<div>As a PS to my previous post.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If you would like to post a new release of Xerte with the latest updates to Page Templates in it, I will then use this to create a new batch of Page Wizards containing the mods we have been discussing and a version of the Page Templates project wide template for testing. This would leave the original Page Templates files unchanged and give the Xerte Team / Community something to look at and try out without in any way compromising the current templates.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The one thing I can think of at present that I would not be sure how to implement in Page Templates ( there could turn out to be more later ) is the language bit as I am not sure that the structure of the Page Templates file will allow for a page definition to contain a data block outside of the pages opening and closing tags e.g.</div>
<div><dialogLang></div><div> data statements</div><div></dialogLang></div><div><dialog></div><div> data statements</div><div></dialog></div><div><br></div><div>How would the wizard form know to include both blocks?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Whereas in Page Wizards the xwd is discrete to a single page and the wizard displays everything between the opening and closing <learningObject> tags.</div><div><br></div><div>These mods would take me a while to do, but it may help to move things forwards whilst leaving you with time to focus on Xerte 3</div>
<div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div><br></div><div>Johnathan </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 May 2011 18:04, Kemp Johnathan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com">johnathan.kemp@ntlworld.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>On the language front I think that the issue for someone wishing to use Xerte for foreign students lies with the .rlm file and the xwd and xml files.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>In the .rlm file all text that displays when the page is run should be definable in a wizard form. I agree about the issue of avoiding a long form. In the Page Wizard I solve this by adding a separate block e.g.</div>
<div><learningObject></div><div class="im"><div><font color="#3366ff"> <dialogLang><br> <tryAgain type="TextInput" label="Try Again Prompt"/><br> <continue type="TextInput" label="Continue Prompt"/><br>
<showAnswer type="TextInput" label="Reveal Prompt"/> <br> </dialogLang> </font><br></div><div> <dialog></div></div><div> .. all the usual dialog xwd contents</div><div>
</dialog></div>
<div></learningObject></div><div><br></div><div>This results in the user being presented with a wizard that has two separate forms, so that no individual form need extend beyond the size of the form window. The structure of the Page Wizard xwd file concerned me as I was not sure it would be viable to duplicate this solution in Page Templates.</div>
<div><br></div><div>A further issue with the xwd file is that all combo boxes should have a data statement so that anyone modifying the file for foreign language use can then change choices like "left, right, centre" to their foreign language equivalent without affecting the operation of the page (they would need to adjust the defaultData statement as well). They could also change the labels the wizard displayed.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The Page Wizard xml file receives an additional line e.g. </div><div class="im"><div><br></div><div> <learningObject><br> <font color="#3366ff"><dialogLang tryAgain="Try Again" continue="Press Enter to continue" showAnswer="The correct answer has been revealed" /></font><br>
<dialog linkID="" text="Enter text for the page here" attempts="2"><br> <dialogStep name="question" question="Write your question here. 1" answer="Enter Answer 1" hint="Enter a hint 1" /><br>
<dialogStep name="question" question="Write your question here. 2" answer="Enter Answer 2" hint="Enter a hint 2" /><br> </dialog><br> </learningObject><br></div>
<div><br></div></div><div>which again I am not sure if this could be implemented in the Page Templates project template.<br></div><div><br></div><div>With respect to the .rlm file we are talking all displayed text - labels like question n of m, phrases like "you have scored", labels on buttons e.g. next, restart.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The above should allow someone to convert Xerte to any language as far as both student and course designer are concerned.</div><div><br></div><div>I would like to achieve a point where we have one set of .rlm files and thus the Page Wizards and Page Templates project file offer identical functionality. This would work well then for shared documentation.</div>
<div><br></div><div>This raises some additional issues as </div><div><div><br></div></div><div><ol><li>Some of the Page Wizards offer additional features which would have to be considered for acceptability in the Xerte official releases.</li>
<li>Some pages will need to offer some optional parameters that will only relate to Page Wizards as a Page Wizard based page can be used in projects which have or do not have an Entry Frame and also be used either in the Interface or a Framework - both issues affect the working of features like Restart buttons.</li>
<li>There are some Page Wizards that do not exist in Page Templates and On-line Toolkits and there would have to be a decision as to whether these would be included. Perhaps we should be considering a formal process by which contributors outside of the Xerte team can submit new pages for inclusion in Xerte, or to have a set of standard pages that are included with Xerte and then have a location on the wiki where new page wizards and project templates can be submitted by contributors and downloaded by users. (maybe even given a star rating by users similar to amazon book reviews).</li>
<li>What would you want to do with respect to routed pages? At present you have no pages that can direct users to other pages, so they may be useful to you, but when using them it can make sense to offer a different navigation e.g. a queue based back button like you have in a web browser.</li>
<li>Once we have a common set of .rlm files it would make sense to keep the files in line which means some means of handling changes to the Page Wizards in future. It also begs the question as to whether the Page Wizards should be considered for inclusion in the official release.</li>
</ol></div><div>What are your views?</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div>Johnathan</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></font><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">
On 5 May 2011 11:57, Julian Tenney <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">> </span>Unless there is a strong feeling from the Xerte team that they would not want the Page Wizards to offer better support for international use then I would like to implement this as part of a significant update to the Page Wizards.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">No, we’d be up for doing that. What you are saying is that every piece of text in the page is editable by the user? All prompts / feedback are editable, where some are currently hard coded in there?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I’m trying to think through them all in my head. What I don’t want is a really big wizard form that will intimidate people, but I think most should be OK?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Shouldn’t we be aiming for one set of files, now you’ve got rid of your learningObject[0] dependency, or do you still see two sets of files?</span></p>
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