[Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5

[Julian Tenney]

Troublemaker!

Which link goes into the RSS / Syndicate feed?
This is the most difficult bit I suppose, because you build the links as you build the feed? And youpotentially want both types of content in your feed... hmm.

Do we have two tabs in peer review? One for each version? Or, like play, two peer reviews? 
For new content, work on the html5 version.

If we write an API and ask for a link which link would we return?
The one you ask for.

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy
Sent: 08 April 2013 10:03
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5

Which link goes into the RSS / Syndicate feed?

Do we have two tabs in peer review? One for each version? Or, like play, two peer reviews? 

If we write an API and ask for a link which link would we return?

On 8 Apr 2013, at 09:13, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Keep play_560 doing the flash version, and play_html5.php the new version. Then nothing breaks - I don't see that this needs to get complicated. 
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> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay 
> Cross
> Sent: 04 April 2013 14:06
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5
> 
> I don't have a preference really as long as you can still have a link that will force you to the Flash version if that's what you want.  I think Julian was keen for links out there already to still show the same content though (e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 to still go to the Flash version).  I might be wrong about that though - he's not here this week.
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> John - it's textDrawing, chart, customHotspots and inventory that use the canvas tag so won't always fully work in older browsers.  There's already a fallback in there for if audio/video tags aren't supported - it will use Flash instead.
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> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, 
> John
> Sent: 04 April 2013 13:52
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5
> 
> I know i'm the new guy here but I agree with Pat.
> 
> Most people will expect a considerable change from a major point upgrade and 2.0 was always considered the HTML5 release so i think we should make that the focus and the default...
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> How about a single index.php file with a format parameter. Those still requiring flash can reroute the index and index_html5 to the opposites if required and when we have index.php?format=flash to force flash on if really required.
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> What models only work in flash anyway now, other than the majority of the drawing model?
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> The only other issue is IE6/7/8 fir mainly the audio/video tags but there are some good js libraries that will add in the html5 specific stuff and perhaps we should resort to using those.
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> Regards
> 
> John Smith
> Learning Technologist
> School of Health and Life Sciences
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> "Pat @ Pgogy" <xerte at pgogywebstuff.com> wrote:
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> Two works for play and peer, though someone will need to write peer 
> html5 and so on
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> It won't work for rss, syndicate - and it messes with the API ideas
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> And a lot of other stuff - embed codes, links - will need to be duplicated and the difference explained?
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> On 4 Apr 2013, at 10:05, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
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> Two.  Unless that will cause problems?
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> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] 
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> Sent: 04 April 2013 09:24
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> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML5
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> So are we going with the two urls or the one URL approach?
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> Pgogy Webstuff - 
> http://www.pgogywebstuff.com<http://www.pgogywebstuff.com/>
> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality
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> On 28 Mar 2013, at 15:04, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl<mailto:reijnders at tor.nl>> wrote:
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> Op 28-3-2013 15:37, Julian Tenney schreef:
> 
> Brilliant.
> 
> 
> 1.       Exporting seems to cause people a lot of problems, but I guess they do seem to use it (rightly or wrongly). I’d prefer to have options to export the various types of zip for either html5 or flash, I think. I have no idea how hard this is to do? I’d love to drop this functionality because it just seems to cause a lot of unnecessary problems, I’m not sure people really need to export content as much as they do – but there are some valid reasons to do it, so I suppose we’re stuck with it. Tom adapted the original exporting code, would this be something that is easy for Tom to look at? Or reassure me that I can adapt your code easily to use different paths / folders etc?
> I'll look into this. I need to anyways, because of SCORM.
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> 2.       The play_html5_1234 is a good idea, yes, for consistency. On installs where this works, does the play_html5.php?template_id= work as well?
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> yes the other URL will work as well.
> 
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> 3.       Yes, everything should default to the html5 output. Peer review needs a new URL as well. CTRL-Click can launch the flash version instead from the wizard. I’m not sure we need browser detection: people should use the URL they built it for; however, we should probably put something in place for older browsers to say ‘upgrade your browser’ or similar? I’m guessing the paths are easy to amend in the php?
> 
> What else do we need to look at before we can release this? This morning we tentatively agreed to have it all ready for FRIDAY 26th APRIL. Do we need a list of open issues that need resolving before the release? I’m thinking of the Firefox security thing in particular, though it sounds like you’re getting close John? Also the thing with the buttons staying greyed out that appeared recently? If Tom’s SCORM work isn’t ready by then, I’m not sure it’s a big problem?
> No, I don't think SCORM is a show stopper (but I'll do my utmost!)
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> I’ve made a titanpad here for a list of things to do: http://titanpad.com/xottwopointoh. I want to concentrate on finishing existing work, rather than starting anything new just now, but please add any bugs to it as well, and we’ll fix as many as we can.
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> An aside, is it worth starting to think about when / where we do another AGM? If we do it outside of teaching time, we can do it in rooms here at no cost. Maybe sometime in July?
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> I’m off next week, but will have some time after that to help out with 
> getting this finished, Julian
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> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] 
> On Behalf Of Fay Cross
> Sent: 27 March 2013 17:17
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] HTML5
> 
> Hello all
> 
> As you should know the HTML5 work is nearly complete and there are only a couple of page types for me to complete before we can release a new version of Toolkits with the HTML5 interface as the default view.  I have a few things that I could do with some help on before the release so if anyone can give me a hand with them or just give your opinions it would be much appreciated...
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> 1.       Exporting HTML projects:
> The files that would need to be in the zip would be more or less the same as for the Flash version but using the common_html5 and models_html5 folders instead of common/models.
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> 2.       Abbreviated link:
> Possibly something Ron can help with as I’ve noticed it’s working on his install.  Can abbreviated links be made to work e.g. www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560<http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_html5_560> rather than using the full url?
> 
> (Apologies Pat, I think you partly answered this for me previously but 
> I can’t find it)
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> 3.       Play / Preview links:
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> a.       Links in project properties, preview button in workspace and preview in wizard need to be updated to go to the HTML5 version.
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> b.      In the wizard should Ctrl-Click bring up the Flash version when clicking normally is changed to HTML5?
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> c.       Do you think there needs to be some browser detection that decides which version people see?  The problem I can see with this is that if we start adding new features or pages to the HTML5 version then by sending them to the Flash version instead they may miss out on some content.  Not many of the page types in the HTML5 version actually use HTML5 tags if that makes sense – probably just the handful where the canvas tag is used (textDrawing, charts etc.) so there might not be many instances where there will be problems if you’re on an older browser anyway.
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> 4.       Page models:
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> a.       John – is the flickr page finished?
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> b.      Johnathan – I’ve emailed you off list about a few queries I’ve got with the connector pages, I hope this is ok – I didn’t want to bother everyone else with them
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> c.       SCORM – this isn’t working at the moment but I can’t quite remember what’s missing.  I’ll email with more details of what help I might need when I’ve looked back at it
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> Thanks
> Fay
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