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OK.<br><br>This is anecdotal, but my impression is LMS's are used far less for the ability "to share my brilliant work" than their ability to score and generate pretty reports/graphs/attendance figures.<br>I don't think most LMS using folks could tell you what the S in SCORM stands for.<br>;-)<br><br><br><br><div>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:22:44 +0100<br>> From: patrick.lockley@googlemail.com<br>> To: xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?<br>> <br>> I'm not fussed about moodle - but i believe the change for the<br>> community hub idea, possibly due to moodle needing to scale so it can<br>> blah blah blah blah<br>> <br>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Lot's of complaining from "advanced" users, or at least the folks who are<br>> > doing something more than uploading a Word doc and linking to it.<br>> ><br>> > I'm late to the discussion, but it appears it's a dispute about LMS vs LCMS<br>> > philosophy.<br>> > So they are severely restricting the content manipulation side of things.<br>> ><br>> > Ron: If I was administrating the thing, I would take your advice and host<br>> > the heavy media elsewhere.<br>> > But the architecture is engine based, and really counts on a known structure<br>> > to run multiple courses.<br>> ><br>> > root //engine<br>> > course folder<br>> > section1folder<br>> > audiofolder<br>> > videofolder<br>> > xmldriverfile<br>> > course folder<br>> > section1folder<br>> > audiofolder<br>> > videofolder<br>> > xmldriverfile<br>> ><br>> > etc<br>> ><br>> > Rejigging to have external media is of course possible, but this sort of<br>> > radical structure change for a large base app is kind of stupid IMO.<br>> ><br>> > Sure, AS2 to AS3, but the advantages there are obvious.<br>> > What does this Moodle change accomplish? Save some server space by reusing<br>> > files?<br>> > I thought storage costs were almost a non-factor these days...<br>> > Why they would interfere with OS based pathing and interpolate a databased<br>> > one is bizarre to me.<br>> ><br>> > Peeved.<br>> ><br>> > Dave<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ________________________________<br>> > From: Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk<br>> > To: xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>> > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:47:00 +0100<br>> > Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?<br>> ><br>> > Doesn’t sound great. Is there any discussion in the moodle forums on the<br>> > subject?<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > From: xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>> > [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett<br>> > Sent: 11 July 2011 12:10<br>> > To: Xerte list<br>> > Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Even more unsettling is it seems the database lookup for files forms a<br>> > single point of failure/slowness.<br>> > The same piece that runs fine on 1.9 runs painfully slowly under 2.0.<br>> > And I do not believe you can simply overwrite a file anyway. The database<br>> > uses the individual file sizes as part of the was to identify them, so you<br>> > need to actually alter the database entry to match the new file.<br>> ><br>> > I think Moodle has really shot itself in the foot with this one.<br>> > I would like to see a list of the supposed benefits that justified such a<br>> > radical structure change.<br>> ><br>> > Dave<br>> ><br>> > ________________________________<br>> ><br>> > From: ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk<br>> > To: xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>> > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:44:44 +0100<br>> > Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?<br>> ><br>> > It does seem a short sighted and in many cases impractical solution.<br>> ><br>> > The only solution to your problem that I can think of is keep the larger<br>> > media assets external and link via full url when developing the LO. Not<br>> > ideal but would perhaps resolve the file size problem?<br>> ><br>> > Ron<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > From: xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>> > [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett<br>> > Sent: 09 July 2011 20:53<br>> > To: Xerte list<br>> > Subject: [Xerte] FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Point being of course, let's say you have a SCORM object layed out in a set<br>> > of folders.<br>> > One of those folders contains 500 Mb of video.<br>> ><br>> > It seems Moodle 2 is trying to say, each time you change 1 byte of any file<br>> > within the SCORM .zip, you have to re-upload the entire thing.<br>> > You can see how that will get old pretty quickly...<br>> ><br>> > I am seeing another complaint regarding "mini-websites" uploaded and<br>> > unzipped.<br>> > Apparently all relative links are broken, because the files are not being<br>> > maintained on the server in the same relative structure.<br>> ><br>> > I can see their point about making resources reusable by databasing the<br>> > paths, but not allowing access to the underlying SCORM structure files, or<br>> > at least giving an option to "database ignore these files and maintain<br>> > relative structure" is pretty short-sighted IMO.<br>> ><br>> > Dave<br>> ><br>> > ________________________________<br>> ><br>> > From: d_b_burnett@hotmail.com<br>> > To: xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>> > Subject: RE: [Xerte] Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?<br>> > Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 11:13:56 -0400<br>> ><br>> > Thanks Ron.<br>> ><br>> > Not yet. I've also taken a peek at this:<br>> > http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=166999#p735868<br>> ><br>> > I'm a bit hobbled at the moment because I do not have admin access to the<br>> > Moodle 2 setup, so can't create repositories etc to test stuff.<br>> ><br>> > Even with that though, the workarounds are all pretty involved (I won't be<br>> > adminning them myself).<br>> > As well, they seem to be aimed at maintaining relative link integrity, etc.<br>> ><br>> > What I had the ability to do in 1.x was:<br>> ><br>> > - Upload and unzip SCORM shell structure.<br>> > - Find that strucrure with file picker utility<br>> > - add/overwrite files within that structure<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Is there any way at all within Moodle 2 (custom repository? files system<br>> > folder?) to emulate that capability?<br>> ><br>> > Dave<br>> ><br>> > ________________________________<br>> ><br>> > From: ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk<br>> > To: xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>> > Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 21:32:29 +0100<br>> > Subject: [Xerte] Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?<br>> ><br>> > Hi Dave<br>> ><br>> > did you find your answer?<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Moodle 2 does have a files area but not in the same was as previously and<br>> > you may not like the 1st answer/solution as it's nowhere near as<br>> > straightforward as previously!<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > 1. So if you really want to go the same route as before see<br>> > http://www.pengzhang.ca/blog/2011/01/10/updating-large-scorm-courses-loaded-on-moodle/<br>> ><br>> > but if you can set it up the following might be a better option:<br>> ><br>> > 2.<br>> > http://www.pengzhang.ca/blog/2011/01/08/loading-large-scorm-pif-packages-onto-moodle-2-0/<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > HTH<br>> ><br>> > Ron<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > From: xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>> > [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett<br>> > Sent: 07 July 2011 18:03<br>> > To: Xerte list<br>> > Subject: [Xerte] Moodle 2 server file structure?<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > In Moodle 1.x I had this process to evade the php.ini upload max size.<br>> ><br>> > Upload SCORM package containing shell structure of LO, complete with folders<br>> > for audio/video media.<br>> > Go to the left hand menu Files area, dig down to numbered folder<br>> > representing root of unzipped SCORM package.<br>> > Upload audio/video files to appropriate folder.<br>> ><br>> > Moodle 2 has no "Files" area, now has something called "Repositiories".<br>> ><br>> > I have my shell uploaded, but I'll be darned if I can find that file<br>> > structure anywhere.<br>> > Hints?<br>> ><br>> > Dave<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and<br>> > may contain confidential information. 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