has been in touch to

say the domain registration is about to lapse. It’s where the old wiki is –

are there any concerns if we just let it quietly pass away?

J

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