[Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties

Mon Oct 29 15:01:38 GMT 2012

I didn't get that either. Metadata for what? I'll ask them tomorrow.

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 29 October 2012 14:43
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties

Some of those seem a little arbitrary (machine readable metadata? for?)

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> There was some useful (really) work from OSSWatch recently on Rogo
> (another application we develop here) around their openness rating: I
> looked at the things they had used to judge it, and applied them to
> Toolkits, and made a list of things we should do to make our project
> more 'open': the list is below. That includes things like roadmap, some other useful things as well.
> I want to work through this list and address as much of it as
> possible, I think that will drive some content to the community site.
> We already score quite well (about 60), though OSS watch would say we
> should try and score more than 80, and I think in general the things
> they point at are good sensible things we should do. OSSwatch are
> coming here tomorrow, so I'll probably add to this,
>
>
>
>                   Xerte Rogo
>
> Legal             65.52 75
>
> Standards         68    73
>
> Knowledge         46.3  13
>
> Governance        56    16
>
> Market            86.67 38
>
> Openness Rating   59.65 ?
>
> Average           64.5  43
>
>
>
>
>
> Legal
>
> Document project dependencies and audit license compatibility.
>
> Consider and make explicit options for sub-licensing.
>
> Clarify re-distribution of entire project under GPL3
>
> Make licensing explicit. Add license headers to all source files.
>
>
>
> Standards
>
> Minimise reliance on closed proprietary standards. Flash player
>
> Use standards ratified by standards bodies?
>
> Use Project Management methodology, and have regular, predictable releases.
>
> Identify and document a standards policy for the project.
>
>
>
> Knowledge
>
> Documentation: developer, installer, user.
>
> Design documents
>
> Define and Implement QA Process
>
> Project roadmap
>
> Machine readable meta-data?
>
> Project Chat / IRC?
>
> Make all decisions in a public environment
>
> Provide alternative sources of the knowledge / archives / include in
> the SVN
>
>
>
> Governance
>
> Clear Leadership. Define the roles in the project and make them clear.
>
> Make the structure and policies of the project clear: decision making
> process.
>
> Document how to get involved in the project and behavioural guidelines
> for contributors.
>
> Consider elected leadership?
>
> Ensure contributors have rights to contribute.
>
> Consistent, predictable release cycle and development iterations.
>
> Provide translations of all the project documentation
>
> Implement consistent development process, and how to contribute code.
>
>
>
> Market
>
> Increase number of organisations with rights to modify the code.
>
> Increase number of 'paid for' contributors.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
> Lockley
> Sent: 29 October 2012 14:24
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>
>
>
> I propose two wiki pages
>
>
>
> 1 for API
>
> 2 for roadmap
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> Let's use that then. I might need some guidance around the community
>
>> website stuff - I don't know what's there, or where to find it,
>
>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom
>
>> Reijnders
>
>> Sent: 29 October 2012 14:22
>
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>
>>
>
>> Yes
>
>>
>
>> Op 29-10-2012 15:18, Julian Tenney schreef:
>
>>> Is there a wiki?
>
>>>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>
>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>
>>> Lockley
>
>>> Sent: 29 October 2012 14:13
>
>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>
>>>
>
>>> are we allowed to? *semi serious question*
>
>>>
>
>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Julian Tenney
>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>>> OK!
>
>>>>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>
>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>
>>>> Lockley
>
>>>> Sent: 29 October 2012 14:12
>
>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>
>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>
>>>>
>
>>>> or we could use the community website
>
>>>>
>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>> Well, what things would it address: we should make a list
>>>>> somewhere
>
>>>>> (titanpad?)
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>
>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>
>>>>> Lockley
>
>>>>> Sent: 29 October 2012 14:09
>
>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>
>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>> Happy to give it a whirl - could I ask for a roadmap in return :)
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Agree. Tend to think you'd be an excellent person to write it!
>
>>>>>>
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>
>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Pat
>
>>>>>> Lockley
>
>>>>>> Sent: 29 October 2012 13:58
>
>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>
>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>
>>>>>>
>
>>>>>> I think there is a big case for an API to be honest - allows a
>>>>>> lot
>
>>>>>> of stuff to happen
>
>>>>>>
>
>>>>>> but that's just me
>
>>>>>>
>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Yes.
>
>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>> I don't think many people have done anything, but accessing the
>>>>>>> raw data easily is really useful if you want to start messing
>>>>>>> with it, putting into other formats etc, so if it's not on the
>>>>>>> properties tab, as long as it's available (and you can find out
>>>>>>> how to get it) that's OK. I found it very useful to build the mobile stuff we played around with.
>
>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>> So you might have a sequence of API-like calls, i.e.
>
>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>> http://server.com/toolkits/getInfo_1234
>
>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>> //returns info to tell you what you can expect and in what
>>>>>>> format, or what params you can use in your request for the data.
>
>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>> Can XML *always* be output as JSON and vice versa? I suppose you
>
>>>>>>> can always crunch what you get for the format you need, but
>
>>>>>>> better to get what you need straight away,
>
>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>
>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>
>>>>>>> Pat Lockley
>
>>>>>>> Sent: 29 October 2012 13:25
>
>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>
>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>> Also, would JSON export be more useful / as useful as XML export?
>
>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Pat Lockley
>>>>>>> <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> WordPress has a theme supports function, so I am thinking of
>
>>>>>>>> having a list to indicate the tabs per template, or something
>
>>>>>>>> similar
>
>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Ron Mitchell
>>>>>>>> <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>> 1, 2 & 3
>
>>>>>>>>> Personally I don't think it's a necessity that the same tabs
>
>>>>>>>>> exist for all templates but I suspect it's easier to just
>
>>>>>>>>> display a message like 'This property is not relevant to this
>>>>>>>>> template'
>
>>>>>>>>> than it is to change the code to dynamically change tabs based
>>>>>>>>> on the template in use.
>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>> 4
>
>>>>>>>>> Increase the properties window size and display 'This property
>
>>>>>>>>> is not relevant to this template' for Xerte templates?
>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>> Just my quick thoughts...
>
>>>>>>>>> Ron
>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>
>>>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>
>>>>>>>>> Pat Lockley
>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 29 October 2012 12:48
>
>>>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 properties
>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>> On the properties panel there are several options which are
>
>>>>>>>>> sort of xerte specific - XML and media and quota for example.
>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>> Some of the new templates aren't XML, so XML makes no sense -
>
>>>>>>>>> and the media and quota code is very xerte specific.
>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>> Would people think
>
>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>> 1) all off these options should exist for all templates?
>
>>>>>>>>> 2) should tabs exist even if the functionality doesn't?
>
>>>>>>>>> 3) what sort of message should it say
>
>>>>>>>>> 4) what if I have scope for an extra tab?
>
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