[Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
Pat Lockley
patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
Mon Apr 2 16:59:16 BST 2012
and then you've user styles sheets and text sizes. it'll be getting ugly.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> You'll need to find a library to do it, and even then, on different devices, you won't get a good result, so it's probably not worth it. I think Flash could only do it because it knew how it was going to render the fonts. I bet you Arial 10pt is different on different devices running different resolutions, and mobiles have some other dpi thing going on with respect to resolution / screen size.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> Sent: 02 April 2012 16:49
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>
> probably, but i don't want to spend ages on it, maybe an hour tops, so
> it might be which ever is easiest (and if your text don't fit, you can
> shrink it)
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Can you measure text in a given size / font in javascript? So given a string, you can work out how many pixels is needed? Flash had getTextExtent which was useful for making sure everything sizes nicely.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
>> Sent: 02 April 2012 13:22
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>
>> it's not much harder, but I am happy to go with which ever option.
>>
>> I would agree in different languages the buttons change length - but
>> the buttons are squeezed in pretty tightly - so you might have to have
>> some buttons with smaller text?
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl> wrote:
>>> Come on...., this is such a standard technique....
>>>
>>> Op 2-4-2012 13:45, Pat Lockley schreef:
>>>
>>>> sections will make the HTML a load harder because you'll be setting
>>>> three backgrounds?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Four states for each button?
>>>>>
>>>>> Normal
>>>>> Click
>>>>> Off
>>>>> Disabled
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll do the sections approach if that's OK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
>>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 12:38
>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>>
>>>>> Or a left side, middle (that can be stretched) and right side...
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a few other places as well, like the login button...
>>>>>
>>>>> Op 2-4-2012 13:33, Julian Tenney schreef:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These being the buttons for the top row of the workspace?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
>>>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 12:31
>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The same size as they are now really
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can Nottingham provide blank buttons?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need one, or several sizes?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
>>>>>>> Sent: 02 April 2012 12:11
>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Testing of 1.8/2.18 (buttons)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Change the file then for that one :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also should they be prefixed INDEX_ ? seems a good policy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The label is a resource, but they'd need to be some JS work to handle
>>>>>>> "disabling" the button
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can Nottingham provide blank buttons?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Tom Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We/I can create blank buttons.... than, the label is just another
>>>>>>>> resource
>>>>>>>> in one of the inc files. Correct?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ehmm... I would say, yes, dow whatever is the simplest, but, ehmm,
>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>> still the expert on that! I am happy to help!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Generating a translation of the inc files workes very smoothly!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have a Dutch XOT up and running because of that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only the index.inc (rootlevel) caused some issues, because it breaks
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> pattern. The defines for the LOGIN_AREA, USERNAME, etc uses single
>>>>>>>> quotes in
>>>>>>>> stead of double quotes.... That breaks my parser!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Op 2-4-2012 12:33, Pat Lockley schreef:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> we don't have "blank" buttons though - with those we could do it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Drupal and WordPress use CSS to make the button - I am happy to go
>>>>>>>>> with whatever is simple
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Tom Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> yes, we could just use links of course, but it is doable (I've seen
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> working on joomla through css tricks on a HTML link)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Op 2-4-2012 12:16, Pat Lockley schreef:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No work has happened in index.php to allow for language detection
>>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>> Does the flash load when the preview / play fails? Fiddler showing
>>>>>>>>>>> anything?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would get rid of the buttons and just use links now (for the sake
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> simplicity).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Tom Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We (Inge and I) finished the first round of the Dutch translation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - I installed a fresh xot from svn trunk
>>>>>>>>>>>> - I copied an existing xot database (1.7) as the basis
>>>>>>>>>>>> - I copied all the USER_FILES and the templates and
>>>>>>>>>>>> parent_templates of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> live xot
>>>>>>>>>>>> - I 'upgraded' all the parent_templates by copying the models,
>>>>>>>>>>>> thumbs
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> generated xwd;s from the page based xwd's
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not been able to do very much with it just yet, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> few observations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The language selection has to be sorted out
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. We should use one mechanism for the language parameter, ether
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'en',
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'nl',
>>>>>>>>>>>> etc or 'en-gb', 'nl-nl' etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. The first tests show, that you can edit existing (upgraded)
>>>>>>>>>>>> LO's
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. I can't preview or run them, the browser blocks (The first page
>>>>>>>>>>>> loads,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but after that I can't do anything)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone wants to have a peek, I'll give you the URL and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> login
>>>>>>>>>>>> credentials by PM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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