[Reading-hall-of-fame] Re: Thanks David -

[Cynthia Greenleaf]

Kia ora, Stuart,
Very happy to see you write about this effort here.


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On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 2:22 PM Stuart McNaughton <
s.mcnaughton at auckland.ac.nz> wrote:

> Greetings David from Aotearoa New Zealand,
>
> Thank you so much for responding, and also thanks to other members who
> have made comments. I owe much to Marie and her work, having been mentored
> by her and then worked with her. The deliberate misrepresentation of her
> science and it’s applications is as you have said, galling. I will just add
> two things from a local perspective. Our recent experiences highlight once
> again the need to keep the forms of reasoning to which Allan refers in the
> forefront of what we collectively do, they so easily get overtaken by
> selective and limited reasoning. But the misrepresentation is symptomatic
> of a wider problem, about which we have to think very smartly -how best
> through education to build the skills required to be resilient in the face
> of mis – dis – and mal information; what a colleague in the science
> advisory system here prefers to call ’polluted information’. You may be
> interested in what we are engaging in at a system level:
> https://www.pmcsa.ac.nz/topics/building-youth-resilience-through-critical-thinking-and-digital-citizenship-skills/
>
> Stuart McNaughton
> ------------------------------
> *From:* reading-hall-of-fame-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk <
> reading-hall-of-fame-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> on behalf of P David
> Pearson <ppearson at berkeley.edu>
> *Sent:* 30 October 2022 18:10
> *To:* Allan Luke <a2.luke at qut.edu.au>
> *Cc:* reading hall of fame <reading-hall-of-fame at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> *Subject:* [Reading-hall-of-fame] Re: Thanks David -
>
> Thanks, Allan and Donna!
> pdavid
>
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 8:15 PM Allan Luke <a2.luke at qut.edu.au> wrote:
>
> Dear David and colleagues
>
> I too wish to thank you for taking the time to write and set the record
> straight. I too never met Professor Clay but the legacy of her work which
> you've aptly described - detailed attention to early learners,
> practitioner-based design research, individual face-to-face diagnostic
> assessment, the integration of reading/writing, attention to the
> significance of syntactic knowledge and orthography, models of guided
> reading, and so much more - remains. It is still significant and powerful.
>
> Like many of us, I too was involved in policy debates, government meetings
> over literacy policy and funding during this period. But one did not have
> to be a strong advocate of Reading Recovery to acknowledge and engage with
> Professor Clay's insights and models. Yes, there were tough debates,
> contested evidence-bases and there were profound scholarly and scientific
> differences between us. But I found this piece to be a rancid selective
> history, packed with journalistic innuendo and the narrative trashing of
> researchers and scholars.
>
> Thanks for writing, David. And thanks again to Professor Marie Clay.
>
> Allan
>
> Allan Luke
>
> https://www.reverbnation.com/allanluke
> ------------------------------
> *From:* reading-hall-of-fame-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk <
> reading-hall-of-fame-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> on behalf of Donna E
> Alvermann <dalverma at uga.edu>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 29 October 2022 05:37
> *To:* P David Pearson <ppearson at berkeley.edu>; reading hall of fame <
> reading-hall-of-fame at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> *Subject:* [Reading-hall-of-fame] Re: A piece I felt I had to write
>
> Dear P. David,
>
> Thank you for writing this essay on Marie Clay's legacy. I've read the
> piece in its entirety and am grateful that you posted it both here and in
> Facebook. Although I never met Marie Clay in person, I certainly know of
> her work and agree that Reading Recovery has stood the test of time.
> Setting the record straight in this troubled time when those who would
> dismiss the value of her contributions to the reading and literacies field
> is indeed important.
>
> You stepped up to the plate, as you always, do.
> Appreciatively,
> Donna (A.)
> ------------------------------
> *From:* reading-hall-of-fame-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk <
> reading-hall-of-fame-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> on behalf of P David
> Pearson <ppearson at berkeley.edu>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2022 10:35 AM
> *To:* reading hall of fame <reading-hall-of-fame at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> *Subject:* [Reading-hall-of-fame] A piece I felt I had to write
>
> [EXTERNAL SENDER - PROCEED CAUTIOUSLY]
>
> I posted the attached piece on FaceBook out of respect from one of our
> departed RHF colleagues, Marie Clay, whose contributions have been called
> into question in an APM series of podcasts by Emily Hanford with the
> umbrella title of Sold a Story
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/__;!!NVzLfOphnbDXSw!GdsuNjreFswPLzX55cOpCI8MRIeTmxvaNDJT-AUZODQPopRE4eVohI1mDHZsPSPQGM9Xm6bXR8w3nTNG2pbb$>.
> I have listened to the first two, and I'm focusing on the second, which is
> mainly about Marie Clay's work. Hanford unpacks her account of Marie's
> contributions and goes on to tell us why they are misguided. To quote
> Hanford, "In this episode, I’m gonna tell you where this idea comes from.
> I’m gonna tell you what’s wrong with it."  I've embedded a link to the
> piece I posted on FaceBook, a medium which not all of us use.
>
> So I am taking the liberty of sharing it directly. Below is the
> introduction to it. If you like, you can read the whole piece here
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.dropbox.com/s/llizr8t9cwve4y3/Marie*20Clay.A*20personal*20reflection.Final.pdp..pdf?dl=0__;JSUl!!NVzLfOphnbDXSw!GdsuNjreFswPLzX55cOpCI8MRIeTmxvaNDJT-AUZODQPopRE4eVohI1mDHZsPSPQGM9Xm6bXR8w3nSowNFzH$>.
> My piece is not really about Hanford. It is really my 15 year overdue piece
> about Marie's legacy in our field. That said, I think we all need to be
> aware of Hanford's reporting and its impact on policy.
>
> *A note to the reader*: I wrote the initial draft of this essay soon
> after Marie Clay’s death in 2007, but I failed to finish it in time for
> inclusion in a publication honoring her contributions to the field. And it
> has rested in a comfortable sinecure in the cloud since that time. About a
> week ago, I happened on an American Public Media podcast by Emily Hanford,
> one that cast doubt on the professional contributions of Marie Clay.
> Essentially, Hanford blamed Dame Clay for America’s dismal reading
> performance when Clay offered teachers an approach to promoting reading
> development that, at least according to Hanford, is just plain wrong. And
> it is wrong, Hanford added, because it is at odds with what we know because
> of recent advances in the science of reading. Time to right that wrong by
> restoring phonics first and fast to the top slot in our reading curriculum.
>
>
> I was appalled and angered by this indictment for two reasons: (a) it is
> based on a limited portrayal of scientific reading research (dare I say,
> just plain wrong?), and (b) it was directed at scholar who has left us a
> rich, perhaps unparalled, legacy of understandings about the nature of
> reading acquisition, one to be celebrated not denigrated. At the height of
> my rage, I remembered this unfinished tribute. Thanks to the search
> affordances of our digital age, I found it—as I said, resting comfortably
> in the cloud. So, I got to work and finished it for this occasion (Finally
> met the deadline! Thanks for your patience, Marie). Today, I’ll forego a
> point-by-point counter to Hanford’s outrageous claims in favor of an
> argument for celebrating Professor Clay’s legacy.
> --
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