[Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties

Smith, John J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk
Fri Nov 2 14:00:20 GMT 2012 

I think we should look at the joomla one and see why we might rule it out and see if those issues can be worked around first.

Will make life easier to have one community site login rather than multiple area all holding different things...

Just my opinion though...

But if its useless and a no go then yes lets get the one that is considered the best by other users. Will Google it...

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:


I don't think we've got any choice but to use one, otherwise it's just going to get too busy here, but would like a good steer on a good one.

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 02 November 2012 13:44
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties

I agree that none are really that great but they do easily allow 'normal' users to report things that they might be put off doing on the development list and also to keep track of who is working on a bug, how long its been open, even how to replicate it all in the one place and also pull a feed of all open bugs into the community so end users can see what problems otherpeople are seeing and can feed back whether its a trunk problem or an individual installation problem.

Needs guidelines though on its use...

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:


I'm happy that we try to use one, but it's going to mean everyone making the effort to use it (habit probably). This is growing pains I think: we've managed until now by just putting them on the list, but it's going to get really hectic if we don't put some order around things, a bit like the roadmap and the process we talked about for moving ideas through the development lifecycle from 'proposed' to 'implemented'.

I never used one. Actually I did use one on a project for a while, Mantis, but it was so awful I never wanted to use another one, and even the project stopped using it after a while and reverted to a spreadsheet,

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 02 November 2012 13:28
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties

Do you do PHP as well then? (if you're a drupal person, and also, if you're a drupal person you have my sympathies)

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
The only one I've really used is the drupal  one. Ok but tied to a drupal system. If community is using joomla then i suspect it will have one. The good thing about this is that you can easily feed info about bugs into the side columns of the pages, which draws attention to them and might make people look into them more, at least once the community site takes off.

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:


Do you use one at the moment? Or have you used one you like?

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties

Perhaps we desperately need a bugtracker too or at least use the google code one for now

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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"Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:


Sure i think that is beneficial given that xenith is still new but might be going through a full overhaul already.

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com<mailto:patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>> wrote:


split the roadmap into two? XOT side and LO side


On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk><mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Thanks Pat

Yeah I've bookmark those 2 links but i was thinking more along a separate one for xenith, since this rework will potentially have a lot of caveats to keep track of.

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com<mailto:patrick.lockley at googlemail.com><mailto:patrick.lockley at googlemail.com<mailto:patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>>> wrote:


definitely

API https://docs.google.com/document/d/19CGU4KE7x-6f3_Gc7SVgvOhnHS2ryAI-PytcNzdnBG0/edit
Roadmap https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xvIPXtLBLhegwI0mo-KH63LxAHvXUAKOcXZusfKNK38/edit

This stuff needs to be agreed so new people can drop in without this


On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk><mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>><mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk><mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>>>> wrote:
Definitely think this is the way to go. Im hoping to get a chance on Sunday to look at it so if you do anything on this today Fay let me know so we don't duplicate anything...

Do we definitely need a Google doc now?

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>>> wrote:


Would it be worth putting together a prototype and making sure we're on the right lines before refactoring what is quite a lot of code?

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Sent: 02 November 2012 10:01
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties

Sorry Fay, I know it's gonna be a lot more work but I think it will make all the difference.

In terms of what Julian says, most of the common stuff (Narration, etc) is in Xenith.js already so I think the models are as lean as they could be, only thing I think we will need in there other than what is already there is some code to manage JSONP requests since these will be the only way to get external data into xenith due to same domain policy. I've already found something that will give us a starting point there also, with some good further reading from Douglas Crockford (and others) who is a well-respected expert in all things javascript. Leave that bit to me though since I'm the main one pushing JSON just now.

http://javascriptweblog.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/json-and-jsonp/

Regards,

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health & Life Sciences
Glasgow Caledonian University

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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:10 AM
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties

I wish I'd done it like this to begin with as I get why it would be better.  Not entirely sure I get how to do it well enough to change stuff quickly though.  I'll spend some time today looking into it and trying stuff out.


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Sent: 02 November 2012 00:08
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties

I've only ever scoped in plugins for mozilla (they care), but anything that modularises makes sense. Scope seems to be part of this (the php needs it too).

I don't have a preferred approach, or a say, as I am not coding this

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk><mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>><mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk><mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>>><mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk><mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>><mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk><mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>>>>> wrote:
Hi,

I'm just reading all these emails properly just now and I agree that something has to be done to protect scope. Fay has done a great job creating xenith and all these models and it's the quality of the codebase, how well the whole thing works and meeting all you guys that has made me want to get involved so heavily. But now i'm begining to see areas which could cause problems with scope. Especially now that I've created a few models that use JSONP requests. These work by Padding JSON objects inside a callback function and loading it straight into a <script> tag in the <head>, so all in global scope, as do all the model declarations...

But while each of the different ways you guys have mentioned of achieving this has their merits, I would definitely recommend that we consider the Yahoo JavaScript Module Pattern. This is used by many experienced JavaScript programmers and gives us private and public variables and methods. I would definitely recommend that any interested in developing the xenith code read a GREAT article about it here http://www.adequatelygood.com/2010/3/JavaScript-Module-Pattern-In-Depth

I think in for Xenith, this module pattern will allow us to do some great things:

Protect xenith variables and methods
Augmentation (Loose or Tight) to split up Xenith for manageability Sub-modules - this is where I see the page models sitting

So we'll have something like

var XENITH = (function (my) {
        // code and stuff here
}(XENITH));

Then the models are added like this

XENITH.summary = (function () {

}());

XENITH.table = (function () {

}());

XENITH.rss = (function () {

}());

etc.

Obviously it will be a lot of work to port Fay's code over and to be perfectly honest with you i've only used this a few times and NEVER on a project of this scale this but I definitely think it will benefit the project to do this early on because as more models are added and multiple pages of the same type are added to projects I anticipate there being conflicts that we might struggle to work around.

What does everyone thing? Have any of you seen this before?

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
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Sent: 31 October 2012 10:14
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties

No I don't mind

(adds another thing to never ending to do list...)

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