[Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version

Thu Jul 5 07:20:23 BST 2012

 "just looked again and realised there is an open source version I
overlooked"

Open Source does not always mean free of cost or free from restriction on
use.

The Open Source JW FLV Player can be downloaded from

http://www.longtailvideo.com/players/jw-flv-player

However by downloading the player you are committing to the non-commercial
licence which includes the text

"Noncommercial — You may not use this work for commercial purposes."

I am no legal expert but I think that the following would probably apply:

   1. Including the player in Xerte or XOT would not be in breach of the
   licence as long as the attribution terms of the licence were met.
   2. Any user of Xerte or XOT who used the JW FLV Player in their learning
   object would have to buy a commercial licence if for example they charged
   fees for the education they provided.

However it might be possible to get a waiver of some of the terms of the
licence from the copyright holder. This may be what moodle did. It is some
time since I looked "under the bonnet" at moodle but they used to supply an
early version of the JW FLV Player as part of the Moodle install.

There is a link to the licence details from the above mentioned url.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 4 July 2012 10:18, Fay Cross <Fay.Cross at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> I looked at different video players a while ago but was sure we’d have to
> pay for JW Player so thought it would be problematic to include in Toolkits
> – just looked again and realised there is an open source version I
> overlooked.  At the moment I am using the video/audio tags and had made a
> custom control bar for it so it looked more consistent across browsers.
> The controls are a bit temperamental though so I needed to do some more
> work on this. Will try out JW Player properly now as this could be a much
> simpler (and better) option.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 03 July 2012 14:07
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version
>
>
>
> JW Player would probably be the prime candidate, yes. Sally has been using
> it, having reviewed pretty much everything else out there, and it does one
> very good thing in that we can encode to H.264 and it will play it natively
> if the browser supports, else failover to the JW Flash player to play it if
> not. Sally, again, after a lot of research reports that that combination
> covers ‘enough’ of the situations… and it will also cope with the existing
> flv content, and the failover will work for mp3 too.
>
>
>
> I’d been perplexed about how we could handle just native html5 without
> having to have the user upload lots of different formats, which didn’t seem
> ideal.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 03 July 2012 10:20
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version
>
>
>
> For the GW project at Oxford we used longtail - mostly because you can add
> google analytics events trackers (and it has JS which does the whole HTML 5
> thing for you)
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Not sure, Fay will have better idea: she’ll be in tomorrow, I think up
> till now it’s been the native html tags,
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 03 July 2012 10:18
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version
>
>
>
> Have you chosen a video player? Or are people bolting their own ones in?
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Aiming at <audio> and <video> but we’re going to have to fall back to
> flash on some browsers.
>
>
>
> Canvas where it’s relevant to templates, then why not? Likewise SVG, but
> they don’t need to figure in the interface and core stuff.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat Lockley
> *Sent:* 03 July 2012 10:13
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version
>
>
>
> Random question
>
>
>
> by HTML 5 are we meaning HTML (plus video and audio)
>
>
>
> or are we doing the whole Canvas / SVG craziness as well?
>
>
>
> If we do SVG then a lot of stuff becomes kinda fun.......
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Bear in mind we’ll be showing the Xenith stuff at ALT-C in September.
>
>
>
> BTW, I am getting a lot of ad-hoc ‘when will Xerte do HTML5’ queries,
> people are really chomping at the bit for his,
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 03 July 2012 09:04
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version
>
>
>
> likewise Nottingham and 2 days fine with me but good to confirm the dates
> asap.
>
>
>
> Suffice to say it's important to get the objectives and target audience
> right. My hunch is the day or perhaps half-day public session might be
> better on a completely separate date with some time between. e.g. either
> before as Thomas suggests or possibly after so that there's time for
> changes before the public session.
>
>
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Rochford
> *Sent:* 02 July 2012 23:57
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers'
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version
>
>
>
> Nottingham is fine with me and some weekday time between September 17thand October 19
> th sounds ideal.
>
>
>
> One thought ….
>
>
>
> It may be better to hold the ‘public’ session at the start rather than at
> the end, because that will give the development team a chance to reflect on
> any issues that have been raised by the stakeholders. Presumably too we can
> ‘broadcast’ it, possibly using the new Janet VideoConferencing application,
> Visimeet from http://www.IOCOM.com , which is VERY good.
>
>
>
> Kindest Regards,
>
> Thomas
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 02 July 2012 16:27
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version
>
>
>
> OK. The Xenith project is funded until Oct 19th. I can see good reasons
> to do this before the time runs out, because we’d be able to count this as
> part of the project (which is likely to have some budget left, although not
> much, before you get all excited) and point to all the good outcomes that
> result from our meeting(!); similarly I can see good reasons to wait until
> afterwards. What do you guys think? If we did it before Oct 19th, it
> would have to be sometime after September 17th .
>
>
>
> Also, what about a venue? Happy to host it here again. Two days felt about
> the right length of time last time,
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp
> Johnathan
> *Sent:* 02 July 2012 16:20
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version
>
>
>
> I have no dates yet.
>
>
>
> My wife cannot fly for medical reasons at present, so we are tending to
> wait in the hope that things will clear up for her soon (its been six
> months so far but you never know your luck).
>
>
>
> We had planned to get away some time in early September, but if you
> publish dates before we book anything then I will work around them, so that
> I can join you all.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 2 July 2012 16:13, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> When are your hols?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 02 July 2012 16:13
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: HTML 5 version
>
>
>
> I would be interested in attending as well, if I am not on holiday at the
> time.
>
>
>
> Tom's idea of a post project review is a good one, it might also be useful
> to consider any particular aspects of the development project that worked
> particularly well and that we might want to build on as well as any
> possible areas for improvement.
>
>
>
> With respect to future developments I am particularly interested in how
> html5 and a page development environment are brought together.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 2 July 2012 13:56, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl> wrote:
>
> If our schedule permits, we'll be there too. I like having vacations...
>
> Would be good to do a (short) postmortem of the things we
> accomplished/didn't accomplish after the meeting of last year as well....
>
> :-)
>
> Tom and Inge
>
> Op 2-7-2012 14:16, Pat Lockley schreef:
>
>
>
> Me and the kitten are disappointed
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> My only request - no keynotes.
>
> Not even yours?
>
> Especially.
>
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