[Xerte-dev] Re: Back / Next Functionlaity

Tue Jul 31 17:12:08 BST 2012

> I am just suggesting that any further changes to the Connector pages can be deferred until October.
OK.

> I am not currently convinced that there is a consensus formed
We need this. I thought we had it: linear navigation.

> setNavigationStyle()
It's there if you want it. Maybe for a custom interface.

>try out the Connector pages
This is what testing means. We should all be doing this.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 31 July 2012 15:53
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Back / Next Functionlaity

I am not suggesting we delay the launch of Xerte till October. Personally the sooner Xerte can launch the better, it has already consumed far more of my time than I anticipated it would.

I believe the Connector pages will prove useful in their current state and with the current navigation options (both with respect to settings in the Connector pages and with respect to the current lack of historic backward navigation).

I am just suggesting that any further changes to the Connector pages can be deferred until October.

I have modified the connector pages to make them more XOT friendly. Now Ron's preferences are to effectively undo that again. I want to make the Connector pages meet people's needs. I am not currently convinced that there is a consensus formed as to how that can best be achieved.

There are also a number of opportunities for making use of the setNavigationStyle() method, but again if there is a clear consensus on how (or if) that should be used, I don't feel that I understand from the communications thus far what that is.

I think that we will end up with a clearer understanding of the issues and arrive at the best solution to those issues if people have had a chance to try out the Connector pages for themselves and can then talk things through. The October meet offers a unique opportunity to involve both the Developer and Authoring community.

If this is unacceptable then yes I can start making whatever changes you want, but they may not be completed until sometime week commencing 20th August. I will be away for a while and then I have a court case to prepare for.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 31 July 2012 15:26, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>So a delay until October...
What? You have got to be kidding.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 31 July 2012 15:14

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Back / Next Functionlaity

Adding the additional navigation options depends on a couple of issues
1.      When the release is going to take place. I am going to have very little time this week to implement the changes and no time at all next week.
2.      I don't want to make changes until I feel they have a general consensus behind them. I have already removed the ability to set individual navigation buttons, which was part of the original functionality, in order to make the pages more XOT friendly. To simply replace the functionality now would be to ignore the merit of the discussions that lead to the simplification of the options. Which is why I suggested deferring any further developments until the pages have had a little exposure and we can sit round a table and discuss the various issues the connector pages raise.
Unless things have changed as a result of the language developments, it is my understanding that changes to the model and xwd files would automatically pass through to existing XOT projects. So a delay until October should not prevent anyone developing in the meantime. Any changes would be fully backward compatible.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 31 July 2012 15:03, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:
Sounds like a good idea!

But could the "Back, Next and TOC", "Back and Next only", "Back only", "Next only" options still be added before the meeting - indeed before release? If not so be it but my point and reasons for those option are valid for my planned usage regardless of the history setting.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 31 July 2012 14:46

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Back / Next Functionlaity

>How many times do I have to make this point.
BUTTONS DO NOT CHANGE THEIR FUNCTION.

>OK, I'm going to put the navigation back to linear in all situations. I'm going to leave the rootIcon.setNavigationStyle() method so you can switch it if you want,.

I am not trying to be pedantic.
I am trying to ensure we are all sharing a common understanding and at the moment I am confused.

If I use the setNavigationStyle() method then the back button will change its functioning. So is that OK because it is still a back button. Or is that unacceptable because buttons don't change their function?.

Can I make a suggestion?

It will be relatively easy at a later date to add additional exit navigation button setting options to the connector pages xwd and model files. I have in an earlier post discussed a workaround that can be used to get the best out of the Connector pages with purely linear navigation. So how about we leave things as they are for now and then discuss this at the forthcoming Xerte meet in October?

This will avoid any further delays in the Xerte release, allow a little time for people to try out the Connector pages and give both the Authoring and Developer communities an opportunity to engage with the discussion.

All in favour ?

Johnathan

On 31 July 2012 12:37, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Personally I think it should be set at the learning object level so that navigation remains consistent throughout the project. Wouldn't that lead to the confusion and inconsistency Julian is trying to avoid? I would only see this being needed if a connector is used within the project and only then if required for a specific purpose e.g. to go back to the connector rather than linear back. (Also see response to 3 below)

How many times do I have to make this point.
BUTTONS DO NOT CHANGE THEIR FUNCTION.

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