[Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched video and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...

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On 25 Feb 2013, at 12:38, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Thomas
> uploading other formats doesn't require ftp - when people are learning they
> upload all sorts of formats until they find that they don't work. But those
> files do appear in media and quota where you can grab the link and link as
> you suggest or even embed with a bit of html.
> 
> For me the issue isn't really about simple playback - those clips should
> really be uploaded to a streaming service anyway. But the synched video page
> obviously adds some value and interaction so I think a solution for that
> would be useful.
> 
> Ron
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Rochford
> Sent: 25 February 2013 11:58
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched
> video and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...
> 
> Hi, we do need something to bridge the gap. The problem arises if you try to
> produce a page that will run on a range of platforms. My simplistic (?)
> suggestion is to enables authors to embed an mp4 file either instead-of, or
> inplace-of, the .flv one which is the only one currently allowed. I'm
> currently working on a demo project for a teachers' conference we're running
> in mid-march and my work-around is to put a link to a .wmv or .mp4 file in
> the text accompanying the flash video. This works fine on windows Phone 7. I
> think there were some issues to do with the codec and .mp4 earlier, but if
> people are viewing it on their own devices this wouldn't matter. At the
> moment, of course, the .mp4/.wmv file has to be separately uploaded and
> placed in the right directory. This involves the use of ftp and is far from
> ideal. My idea would be to allow users to upload both versions and for the
> flash template to 'pick' the .flv version at runtime, if it doesn't support
> .mp4 already. The web version will probably always be able to do .mp4. 
> 
> Kindest Regards,
> Thomas
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
> Sent: 25 February 2013 10:56
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched
> video and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...
> 
> maybe it's a stoopit idea though thinking about it... if they need to use
> Flash because of a lack of HTML5 support then is there anything useful that
> you would be able to do in a <div> over the flash ??
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow
> Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
> [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk]
> Sent: 25 February 2013 09:48
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched
> video  and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...
> 
> Just meant for people who want to stick to the flash player for now... also,
> for IE 6/7/8 that don't do HTML5, although we may be able to shoehorn in
> some js libraries for those browsers to "fix" what is missing in support for
> HTML5... people delivering content to IE6/7 in NHS might not be able to use
> the html5 ones for a while!!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
> Room A251, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow
> Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
> Sent: 25 February 2013 09:33
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched
> video  and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...
> 
> You could just use the HTML5 output?
> 
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
> Sent: 22 February 2013 16:17
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched
> video and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...
> 
> That is very good Julian. I think we should have a wizard like that for the
> other template type, even if we can’t use it in flash…
> 
> A thought might be though that with the flash player, couldn’t we just
> overlay a div and have the html5 only code run in that??
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John Smith
> Learning Technologist
> School of Health & Life Sciences
> Glasgow Caledonian University
> 
> From:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nott
> ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
> Julian Tenney
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:51 PM
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched
> video and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...
> 
> I’m quite excited about javascript at the moment, because with the new
> ‘site’ template you can write HTML directly into the text elements, to
> create stuff, in this case a button, but it could be a <canvas> and then
> write javascript to do stuff with it (see screenshots)
> 
> So that makes it a very simple template for non-techs to use to build sites
> out of text / images / video / sounds; but also very powerful for
> programmers to do the stuff they want to do. I’m just working on doing
> scripts via src= so you can include cdn libraries, there’s probably tons of
> other ideas around this as well, but I’m quite excited by what it brings.
> 
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> 
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> 
> From:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nott
> ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
> Julian Tenney
> Sent: 21 February 2013 15:33
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched
> video and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...
> 
> I can see it taking on some of the stuff we’d have previously done in flash:
> so, for example, interactive graphs of functions, where you can change the
> parameters using sliders to see the impact on the graph, or other
> interactive elements. We have  quite a few things like that,
> 
> From:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nott
> ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
> Smith, John
> Sent: 21 February 2013 15:07
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched
> video and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...
> 
> createJS is coming along nicely – would love to know what to do with it
> though…
> 
> I suppose we could create a wizard that allowed you to upload a media object
> (picture/audio/video/other), give it a name and then attach a script which
> is sent to the player and processed… that would be neat…
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John Smith
> Learning Technologist
> School of Health & Life Sciences
> Glasgow Caledonian University
> 
> From:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nott
> ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
> Julian Tenney
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:45 PM
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched
> video and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...
> 
> I’ve been thinking about doing some stuff with popcorn as well, the other
> libraries of interest are the createJS set which look quite cool,
> 
> From:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nott
> ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
> Smith, John
> Sent: 21 February 2013 14:44
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: what's the plan re video for pages like synched
> video and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...
> 
> Hi Ron,
> 
> Wasn’t aware of Popcorn before – looks good, will have to give it a try.
> 
> As for the videos, it should be possible to add a check for different video
> types but I’ll wait to catch up with Fay when she returns. Fay shared a page
> with me a while ago that had multiple audio and video formats and there were
> considerable problems getting them to play in all the browsers so maybe that
> has to be explored and we might need to have more than just mp4 and flv
> types, based on the supported browsers list… same goes for audio – we could
> actually build this into the xenith code and detect the browser and try the
> recommended video extensions. There’s no file_exists() command in js though
> so to test for existence would require an ajax request which could delay the
> video appearing…
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John Smith
> Learning Technologist
> School of Health & Life Sciences
> Glasgow Caledonian University
> 
> From:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nott
> ingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
> Ron Mitchell
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:41 PM
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] what's the plan re video for pages like synched video
> and the plain video page? Also Popcorn example...
> 
> Hi all
> a quick question about this... I always advise people to use streaming
> services for video wherever possible and with the HTML 5 playback it's
> obviously much more flexible now regarding what can be used and in which
> page type which is great. However there are some occasions where it's
> justified to upload a small video direct to an LO especially to use the
> synched video page functionality but even just the plain video page too. For
> Flash playback obviously it's still an flv that needs to be uploaded but
> what's the current plan for HTML 5? I know there's been all sorts of
> previous discussion about player licensing and codecs etc but has anything
> been decided?
> 
> Is there perhaps a solution to check for an mp4 in the HTML 5 model with the
> same name as the .flv and if it exists use that instead of the .flv via html
> 5?
> 
> I know Fay isn't around until next week now but posting this now while I
> have time.
> 
> Also perhaps relevant I'm not sure if you've seen or used Popcorn Maker
> https://popcorn.webmaker.org/ but that provides a quick way of adding all
> sorts of synched events to video's and works well via the embed content page
> e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_html5_53
> 
> Cheers
> Ron
> 
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