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<br>Lot's of complaining from "advanced" users, or at least the folks who are doing something more than uploading a Word doc and linking to it.<br><br>I'm late to the discussion, but it appears it's a dispute about LMS vs LCMS philosophy.<br>So they are severely restricting the content manipulation side of things.<br><br>Ron: If I was administrating the thing, I would take your advice and host the heavy media elsewhere.<br>But the architecture is engine based, and really counts on a known structure to run multiple courses.<br><br>root //engine<br> course folder<br> section1folder<br> audiofolder<br> videofolder<br> xmldriverfile <br> course folder<br>
section1folder<br>
audiofolder<br>
videofolder<br>
xmldriverfile <br><br>etc<br><br>Rejigging to have external media is of course possible, but this sort of radical structure change for a large base app is kind of stupid IMO.<br><br>Sure, AS2 to AS3, but the advantages there are obvious.<br>What does this Moodle change accomplish? Save some server space by reusing files?<br>I thought storage costs were almost a non-factor these days...<br>Why they would interfere with OS based pathing and interpolate a databased one is bizarre to me.<br><br>Peeved.<br><br>Dave<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <br><br><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk<br>To: xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:47:00 +0100<br>Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?<br><br>
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</style><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Doesn’t sound great. Is there any discussion in the moodle forums on the subject?</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div><div style="border-right: medium none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';" lang="EN-US"> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Burnett<br><b>Sent:</b> 11 July 2011 12:10<br><b>To:</b> Xerte list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"> </p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"><br>Even more unsettling is it seems the database lookup for files forms a single point of failure/slowness.<br>The same piece that runs fine on 1.9 runs painfully slowly under 2.0.<br>And I do not believe you can simply overwrite a file anyway. The database uses the individual file sizes as part of the was to identify them, so you need to actually alter the database entry to match the new file.<br><br>I think Moodle has really shot itself in the foot with this one.<br>I would like to see a list of the supposed benefits that justified such a radical structure change.<br><br>Dave</span></p><div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-align: center;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"><hr id="ecxstopSpelling" align="center" width="100%" size="2"></span></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From: ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk<br>To: xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:44:44 +0100<br>Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?</span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It does seem a short sighted and in many cases impractical solution.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The only solution to your problem that I can think of is keep the larger media assets external and link via full url when developing the LO. Not ideal but would perhaps resolve the file size problem?</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Ron</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><a name="_MailEndCompose" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><div><div style="border-right: medium none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; border-color: -moz-use-text-color;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';" lang="EN-US"> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Burnett<br><b>Sent:</b> 09 July 2011 20:53<br><b>To:</b> Xerte list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> </span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"><br>Point being of course, let's say you have a SCORM object layed out in a set of folders.<br>One of those folders contains 500 Mb of video.<br><br>It seems Moodle 2 is trying to say, each time you change 1 byte of any file within the SCORM .zip, you have to re-upload the entire thing.<br>You can see how that will get old pretty quickly...<br><br>I am seeing another complaint regarding "mini-websites" uploaded and unzipped.<br>Apparently all relative links are broken, because the files are not being maintained on the server in the same relative structure.<br><br>I can see their point about making resources reusable by databasing the paths, but not allowing access to the underlying SCORM structure files, or at least giving an option to "database ignore these files and maintain relative structure" is pretty short-sighted IMO.<br><br>Dave</span></p><div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-align: center;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"><hr align="center" width="100%" size="3"></span></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From: d_b_burnett@hotmail.com<br>To: xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>Subject: RE: [Xerte] Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?<br>Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 11:13:56 -0400</span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"><br>Thanks Ron.<br><br>Not yet. I've also taken a peek at this:<br>http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=166999#p735868<br><br>I'm a bit hobbled at the moment because I do not have admin access to the Moodle 2 setup, so can't create repositories etc to test stuff.<br><br>Even with that though, the workarounds are all pretty involved (I won't be adminning them myself).<br>As well, they seem to be aimed at maintaining relative link integrity, etc.<br><br>What I had the ability to do in 1.x was:<br><br>- Upload and unzip SCORM shell structure.<br>- Find that strucrure with file picker utility<br>- add/overwrite files within that structure<br><br><br>Is there any way at all within Moodle 2 (custom repository? files system folder?) to emulate that capability?<br><br>Dave</span></p><div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-align: center;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"><hr align="center" width="100%" size="3"></span></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From: ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk<br>To: xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 21:32:29 +0100<br>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?</span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi Dave</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">did you find your answer?</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Moodle 2 does have a files area but not in the same was as previously and you may not like the 1st answer/solution as it's nowhere near as straightforward as previously!</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">1. So if you really want to go the same route as before see http://www.pengzhang.ca/blog/2011/01/10/updating-large-scorm-courses-loaded-on-moodle/</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">but if you can set it up the following might be a better option:</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">2. http://www.pengzhang.ca/blog/2011/01/08/loading-large-scorm-pif-packages-onto-moodle-2-0/</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">HTH</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Ron</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p><div><div style="border-right: medium none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; border-color: -moz-use-text-color;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';" lang="EN-US"> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Burnett<br><b>Sent:</b> 07 July 2011 18:03<br><b>To:</b> Xerte list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Moodle 2 server file structure?</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> </span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"><br>In Moodle 1.x I had this process to evade the php.ini upload max size.<br><br>Upload SCORM package containing shell structure of LO, complete with folders for audio/video media.<br>Go to the left hand menu Files area, dig down to numbered folder representing root of unzipped SCORM package.<br>Upload audio/video files to appropriate folder.<br><br>Moodle 2 has no "Files" area, now has something called "Repositiories".<br><br>I have my shell uploaded, but I'll be darned if I can find that file structure anywhere.<br>Hints?<br><br>Dave</span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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