i tried that once before, and finding the relevant bit in the moodle code was a bit wild goose.<div><br></div><div>Works for all, is sadly, "cannot fail"<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Davies, Dale <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Dale.Davies@liv-coll.ac.uk">Dale.Davies@liv-coll.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="131be61fca9a3eb6__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">What is the spec for “works for all”? That’s why I suggest taking direction from other open source projects, Moodle for example?<u></u><u></u></span></a></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Dale Davies - VLE / E-Learning Developer<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D">Liverpool Community College, CIS Dept, Bankfield Road, Liverpool, L13 0BQ.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pat Lockley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 August 2011 14:34</span></p><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Security concern<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Much as anyone is welcome to change their install, unless i can make a "works for all" I am a bit reluctant to change the core code (not that it's up to me anymore), but I tend to do most of the support for it.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">A fallback of storing text would seem ok, but most people don't pay any attention to the installer most of the time.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Davies, Dale <<a href="mailto:Dale.Davies@liv-coll.ac.uk" target="_blank">Dale.Davies@liv-coll.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<a name="131be61fca9a3eb6_131be1f689a08b40__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Pat,</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Well md5 seems to be the traditional hash algorithm used by most, although sha1 if you want to make it harder for an attacker using something like rainbow tables to check for hash collisions. I gather these would be available on most up to date PHP installations.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Perhaps it would be worth researching methods implemented by other open source developments, Wordpress being the one I am most familiar with employs hashing and salts.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I also found this article on NetTuts+ quite useful, which explains it all much better than I can!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/php/understanding-hash-functions-and-keeping-passwords-safe/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/php/understanding-hash-functions-and-keeping-passwords-safe/</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Dale Davies - VLE / E-Learning Developer</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D">Liverpool Community College, CIS Dept, Bankfield Road, Liverpool, L13 0BQ.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pat Lockley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 August 2011 13:03<br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Security concern</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The problem I had was working out (during the installer) which hash would be supported. <u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://php.net/manual/en/function.crypt.php" target="_blank">http://php.net/manual/en/function.crypt.php</a> - this has a sort of example / discussion of the problem.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">And most people who install XOT wouldn't understand me asking for "a salt", and then a fixed "salt" is probably bad practise? I would guess you could make the salt out of the URL maybe? But then it's a known algorithm attack anyways.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Davies, Dale <<a href="mailto:Dale.Davies@liv-coll.ac.uk" target="_blank">Dale.Davies@liv-coll.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="131be61fca9a3eb6_131be1f689a08b40_131bdd5c881c4cec__MailE"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Matt,</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I’m no security “expert” but I have plenty of experience with this sort of thing in the past, I guess it is something that gets drummed into you if you’re a developer.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">It is good practice to hash passwords using a strong algorithm before storing them in a database, that way if the database is ever compromised and an attacker is able to dump the user table they will not be able to directly read the passwords.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Probably wouldn’t be that difficult to change the management.php script to check the hash of the password entered at login against a hashed password in the database, rather than just comparing the passwords in plain text. I might take a look into it myself next week if I have time.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">It may be worth also considering password protecting the file itself at the server level, so that if you try to access management.php from your browser you will first be presented with an authentication dialogue from the browser. Use a different password for this than you do for the Xerte admin page. See this tutorial for using .htaccess (Apache) to do this... </span><a href="http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2007/01/09/password-protecting-single-file-htaccess.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2007/01/09/password-protecting-single-file-htaccess.html</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">This way, even if an attacker manages to dump the database to a page and read the management password, they will still not be able to log in to the admin section because they won’t be able to get past the browsers authentication dialogue (as this uses a different password not stored in the database at all).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Another thing you can do to make the process of dumping database tables a little more difficult for a would be attacker is to use a unique table name prefix, this will make it harder for an attacker to guess the correct table names if they find an SQL injection vulnerability anywhere.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Let me know if this helps, or if you think I’m wrong, I have been know to be wrong many times in the past!</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Dale Davies - VLE / E-Learning Developer</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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