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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The options for saving data are:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- cache it for the current session (write to the xml or somewhere else convenient);<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Save between sessions for same user on same machine – use SharedObject;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Save between sessions for a roaming user logging in from anywhere. Needs user login and authentication (how would the sandpit do this – no LMS, no LDAP, no list of end-users), LMS or custom functionality to save data.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1<sup>st</sup> is easy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>2<sup>nd</sup> more difficult, but probably simple enough – but might not be worth the effort as many users roam – use LOs at home, in library, etc).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>3<sup>rd</sup> option is an LMS thing or a custom data tracking solution. You have to have users with usernames and passwords (and support issues when they can’t log in). Tom was looking into SCORMing the interactions, which seems a potential solution. I am a little cautious about the amount of support this would create: what I definitely don’t want to do is to start creating loads of support issues when you start managing usernames, passwords, etc. Think about the sandpit scenario – how would it work best for that?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Burnett<br><b>Sent:</b> 08 February 2012 15:15<br><b>To:</b> Xerte list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>We have 2 sort-of-separate issues going here:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>- Having pages retain input during session<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>- Having the ability to Save/Print input <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>The mechanics are thus:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To instantiate a page, the engine reads a block of XML and uses those instructions to create the page components the user sees.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>When you "turn the page", those components are deleted, and the next page worth of components are created.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To retain page information **just during a session**, we would need to write the information we want to retain into the underlying XML block for that page.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>All of that information disappears when the LO is restarted/reloaded<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Saving content beyond the session requires other mechanisms:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>- LO is housed within a compliant LMS/VLE. Data can be sent/retrieved via SCORM calls.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>- LO can call .asp/php/whatever middleware to write/retrieve data from server text file or database.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>So first we need a consensus on what is most desired.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Session persistent or long-term persistent?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=stopSpelling></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 04:46:09 -0800<br>From: briananthonyfinch@yahoo.com<br>To: xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>This is essentially the same query I raised a couple of weeks ago about being able to save your work and go back to it. Someone on another site suggested that it could be done through Moodle but since nobody has proposed that here does that mean it won't work? I have not yet pursued the idea and don't know much about Moodle.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I don't know how hard the programing is but it would be immensely powerful for a learner to be able to check a model answer against their own and to look back at what they have done as they progress.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Brian Finch 52 Middleway, London NW11 6SG tel: 44 02(0) 8455 6036 mob: 07773 407383</span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk><br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list <xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 8, 2012 12:31 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=ecxyiv60412673><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There’s a ‘model answer’ in the new tempales..?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Mitchell<br><b>Sent:</b> 08 February 2012 12:22<br><b>To:</b> 'Xerte discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If enough people request it Julian might just be persuaded to include my two compare answer page types! ;-) </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_4</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><a name="_MailEndCompose"></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br><b>Sent:</b> 08 February 2012 11:02<br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We can’t create / save a file in Word – the user can cut and paste at the minute. Potentially could do a nicer job of building up the text to cut / paste, or send it to server for some processing / turn it into a doc of some sort on the server.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div style='margin-left:72.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Davidson, Andrew<br><b>Sent:</b> 08 February 2012 10:56<br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Query about model answer pagetype in XOT</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:72.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:72.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Hi<br><br>With the Model Answer pagetype (type in some text in a box) would it be possible to have a function which allows the user to save the text created to a word file and also allows the editor of the page to choose whether the page should be cleared or not when the user moves forward or back through the xerte course pages?<br><br>Thanks in advance,<br><br>Andy<br><br><br><br>Centre for Applied Linguistics<br>Room 0.39 (Social Sciences building)</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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