[Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net
Mark Berthelemy
mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk
Fri Oct 18 10:48:11 BST 2013
Hi John,
I know what you mean, but I've seen too many O/S project not get the traction they deserve because developers didn't take into account marketing, documentation, support and hosting.
It's the ones that can offer the full package (whether themselves or through partners) that see significant ongoing use and have a sustainable business model.
Mark
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On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 10:45, Smith, John wrote:
> I think we’re getting away from what we are… do we want to be a hosting company or do we want to be developers…
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> Personally I’d like to see us get Xerte onto Softaculous and thus into cPanel, Plesk, DirectAdmin, InterWorx, H-Sphere. Then people can use all the webhosts out there who know what they are doing and have a one click install…
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> Learning Technologist
> School of Health & Life Sciences
> Glasgow Caledonian University
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> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 10:35 AM
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> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net)
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> That’s what I meant!
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> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk) [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
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> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net)
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> You're right, Julian, but it's more a case of having a legal contract with an entity you could take to court… but that's why you expect to pay for it!
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> > > These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier).
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> > These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability to spend time understanding how the software works.
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> > On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote:
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> > > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
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> > > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net (http://xerte.net)
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> > > I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity.
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> > > There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd
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> > > [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)] On Behalf Of Smith, John
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> > > I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only
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> > > Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old Xerte.net (http://Xerte.net) has been in touch to
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