[Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz

Tue Feb 28 15:21:56 GMT 2012

Thank you for the rapid response.

I have downloaded the updates and tested them.

One minor request if it is at all doable.

At present the only way you know if a section is available is if you click
the unchecked check box and it won't take a tick then that section does not
exist in the form.

Is it possible to grey out or hide the display of a section label that has
not been utilised in a form? Some forms will not need to be split into
sections, so it could be confusing to users if they can't tell when a
section exists or not.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 February 2012 14:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Done. Language options and advanced options.
>
>
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> Eventually it would be good if the xwd had sections=”advanced,language”
> sectionLabels=”Advanced Options,Language Options” in the root node, and
> then the controls and handlers were built automatically.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:52
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> OK :-)
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> JK
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> On 28 February 2012 13:51, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
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> Somewhere, sometime, but first things first.
>
>
>
> We really need to get everything that is currently out on the workbench
> finished, zipped up, tested, fixed and put out in the world. It’s a lot:
> there’s been loads going on since September.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:49
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> "Language Options" is fine, I was just conscious of the limited amount of
> space at the bottom of the form.
>
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>
> Will these labels be exposed somewhere in the Xerte and XOT interface so
> that translators can change them to their appropriate language equivalent?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
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>
>
> On 28 February 2012 13:38, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
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> “Language Options”?
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>
> “Advanced” could be handy though (I’m thinking about some of the mapping
> stuff I’m working on). We’re not trying to build visual basic though.
>
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:37
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> At present I don't have a use for "advanced" section, so maybe we could
> keep it really simple and just change the advanced label to "language".
>
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> My main concern was in trying to have a way of not having to display all
> the sections at the same time to avoid a long scrolling form, but if
> avoiding that is the part that takes up the time then keep it simple.
>
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>
> I don't know if collapsible sections based on data in the xwd file would
> go on to your to do list for later. If so the less time invested in making
> changes now that might become redundant the better.
>
>
>
> I will go along with whatever you feel is appropriate.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
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> On 28 February 2012 13:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
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> NO, the work is in making the form expand / contract.Main, Advanced and
> Language would work: would suggest just having ‘Advanced’ and ‘Language’ as
> the checkboxes. I can do that now, if that works…
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 13:05
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> I appreciate the time constraint. Its a pity as it would have moved the
> language for the sections into the xwd making translation easier.
>
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>
> So far we have managed with no sections at all, its just as you start
> adding all the display text a few forms get very big.
>
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> How about if we had three check boxes, Main, Language, Instructions,
>
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> Main would handle the display of what was typically seen in the form for a
> node before the internationalisation came along, it would default to
> checked but if you unchecked it then the content would be hidden, Forms for
> low content pages might only have a Main section.
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> Language would be Advanced but renamed and would work just the same. Into
> this could go all the display text, button width settings etc.
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>
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> Instructions, would be a new section working in the same way as the
> current advanced but provide a place to put info statements that you could
> add to help explain the form.
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>
>
> The section title and associated check box would be greyed out or not
> display if no content existed for that section.
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> Or does that end up creating as much work as user definable sections?
>
>
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> If it does then let me know and I will work with just the current advanced
> section.
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>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 12:40, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> It’s more work than I’ve got time to do to make expandable sections for
> the form at the moment. Do things get really messy when you just have the
> normal default section, and an advanced section? Could we get away with
> another checkbox, or some other control to display nodes with various
> attributes? We can’t have n checkboxes, but some other way of showing /
> hiding sections?
>
>
>
> I’m also stuck on the name thing. It’s one of those ‘I can’t believe it’s
> not possible’ problems… but I’ve not thought of a solution.
>
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> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 12:27
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Sorry, I missed the ball being in my court and did not want to appear
> pushy :-)
>
>
>
> We discussed this in a thread entitled "Re: Interactive Diagram Page
> (customHotspots.rlm)"
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> The last discussions left me, perhaps wrongly, with the impression that
> you would be carrying out some further work.
>
>
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> In my postings I had tried to convey a preference for user defined
> sections that could be collapsed or expanded by the author when using the
> form, rather than having a single additional area that was either displayed
> or not displayed - as once displayed we are still back to a form that may
> be significantly larger than the page.
>
>
>
> However I also wanted to convey my appreciation that you might not be in a
> position to commit the time necessary to implement this and that I would
> accept whatever solution you were able to offer in the time available.
>
>
>
> My post of the 3rd Feb that begins "I'm sorry I was unavailable yesterday
> afternoon and evening and was not able to respond to you sooner." provides
> a sample xwd script that demonstrates how I thought it might be implemented
> from the xwd form definition perspective.  In theory any node defined in an
> xwd could be for display purposes be split into sections each of which
> could be expanded or contracted, by the author to edit their content.
>
>
>
> Do you think you might be able in the time available to implement
> something like that?
>
>
>
> Is the ball in my court regarding the resolution of the problem regarding
> the consuming of the xwd name property for use as the page title and for
> populating the TOC in a xerte desktop page project - because if it is I'm
> afraid my racket has just bust several strings ;-)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
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> On 28 February 2012 12:00, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
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> > Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve
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> I think this is your situation to resolve…
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> ;-)
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> If you need more, tell me what you need.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 February 2012 11:59
>
>
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: New models and quiz
>
>
>
> Hello Inge,
>
>
>
> The quiz has got a fair bit of display text in it, which tends to make the
> xwd form rather busy. It was actually the first model I converted for
> translation back in the days when we were just beginning to talk about how
> this might be implemented. So I am just waiting for any additions to the
> features offered by xwd forms to be completed, so that I can set up the
> form to display in the most user friendly way.
>
>
>
> There has been some discussion regarding possible additions to the
> features offered by xwd based forms, that would allow for the forms to be
> divided into sections that could be displayed or hidden. Julian added an
> "Advanced" flag which allows you to mark some properties as advanced that
> then only show when the advanced box is checked. I don't know if any
> further changes are going to be implemented or whether "advanced" is all
> there will be.
>
>
>
> Whilst I am waiting for the situation to resolve I am working on the
> Connector models (formerly known as routed pages), but rest assured the
> Quiz will be included in the model set.
>
>
>
> With regard to the detection of the environment in a model i.e. desktop V
> pageTemplate / XOT I would prefer something automatic in the model. If I
> set a flag in the xwd it has to default to something, presumably XOT
> meaning that none of the pages would run out of the box in a desktop pages
> project. The user would always have to remember to change the setting.
>
>
>
> I think I may have a possible candidate value that will provide the
> environment indicator I need. I now have a working MAXOS environment to
> test it on. So I am going to run a few tests and see how things go.
>
>
>
> Hope you both enjoyed the skiing!
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
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> On 28 February 2012 11:26, Inge Donkervoort 12Change <
> i.donkervoort at 12change.eu> wrote:
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> Hi Jonathan,
>
> We had a look at your work so far, looking good! Toppie :)
>
> We were just wondering what happened to the Quiz?
> Also with respect to your question about pages for the development mode or
> XOT mode only, Tom suggest to ad an attribute to the xwd.
>
> Bye,
> Inge
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