[Xerte-dev] Re: Outstanding stuff

[Kemp Johnathan]

I have now added the mapstraction folder to the xerte svn / runtime / pages
folder. There is only a minor difference between the mapstraction.htm file
that I had in my local runtime copy and the one in templates /
pageTemplates and the later looks like an update on the version I had, so I
am confident the version I had locally is out of date.

I have no annoying ! anywhere. So I think all should be well again (with
apologies to Julian of Norwich)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 22 June 2012 17:24, Kemp Johnathan <johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> This is getting stranger.
>
> Having failed to get the model files to upload and lose their ! in the
> /runtime/pages/models/ folder of my svn I finally tried deleting the models
> folder.
>
> I then decided to create a new svn copy. When this completed downloading,
> as I expected there was no longer the models folder in runtime / pages.
>
> However there was also no "thumbs" folder and no "mapstraction" folder.
>
> In my new svn copy I created both a runtime / pages / models / folder and
> a runtime / pages / thumbs / folder. I right clicked on them and did
> tortoise svn / add.
>
> I then exported the thumbs files from my other copy of the svn and then
> the exported files to my new thumbs folder in my new svn. I then added them
> in the same way that I added the folders.
>
> In the same way I exported the model files from the pageWizards / models
> folder of the svn and copied the exported files to the newly created
> runtime / pages / models folder of my new svn copy and then added them.
>
> I them committed them. Everything appears to have been transferred back to
> the svn. The thumbs folder and contents all show green ticks, but the
> models folder and contents now show Blue plus signs.
>
> Then I updated the new svn and all the blue crosses became green ticks, so
> I am guessing all is now well.
>
> But...
>
> What is really puzzling me is how it is that my older copy of the svn
> shows a mapstraction and a thumbs folder with green ticks against them when
> neither of these folders appear to have been present on the master svn when
> I created my second copy.
>
> I still have my older copy of the svn with the mapstraction folder. The
> contents of the mapstraction folder are the same as those in my new svn's
> / templates / pageTemplates / mapstraction / folder, save for some changes
> to mapstraction.htm.
>
> Is it correct that the latest version of mapstraction.htm is in the
> /templates / pageTemplates / mapstraction / folder. If so I will add this
> to the runtime pages folder.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 22 June 2012 15:57, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:
>
>> > I thought the svn data was contained in the .svn folder. Is there also
>> hidden stuff in each file as well?
>>
>> I don’t know, but I know that copying things with simple copy / paste
>> ends up with problems, because the info in the svn folders get’s all
>> screwed up. So I always export anything, add the files as new files and
>> then delete the old files.
>>
>>
>>
>> Try deleting the files, commit, get rid of the errors and get green ticks
>> everywhere again, then export the files you want to copy, and then add them
>> as new files and commit again.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>> *Sent:* 22 June 2012 15:55
>>
>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Outstanding stuff
>>
>>
>>
>> At present the model files that are showing ! against them are copies of
>> the model files in the pageWizards / models section of the svn.
>>
>>
>>
>> I created a folder outside of my copy of the svn and then copied the
>> files from the svn into the folder (without the .svn folder).
>>
>> I then reverted the files in the svn to get back to a point with no !
>>
>> Then I updated to get the latest version and compared the updated files
>> to the copy I had taken. The latest files do not contain the changes I
>> committed. I compared them to my copies using winmerge portable.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I copied and pasted (plain old windows version of copy and paste) my
>> back up copies of the files into the svn and the ! reappeared. Then I tried
>> to commit the changes and a message displayed that there were no changes to
>> commit.
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought the svn data was contained in the .svn folder. Is there also
>> hidden stuff in each file as well?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 June 2012 15:24, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> How about:
>>
>>
>>
>> Open files in question, copy content to notepad and save new isolated
>> file outside svn folders.
>>
>>
>>
>> Revert files until rid of !
>>
>>
>>
>> Update from svn to get latest.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you use UltraEdit instead of NotePad (and everyone should) you can do
>> File Compare to see what's different between latest and isolated versions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:17:56 +0100
>>
>>
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Outstanding stuff
>>
>> Getting a new copy of the svn would fix it, yes, but you’d lose your
>> changes. I’ve found the !s hard to get rid of after some seemingly
>> perfectly legitimate operations have produced them… always try and sort
>> them out before doing anything else, but I’m not deep into Tortoise, so I
>> don’t know how best to approach it,
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>> *Sent:* 22 June 2012 15:15
>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Outstanding stuff
>>
>>
>>
>> I did an update before I made any changes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have run an update after the commit but the ! are still hanging around.
>>
>>
>>
>> According to the svn help the ! means
>>
>>
>>
>> The *Modified* overlay represents the modified state, where you have
>> made local modifications, the merged state, where changes from the
>> repository have been merged with local changes, and the replaced state,
>> where a file has been deleted and replaced by another different file with
>> the same name.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I remember correctly I copied the files from the pageWizards / models
>> folder to the runtime / pages / models folder by highlighting the files in
>> the pageWizards / models folder, right clicking and selecting copy, then
>> right clicking on the destination folder and selecting Tortoise SVN / paste.
>>
>>
>>
>> The tortoise svn help says
>>
>> You can also copy or move versioned files within a working copy, or
>> between two working copies, using the familiar cut-and-paste method. Use
>> the standard Windows Copy or Cut to copy one or more versioned items to the
>> clipboard. If the clipboard contains such versioned items, you can then use
>> TortoiseSVN → Paste (note: not the standard Windows Paste) to copy or move
>> those items to the new working copy location.
>>
>> "Try and get your repo to not show those !s, otherwise you’re gonna get
>> in a mess."
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not sure how to get rid of the ! now. However if there is no problem
>> with the Xerte svn i.e. the source from which I am now updating from and
>> committing too, then I could just scrap my local copy and create a new
>> local copy. Would that not sort it out?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 June 2012 14:10, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Try and get your repo to not show those !s, otherwise you’re gonna get in
>> a mess.
>>
>>
>>
>> Try an update. Remember not to copy files directly within the repo
>> otherwise the links to them the repo manages get copied as well: to
>> duplicate files, export them, then add them as fresh files to the
>> repository (this is important).
>>
>>
>>
>> Always do an update before any commits.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>> *Sent:* 22 June 2012 14:07
>>
>>
>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Outstanding stuff
>>
>>
>>
>> I have now completed the first phase of retiring the pageWizard folder of
>> the xerte svn
>>
>>
>>
>> I have set up the xerte svn / runtime / pages / folder to act as the
>> definitive source for model (.rlm) and wizard (.xwd) files.
>>
>>
>>
>> It should now be possible to duplicate the experience of running an
>> installed version of xerte by running the xerte.exe from the runtime folder.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have not removed anything from the pageWizards folder as I would prefer
>> to wait to do this until Julian and Tom have confirmed that they are happy
>> that all is OK with the changes to the runtime / pages folder.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once I know everyone is happy :-) then I will delete the duplicated
>> folders from the pageWizard section. It would be helpful if this can be
>> confirmed as soon as possible so that we can minimise the time when two
>> sets of duplicated files are available with the potential for confusion
>> this can present.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are a few points to note.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.      Once we move to the new version the svn folder templates /
>> pageTemplates / will become redundant as pageTemplates type projects will
>> be generated from the existing models and wizards folders rather than
>> packaged in an xtp file.
>>
>> 2.      the current versions of template.xml (i.e. in runtime / pages
>> and in templates / pageTemplates ) both contain some page definitions that
>> need removing in order to present the user with an empty project. There is
>> also a reference to language="en-GB" - should this be language="en-gb"?
>>
>> 3.      The current xerte svn / pages / folder contains a folder called
>> "mapstraction" which is not currently contained in the xerte beta.
>>
>> 4.      It appears that the Xerte svn / pageWizards / nl-nl folder is
>> not up to date when compared with the xerte.exe beta set of nl-nl files. So
>> it may be that the nl-nl files are being worked on outside of the
>> repository? So for now I have copied the xwd files from the Xerte beta
>> nl-nl folder into xerte svn / runtime / pages / wizards / nl-nl
>>
>> 5.      My copy of the xerte svn is showing ! marks against the model
>> files in runtime / pages / models / is this indicative of any issue that
>> needs resolving?
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 June 2012 12:03, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure, probably not. It willsee them as new files, and the old files
>> as deleted. I think you can ;’move’ stuff within the repo though – That
>> software is pretty clever, I’d be amazed they hadn’t thought of stuff like
>> this…
>>
>>
>>
>> One thing, as a commiter I’m not sure if you can change the project
>> structure, so let me know if you can’t add / remove folders.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>>
>> *Sent:* 22 June 2012 12:01
>>
>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>>
>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Outstanding stuff
>>
>>
>>
>> OK will do.
>>
>>
>>
>> With respect to how turtle svn works
>>
>>
>>
>> If I create a folder in "en-gb" in Xerte svn / runtime / pages / wizards
>> /
>>
>>
>>
>> and then copy all the contents ( including the .svn folder ) of the
>> xerte svn / runtime / pageWizards / en-GB folder  into the new en-gb folder
>> ,
>>
>>
>>
>> will this preserve the update history of the files now that they are in a
>> new location?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 June 2012 11:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Then go ahead and set up the runtime folder as you need it: it should be
>> an exact copy of the installed folder, so we can easily run the exe and
>> have a developer’s xerte run on your machines for testing etc,
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>>
>> *Sent:* 22 June 2012 11:15
>>
>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>>
>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Outstanding stuff
>>
>>
>>
>> The pages only display once you have created a pages project.
>>
>>
>>
>> A word of warning.
>>
>>
>>
>> You may recall some discussions from a while back regarding the location
>> of the latest rlm and xwd files.
>>
>>
>>
>> The latest files are still in
>>
>>
>>
>> Xerte svn / pageWizards / models
>>
>> Xerte svn / pageWizards / en-GB
>>
>>
>>
>> The beta release of Xerte has the following folder structure
>>
>>
>>
>> Xerte / pages / models
>>
>> Xerte / pages / wizards / en-gb
>>
>>
>>
>> The runtime folder has the structure
>>
>>
>>
>> Xerte svn / runtime / pages / models
>>
>> Xerte svn / runtime / wizards / en
>>
>>
>>
>> This means that if you try running xerte.exe from the runtime folder that
>> at present you are likely to hit two problems
>>
>> 1.      The folder structure for locating the wizards does not match the
>> release version expectations
>>
>> 2.      Many of the model and xwd files are not the latest version.
>>
>> I think that the sooner we can have the runtime section set up to mirror
>> the release version, with the same folder structure and the most recent set
>> of files the better.
>>
>>
>>
>> During the development I believe Tom has preferred to work in the
>> pageWizards section and I have carried out my development work in that
>> section. IMHO as we now move towards releasing the next version part of the
>> tidying up process must be to retire the pageWizards section and to have
>> the runtime section as the definitive source of all files.
>>
>>
>>
>> It was always my intention, when I set up the pageWizards folder in the
>> svn that this would be temporary.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't mind carrying out the tidy up, but have not done so because I
>> don't want to lose any versioning history or to cause any confusion whilst
>> development is still taking place.
>>
>>
>>
>> " We need some documentation here."
>>
>>
>>
>> I have put some documentation together for the new page types that I have
>> been responsible for.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can put together a brief explanation about how to create a pages
>> project, unless you prefer to include this in the help file.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 June 2012 08:57, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Silly question time: when I run xerte from /runtime/Xerte.exe, why don’t
>> I see all the pages on the menu?
>>
>>
>>
>> Do I need to create a pages project before I can see them / add one ?
>>
>>
>>
>> We need some documentation here.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
>>
>> *Sent:* 21 June 2012 17:50
>>
>> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>
>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Outstanding stuff
>>
>>
>>
>> >It appears that for some reason once you open a page form and do View /
>> Preview and then close the form, the View / Preview menu option stops
>> working - no idea why.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps some code that prevents spawning of multiple preview windows not
>> being initialized?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have code at the top of some pages that says "if you've already run
>> this logic (duplicate some pages) don't do it again".
>>
>> I trip myself up occasionally when I place other code *that I do want
>> executed each time* inside that condition.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, what condition(s) must hold in order for View/Preview to function?
>>
>> Can we display the state of those conditions while we run through
>> multiple View/Preview cycles?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:31:01 +0100
>>
>> From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com
>>
>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Outstanding stuff
>>
>> I have taken a copy of the wizard.swf file from the xerte svn
>> runtime/tools folder and swapped it into my xerte installation and the
>> problem does not appear to be fixed.
>>
>>
>>
>> However the problem is a little more subtle than I first realised.
>>
>>
>>
>> Open Xerte
>>
>> Open a pages project (I used one with a plain text page that had been
>> added to the default project)
>>
>> Open the wizard for the plain text page
>>
>> In the wizard form for the page do View / Preview (result - the preview
>> works)
>>
>> Close the preview.
>>
>> Do View Preview in the page wizard form (again preview works)
>>
>> Close the page wizard form.
>>
>> Open the page wizard form once more.
>>
>> Do View Preview in the page wizard form (preview fails to take place)
>>
>> Use the forms play button instead and preview will work.
>>
>>
>>
>> It appears that for some reason once you open a page form and do View /
>> Preview and then close the form, the View / Preview menu option stops
>> working - no idea why.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 June 2012 14:45, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> It’s in the wizard, towwards the bottom of the code, search for
>> ‘viewMenu’, I think that’ll drop you right in…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>>
>> *Sent:* 21 June 2012 14:28
>>
>> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>>
>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Outstanding stuff
>>
>>
>>
>> Re: the preview link
>>
>>
>>
>> Which file would this relate to editor.swf?
>>
>>
>>
>> I found the fault in the beta release I downloaded from Tom's site.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you confirm which file this code is in I will substitute the latest
>> version from the svn in my Xerte install and then test again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 June 2012 10:34, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I know we are waiting on some final finishing off, : I just looked at the
>> spreadsheet: re issue 4, the icons for the new pages wizards in the editor:
>> I put those symbols in the editor library so it might just need rebuilding?
>>
>>
>>
>> Re: the preview link not working from the menu: I can’t see anything
>> wrong with this???
>>
>>
>>
>> viewMenuListener.change = function(obj) {
>>
>>        if (obj.menuItem.attributes.label ==
>> languageData.viewmenu[0].menuPreview) {
>>
>>               preview();
>>
>>        }
>>
>> }
>>
>>
>>
>> So not sure if this I still an issue?
>>
>>
>>
>> Last few things – let’s get this finished now,
>>
>>
>>
>> J
>>
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