[Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

[Pat Lockley]

http://videojs.com/
http://mediaelementjs.com/

are the two that aren't longtail

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Julian Tenney <
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> What alternatives are there in terms of free and open players?****
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Fay Cross
> *Sent:* 05 July 2012 08:27
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version****
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> Thanks for the info Johnathan.  I realised there might still be some
> problems with distributing it but initially I hadn’t realised there was a
> creative commons version at all.  I was going to ask someone who knew more
> about it than I do! What do you think about including something like this
> Julian?****
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 05 July 2012 07:20
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version****
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> "just looked again and realised there is an open source version I
> overlooked" ****
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> Open Source does not always mean free of cost or free from restriction on
> use.****
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> The Open Source JW FLV Player can be downloaded from****
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> http://www.longtailvideo.com/players/jw-flv-player****
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> However by downloading the player you are committing to the non-commercial
> licence which includes the text****
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> "Noncommercial — You may not use this work for commercial purposes."****
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> I am no legal expert but I think that the following would probably apply:*
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> **1.      **Including the player in Xerte or XOT would not be in breach
> of the licence as long as the attribution terms of the licence were met.**
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> **2.      **Any user of Xerte or XOT who used the JW FLV Player in their
> learning object would have to buy a commercial licence if for example they
> charged fees for the education they provided. ****
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> However it might be possible to get a waiver of some of the terms of the
> licence from the copyright holder. This may be what moodle did. It is some
> time since I looked "under the bonnet" at moodle but they used to supply an
> early version of the JW FLV Player as part of the Moodle install.****
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> There is a link to the licence details from the above mentioned url.****
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> Kind regards****
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> Johnathan****
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> On 4 July 2012 10:18, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
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> I looked at different video players a while ago but was sure we’d have to
> pay for JW Player so thought it would be problematic to include in Toolkits
> – just looked again and realised there is an open source version I
> overlooked.  At the moment I am using the video/audio tags and had made a
> custom control bar for it so it looked more consistent across browsers.
> The controls are a bit temperamental though so I needed to do some more
> work on this. Will try out JW Player properly now as this could be a much
> simpler (and better) option.****
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> Thanks****
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 03 July 2012 14:07****
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> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version****
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> JW Player would probably be the prime candidate, yes. Sally has been using
> it, having reviewed pretty much everything else out there, and it does one
> very good thing in that we can encode to H.264 and it will play it natively
> if the browser supports, else failover to the JW Flash player to play it if
> not. Sally, again, after a lot of research reports that that combination
> covers ‘enough’ of the situations… and it will also cope with the existing
> flv content, and the failover will work for mp3 too.****
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> I’d been perplexed about how we could handle just native html5 without
> having to have the user upload lots of different formats, which didn’t seem
> ideal.****
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 03 July 2012 10:20
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version****
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> For the GW project at Oxford we used longtail - mostly because you can add
> google analytics events trackers (and it has JS which does the whole HTML 5
> thing for you)****
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> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
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> Not sure, Fay will have better idea: she’ll be in tomorrow, I think up
> till now it’s been the native html tags,****
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 03 July 2012 10:18****
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> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version****
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> Have you chosen a video player? Or are people bolting their own ones in?**
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> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
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> Aiming at <audio> and <video> but we’re going to have to fall back to
> flash on some browsers.****
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> Canvas where it’s relevant to templates, then why not? Likewise SVG, but
> they don’t need to figure in the interface and core stuff.****
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 03 July 2012 10:13****
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> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version****
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> Random question****
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> by HTML 5 are we meaning HTML (plus video and audio)****
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> or are we doing the whole Canvas / SVG craziness as well?****
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> If we do SVG then a lot of stuff becomes kinda fun.......****
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> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:****
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> Bear in mind we’ll be showing the Xenith stuff at ALT-C in September.****
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> BTW, I am getting a lot of ad-hoc ‘when will Xerte do HTML5’ queries,
> people are really chomping at the bit for his,****
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 03 July 2012 09:04
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version****
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> likewise Nottingham and 2 days fine with me but good to confirm the dates
> asap.****
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> Suffice to say it's important to get the objectives and target audience
> right. My hunch is the day or perhaps half-day public session might be
> better on a completely separate date with some time between. e.g. either
> before as Thomas suggests or possibly after so that there's time for
> changes before the public session.****
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> Ron****
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Rochford
> *Sent:* 02 July 2012 23:57
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version****
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> Nottingham is fine with me and some weekday time between September 17thand October 19
> th sounds ideal.****
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> One thought ….****
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> It may be better to hold the ‘public’ session at the start rather than at
> the end, because that will give the development team a chance to reflect on
> any issues that have been raised by the stakeholders. Presumably too we can
> ‘broadcast’ it, possibly using the new Janet VideoConferencing application,
> Visimeet from http://www.IOCOM.com , which is VERY good. ****
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> Kindest Regards,****
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> Thomas****
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 02 July 2012 16:27
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version****
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> OK. The Xenith project is funded until Oct 19th. I can see good reasons
> to do this before the time runs out, because we’d be able to count this as
> part of the project (which is likely to have some budget left, although not
> much, before you get all excited) and point to all the good outcomes that
> result from our meeting(!); similarly I can see good reasons to wait until
> afterwards. What do you guys think? If we did it before Oct 19th, it
> would have to be sometime after September 17th .****
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> Also, what about a venue? Happy to host it here again. Two days felt about
> the right length of time last time, ****
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp
> Johnathan
> *Sent:* 02 July 2012 16:20
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version****
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> I have no dates yet. ****
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> My wife cannot fly for medical reasons at present, so we are tending to
> wait in the hope that things will clear up for her soon (its been six
> months so far but you never know your luck).****
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> We had planned to get away some time in early September, but if you
> publish dates before we book anything then I will work around them, so that
> I can join you all.****
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> Kind regards****
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> Johnathan****
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> On 2 July 2012 16:13, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:****
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> When are your hols?****
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 02 July 2012 16:13****
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> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version****
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> I would be interested in attending as well, if I am not on holiday at the
> time.****
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> Tom's idea of a post project review is a good one, it might also be useful
> to consider any particular aspects of the development project that worked
> particularly well and that we might want to build on as well as any
> possible areas for improvement.****
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> With respect to future developments I am particularly interested in how
> html5 and a page development environment are brought together.****
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> Kind regards****
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> Johnathan****
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> On 2 July 2012 13:56, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl> wrote:****
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> If our schedule permits, we'll be there too. I like having vacations...
>
> Would be good to do a (short) postmortem of the things we
> accomplished/didn't accomplish after the meeting of last year as well....
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> :-)
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> Tom and Inge
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> Op 2-7-2012 14:16, Pat Lockley schreef:****
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> Me and the kitten are disappointed
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> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>
> wrote:****
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> My only request - no keynotes.****
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> Not even yours?****
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> Especially.
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