[Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

Thu Jul 5 11:52:00 BST 2012

> off - topic if you've not seen the Google Analytics event stuff it is an utter bonaza in OER reuse stats.
I'd gathered that, but not looked into the specifics, but if I'm right you can define events, and have data tracked when those events occur?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 05 July 2012 11:44
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

Longtail has support for plugins, so we can add a google analytics events plugin to record when the media is played / how much is played - this was for the OER project where that kind of stuff matters.

I found mediaelements a bit buggy at times. odd things used to happen with the volume controls. Mediaelements has some GA support, but I could never make it work properly.

Videojs seemed a bit faffy to install, so I fell back on longtail.

We could have used the free longtail anyways - and I would have - but the GA stuff was a massive plus.

off - topic if you've not seen the Google Analytics event stuff it is an utter bonaza in OER reuse stats.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Why did you choose JW over those two?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 05 July 2012 11:20

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

http://videojs.com/
http://mediaelementjs.com/

are the two that aren't longtail
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
What alternatives are there in terms of free and open players?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 05 July 2012 08:27
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

Thanks for the info Johnathan.  I realised there might still be some problems with distributing it but initially I hadn't realised there was a creative commons version at all.  I was going to ask someone who knew more about it than I do! What do you think about including something like this Julian?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 05 July 2012 07:20
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

"just looked again and realised there is an open source version I overlooked"

Open Source does not always mean free of cost or free from restriction on use.

The Open Source JW FLV Player can be downloaded from

http://www.longtailvideo.com/players/jw-flv-player

However by downloading the player you are committing to the non-commercial licence which includes the text

"Noncommercial - You may not use this work for commercial purposes."

I am no legal expert but I think that the following would probably apply:
1.      Including the player in Xerte or XOT would not be in breach of the licence as long as the attribution terms of the licence were met.
2.      Any user of Xerte or XOT who used the JW FLV Player in their learning object would have to buy a commercial licence if for example they charged fees for the education they provided.

However it might be possible to get a waiver of some of the terms of the licence from the copyright holder. This may be what moodle did. It is some time since I looked "under the bonnet" at moodle but they used to supply an early version of the JW FLV Player as part of the Moodle install.

There is a link to the licence details from the above mentioned url.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 4 July 2012 10:18, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
I looked at different video players a while ago but was sure we'd have to pay for JW Player so thought it would be problematic to include in Toolkits - just looked again and realised there is an open source version I overlooked.  At the moment I am using the video/audio tags and had made a custom control bar for it so it looked more consistent across browsers.  The controls are a bit temperamental though so I needed to do some more work on this. Will try out JW Player properly now as this could be a much simpler (and better) option.

Thanks

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 03 July 2012 14:07

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

JW Player would probably be the prime candidate, yes. Sally has been using it, having reviewed pretty much everything else out there, and it does one very good thing in that we can encode to H.264 and it will play it natively if the browser supports, else failover to the JW Flash player to play it if not. Sally, again, after a lot of research reports that that combination covers 'enough' of the situations... and it will also cope with the existing flv content, and the failover will work for mp3 too.

I'd been perplexed about how we could handle just native html5 without having to have the user upload lots of different formats, which didn't seem ideal.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 03 July 2012 10:20
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

For the GW project at Oxford we used longtail - mostly because you can add google analytics events trackers (and it has JS which does the whole HTML 5 thing for you)
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Not sure, Fay will have better idea: she'll be in tomorrow, I think up till now it's been the native html tags,

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 03 July 2012 10:18

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

Have you chosen a video player? Or are people bolting their own ones in?
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Aiming at <audio> and <video> but we're going to have to fall back to flash on some browsers.

Canvas where it's relevant to templates, then why not? Likewise SVG, but they don't need to figure in the interface and core stuff.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 03 July 2012 10:13

To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

Random question

by HTML 5 are we meaning HTML (plus video and audio)

or are we doing the whole Canvas / SVG craziness as well?

If we do SVG then a lot of stuff becomes kinda fun.......
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Bear in mind we'll be showing the Xenith stuff at ALT-C in September.

BTW, I am getting a lot of ad-hoc 'when will Xerte do HTML5' queries, people are really chomping at the bit for his,

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 03 July 2012 09:04
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

likewise Nottingham and 2 days fine with me but good to confirm the dates asap.

Suffice to say it's important to get the objectives and target audience right. My hunch is the day or perhaps half-day public session might be better on a completely separate date with some time between. e.g. either before as Thomas suggests or possibly after so that there's time for changes before the public session.

Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Thomas Rochford
Sent: 02 July 2012 23:57
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

Nottingham is fine with me and some weekday time between September 17th and October 19th sounds ideal.

One thought ....

It may be better to hold the 'public' session at the start rather than at the end, because that will give the development team a chance to reflect on any issues that have been raised by the stakeholders. Presumably too we can 'broadcast' it, possibly using the new Janet VideoConferencing application, Visimeet from http://www.IOCOM.com , which is VERY good.

Kindest Regards,
Thomas
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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 02 July 2012 16:27
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

OK. The Xenith project is funded until Oct 19th. I can see good reasons to do this before the time runs out, because we'd be able to count this as part of the project (which is likely to have some budget left, although not much, before you get all excited) and point to all the good outcomes that result from our meeting(!); similarly I can see good reasons to wait until afterwards. What do you guys think? If we did it before Oct 19th, it would have to be sometime after September 17th .

Also, what about a venue? Happy to host it here again. Two days felt about the right length of time last time,

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk]<mailto:[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk]> On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 July 2012 16:20
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

I have no dates yet.

My wife cannot fly for medical reasons at present, so we are tending to wait in the hope that things will clear up for her soon (its been six months so far but you never know your luck).

We had planned to get away some time in early September, but if you publish dates before we book anything then I will work around them, so that I can join you all.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 July 2012 16:13, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
When are your hols?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 02 July 2012 16:13

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

I would be interested in attending as well, if I am not on holiday at the time.

Tom's idea of a post project review is a good one, it might also be useful to consider any particular aspects of the development project that worked particularly well and that we might want to build on as well as any possible areas for improvement.

With respect to future developments I am particularly interested in how html5 and a page development environment are brought together.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 July 2012 13:56, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl<mailto:reijnders at tor.nl>> wrote:
If our schedule permits, we'll be there too. I like having vacations...

Would be good to do a (short) postmortem of the things we accomplished/didn't accomplish after the meeting of last year as well....

:-)

Tom and Inge

Op 2-7-2012 14:16, Pat Lockley schreef:

Me and the kitten are disappointed

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com<mailto:d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>> wrote:
My only request - no keynotes.
Not even yours?
Especially.

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