[Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)

Tue Apr 3 09:38:42 BST 2012

The major thing is the space for the buttons, it can't really expand.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl> wrote:
> Let me give a try this week. I agree that image buttons should work, but I
> would prefer to set the text in the translation tool.
>
> Much cleaner...
>
> You don't have to worry about too much about the width. HTML will solve that
> (I think)
>
> Op 2-4-2012 19:14, Pat Lockley schreef:
>
>> PSDs aren't open though? Maybe via a png and GD?
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Ron Mitchell<ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Just a thought - Would it be better (less flexible but perhaps more
>>> reliable) to leave the text embedded in the buttons and have different
>>> button sets for each language e.g. someone doing a translation also
>>> creates
>>> a set of buttons from a master set of PSD files?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>>> Lockley
>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 16:59
>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>
>>> and then you've user styles sheets and text sizes. it'll be getting ugly.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Julian Tenney
>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You'll need to find a library to do it, and even then, on different
>>>
>>> devices, you won't get a good result, so it's probably not worth it. I
>>> think
>>> Flash could only do it because it knew how it was going to render the
>>> fonts.
>>> I bet you Arial 10pt is different on different devices running different
>>> resolutions, and mobiles have some other dpi thing going on with respect
>>> to
>>> resolution / screen size.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>>>> Lockley
>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 16:49
>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>
>>>> probably, but i don't want to spend ages on it, maybe an hour tops, so
>>>> it might be which ever is easiest (and if your text don't fit, you can
>>>> shrink it)
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you measure text in a given size / font in javascript? So given a
>>>
>>> string, you can work out how many pixels is needed? Flash had
>>> getTextExtent
>>> which was useful for making sure everything sizes nicely.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>>>>> Lockley
>>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 13:22
>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>>
>>>>> it's not much harder, but I am happy to go with which ever option.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would agree in different languages the buttons change length - but
>>>>> the buttons are squeezed in pretty tightly - so you might have to
>>>>> have some buttons with smaller text?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Tom Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Come on...., this is such a standard technique....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Op 2-4-2012 13:45, Pat Lockley schreef:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sections will make the HTML a load harder because you'll be setting
>>>>>>> three backgrounds?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Four states for each button?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Normal
>>>>>>>> Click
>>>>>>>> Off
>>>>>>>> Disabled
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll do the sections approach if that's OK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom
>>>>>>>> Reijnders
>>>>>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 12:38
>>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or a left side, middle (that can be stretched) and right side...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are a few other places as well, like the login button...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Op 2-4-2012 13:33, Julian Tenney schreef:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These being the buttons for the top row of the workspace?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> Pat Lockley
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 12:31
>>>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The same size as they are now really
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>>>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>      wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can Nottingham provide blank buttons?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You need one, or several sizes?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>> Pat Lockley
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 12:11
>>>>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Change the file then for that one :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also should they be prefixed INDEX_ ? seems a good policy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The label is a resource, but they'd need to be some JS work to
>>>>>>>>>> handle "disabling" the button
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can Nottingham provide blank buttons?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Tom Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We/I can create blank buttons.... than, the label is just
>>>>>>>>>>> another resource in one of the inc files. Correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ehmm... I would say, yes, dow whatever is the simplest, but,
>>>>>>>>>>> ehmm, you're still the expert on that!  I am happy to help!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Generating a translation of the inc files workes very smoothly!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We have a Dutch XOT up and running because of that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only the index.inc (rootlevel) caused some issues, because it
>>>>>>>>>>> breaks the pattern. The defines for the LOGIN_AREA, USERNAME,
>>>>>>>>>>> etc uses single quotes in stead of double quotes.... That
>>>>>>>>>>> breaks my parser!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Op 2-4-2012 12:33, Pat Lockley schreef:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't have "blank" buttons though - with those we could do
>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Drupal and WordPress use CSS to make the button - I am happy
>>>>>>>>>>>> to go with whatever is simple
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, we could just use links of course, but it is doable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I've seen this working on joomla through css tricks on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML link)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 2-4-2012 12:16, Pat Lockley schreef:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No work has happened in index.php to allow for language
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detection yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the flash load when the preview / play fails? Fiddler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> showing anything?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would get rid of the buttons and just use links now (for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sake of simplicity).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We (Inge and I) finished the first round of the Dutch
>>>
>>> translation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I installed a fresh xot from svn trunk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I copied an existing xot database (1.7) as the basis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I copied all the USER_FILES and the templates and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parent_templates of the live xot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I 'upgraded' all the parent_templates by copying the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models, thumbs and generated xwd;s from the page based
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xwd's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not been able to do very much with it just yet, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I already have a few observations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The language selection has to be sorted out 2. We should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use one mechanism for the language parameter, ether 'en',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'nl',
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   etc or 'en-gb', 'nl-nl' etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. The first tests show, that you can edit existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (upgraded) LO's 4. I can't preview or run them, the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blocks (The first page loads, but after that I can't do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone wants to have a peek, I'll give you the URL and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the login credentials by PM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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