[Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

Wed Feb 29 20:44:16 GMT 2012

>
also, the endless 'Authorware is Dead' threads from its users eventually contributed to its demise, IMHO. 
Ouch. That stung. :-)
Not a "Xerte is dead" thread.I'm not clinging to Xerte as2 or 3 or XOT or desktop and saying "Freeze!". I know it has to change and that it will change for the better.
I'm saying (from experience) that people get pissed if they feel they were misled.That's all.The Xerte 3 thing is a minor example.What, no upgrade path 2>3? WTF?

From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:33:48 +0000
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

also, the endless 'Authorware is Dead' threads from its users eventually contributed to its demise, IMHO.

Bear in mind we've already been delivering to a defunct runtime for about four years. There is no AS2 future for flash, and hasn't been since about 2006. Everything is about AS3 for Flash. Every new release of the flash player I dread
 that something crucial in the AVM1 will just stop working, and we'll be up the swannee.

The thing to remember is where the traction is: the thousands (and there really are thousands) of users that use Xerte Online Toolkits and want to just wash and go. That's where we've got the momentum. So far, the iOS thing isn't a
 major issue for them, but it's going to become one, and they will need a solution. These users are not developers, and their needs are paramount in my mind.

Also, the way to avoid this happening again is to really embrace open standards. I've always resisted the open standards zealots a bit because, frankly, they've been rubbish at doing what I needed to do - rich, interactive stuff - and develop once, deliver
 to any browser. But that is changing.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett [d_b_burnett at hotmail.com]

Sent: 29 February 2012 20:22

To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

I agree Pat, but that's not my point.

"make it clear that XOT as it will be at release of 1.8 won't die or cease to be of use"

Well, Authorware as it was at version 7 didn't die or cease to be of use. (I'm making an AW widget as we speak).
But I wouldn't counsel any clients to use Authorware.

> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:12:46 +0000

> From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com

> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

> 

> every piece of software risks becoming obsolete, so it's important to advance.

> 

> if people want to stay as they are, that's fine.

> 

> Moving house is never easy.

> 

> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > On the other hand, the obvious impetus to this direction is the question of

> > Flash's future viability.

> >

> > When I had this knowledge regarding Authorware, I couldn't professionally

> > advise a client to embark on a major development with a tool nearing it's

> > best by date.

> > And I loved Authorware dearly...

> >

> >

> >> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk

> >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> >> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:26:49 +0000

> >

> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

> >>

> >> I'm keen to help test especially XOT but I won't be able to do much after

> >> Friday 23rd so the planned schedule sounds good to me.

> >>

> >> The only thing I would say is that I think the communication about the

> >> line

> >> in the sand could easily be misinterpreted. I think it's fine to say that

> >> once the html5 development starts the focus will be on whatever is in 560

> >> at

> >> the time but I'm not sure that has to mean there's no further additions or

> >> improvements to the Flash version. Likewise I'd resist saying that

> >> eventually the html5 version will handle every page type in the build and

> >> also make it clear that XOT as it will be at release of 1.8 won't die or

> >> cease to be of use just because of the development of a html5 version.

> >>

> >> Thomas - I would tread carefully when mentioning any of this - we both

> >> know

> >> some will focus on what they perceive as negatives and potentially create

> >> barriers that don't exist.

> >>

> >> Ron

> >>

> >> -----Original Message-----

> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley

> >> Sent: 29 February 2012 17:59

> >> To: thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk; For Xerte technical developers

> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

> >>

> >> it's be nice to have a roadmap, or an interested parties something

> >>

> >> a WP Blog with buddypress?

> >>

> >> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Rochford

> >> <thomas.rochford at jiscadvance.ac.uk> wrote:

> >> > Hi Everyone,

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > I hope it’s alright to let users know about the proposed roadmap. I

> >> > will probably need to give some re-assurance about any conversion of

> >> > existing models and any modifications to the database, authentication

> >> > interfaces, etc. or am I just imagining dragons lurking in the caves?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Kindest regards, Thomas.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> >> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp

> >> > Johnathan

> >> > Sent: 29 February 2012 16:21

> >> > To: For Xerte technical developers

> >> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Next Release

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > As far as the model and xwd files are concerned the work on

> >> > internationalisation will be done. Not sure if there will be any

> >> > translations of the xwd files other than English at this point, but

> >> > the work will have been done to expose all the display text in the xwd

> >> files.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Kind regards

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Johnathan

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On 29 February 2012 15:44, Pat Lockley

> >> > <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>

> >> > wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Are we talking 1.8 (with the internationalisation)? Or 1.7 neatening up?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Julian Tenney

> >> > <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> >> >> Hi,

> >> >>

> >> >> I'd really like to get the next version done for 30th March, so I

> >> >> reckon that gives a little bit of time to add any new bits and

> >> >> pieces, and then, from Monday 5th March we concentrate on testing

> >> >> what's there and putting that straight. The testing needs to complete

> >> >> by around 23rd (or more or

> >> >> less) so we can start thinking about making the builds etc.

> >> >>

> >> >> Is that OK with everyone?

> >> >>

> >> >> As a heads up, after that we are going to be looking at developing

> >> >> the

> >> >> html5 runtime, for the next six months at least. We need to think

> >> >> hard about how to best manage any new functionality to the existing

> >> >> system whilst we develop that. I would like to put a line in the sand

> >> >> that says after this build, play_560 will have an example of every

> >> >> page template in it (this will be my contribution to the testing),

> >> >> and the html5 runtime will (eventually) handle every page type in the

> >> >> build. What's going to be hard is having people adding new templates

> >> >> whilst we try and replicate the functionality in the new stuff.

> >> >>

> >> >> In the long term, we also need to give some more serious thought to

> >> >> the implications of where we are going, because at some point, the

> >> >> HTML5 runtime will become the primary delivery system, and we have to

> >> >> look to a future where xerte is not part of the toolkits ecosystem at

> >> >> all. Finger in the air, I'd say that's 18 months - 2 years away, but

> >> maybe less.

> >> >>

> >> >> Once we get stuck into the new HTML5 stuff, we won't be looking to

> >> >> spend any time on the existing interface, accessibility, etc, but

> >> >> will deal with it all 'on the other side' as it were. After April I

> >> >> won't be looking to increase the number of templates in the main

> >> distribution.

> >> >>

> >> >> One of the biggest challenges of all this is to come up with some

> >> >> sensible framework for the javascript / css etc that will make it

> >> >> easy for developers to add new templates in the future. I still

> >> >> anticipate the xwd driving the wizard form, and therefore some xml

> >> >> payload being delivered to your code - somehow - for you to use to

> >> >> drive your templates, but we haven't even started to really think about

> >> that just yet.

> >> >>

> >> >> Thanks for all the work since September,

> >> >>

> >> >> J

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> -----Original Message-----

> >> >> From: Tenney Julian

> >> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 13:04

> >> >> To: For Xerte technical developers

> >> >> Subject: RE: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play

> >> >>

> >> >> Thanks very much Jonathan, that's brilliant

> >> >> ________________________________________

> >> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk

> >> >> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp

> >> >> Johnathan [johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com]

> >> >> Sent: 22 February 2012 12:51

> >> >> To: Xerte Developers Discussion List

> >> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Xerte 2.18 State of play

> >> >>

> >> >> The setting of a time frame for the next release of Xerte certainly

> >> >> serves to focus the mind.

> >> >>

> >> >> I have taken the liberty of trying to pull together a list of what I

> >> >> think still needs doing or deciding upon, and what has been agreed or

> >> >> completed. I am not trying to tread on anyones toes, or take over

> >> >> management of the project. I just want to be sure that everything is

> >> >> covered, that there are no misunderstandings or differences in

> >> >> expectation, so that the project delivers on time.

> >> >>

> >> >> I will upload the list to the Xerte svn in the pageWizards folder as

> >> >> "Project State of Play.rtf" and have attached a copy here for

> >> convenience.

> >> >>

> >> >> I am sure I will have missed somethings off the list, so please feel

> >> >> free to edit the version in the svn so that we can all keep up to

> >> >> date on progress.

> >> >>

> >> >> As people complete things perhaps they could update the document

> >> >> accordingly in the svn.

> >> >>

> >> >> Kind regards

> >> >>

> >> >> Johnathan

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

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