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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Some thoughts on your other questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Some of the Page Wizards offer additional features which would have to be considered for acceptability in the Xerte official releases.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Some pages will need to offer some optional parameters that will only relate to Page Wizards as a Page Wizard based page can be used in projects which have or do not have an Entry Frame and also be used either in the Interface or a Framework - both issues affect the working of features like Restart buttons.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>There are some Page Wizards that do not exist in Page Templates and On-line Toolkits and there would have to be a decision as to whether these would be included. Perhaps we should be considering a formal process by which contributors outside of the Xerte team can submit new pages for inclusion in Xerte, or to have a set of standard pages that are included with Xerte and then have a location on the wiki where new page wizards and project templates can be submitted by contributors and downloaded by users. (maybe even given a star rating by users similar to amazon book reviews).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>What would you want to do with respect to routed pages? At present you have no pages that can direct users to other pages, so they may be useful to you, but when using them it can make sense to offer a different navigation e.g. a queue based back button like you have in a web browser.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Once we have a common set of .rlm files it would make sense to keep the files in line which means some means of handling changes to the Page Wizards in future. It also begs the question as to whether the Page Wizards should be considered for inclusion in the official release.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes, but please engage to get the changes accepted before distributing them in any other way. That way we can work together to get code consistent, and iron out any issues / improve things and the files can belong to the core set of files. That’s a good thing for you. It’s more difficult if you start distributing your files, users begin using them, and then you want to add them to the core set, and there are issues, because we then change the files and your users are left stuck.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>They can have their own xwd?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>See 1. We want to set up some cyclical development thing where we have known points for suggestions, development, testing, acceptance, distribution, probably quarterly. That will make it easier for us to collaborate, but the time to get changes through the system is still short enough for you to live with.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Open minded.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Where possible the files should be the same. It might be that the final distribution of page wizards has some extra stuff in it, but it should be easy for you to make the distro. I think that should be the goal: take this folder, take that folder, merge them, zip them. Something easy like that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br><b>Sent:</b> 06 May 2011 08:41<br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Xerte 2: MVC approach to displayed text<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If there are nodes in the xml that don’t have corresponding nodes in the xwd, the wizard will just ignore them, but you’ll still be able to fish them out using learningObject[0].pageName[0].language[0].prompt for example.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Then you can have the language stuff in the xml, which is defined in the newNodes section of the xwd, or your initial xml file.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ll pack everything up later,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kemp Johnathan<br><b>Sent:</b> 05 May 2011 18:04<br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Xerte 2: MVC approach to displayed text<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>On the language front I think that the issue for someone wishing to use Xerte for foreign students lies with the .rlm file and the xwd and xml files.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>In the .rlm file all text that displays when the page is run should be definable in a wizard form. I agree about the issue of avoiding a long form. In the Page Wizard I solve this by adding a separate block e.g.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><learningObject><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#3366FF'> <dialogLang><br> <tryAgain type="TextInput" label="Try Again Prompt"/><br> <continue type="TextInput" label="Continue Prompt"/><br> <showAnswer type="TextInput" label="Reveal Prompt"/> <br> </dialogLang> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'> <dialog><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'> .. all the usual dialog xwd contents<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'> </dialog><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'></learningObject><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>This results in the user being presented with a wizard that has two separate forms, so that no individual form need extend beyond the size of the form window. The structure of the Page Wizard xwd file concerned me as I was not sure it would be viable to duplicate this solution in Page Templates.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>A further issue with the xwd file is that all combo boxes should have a data statement so that anyone modifying the file for foreign language use can then change choices like "left, right, centre" to their foreign language equivalent without affecting the operation of the page (they would need to adjust the defaultData statement as well). They could also change the labels the wizard displayed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>The Page Wizard xml file receives an additional line e.g. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><learningObject><br><span style='color:#3366FF'><dialogLang tryAgain="Try Again" continue="Press Enter to continue" showAnswer="The correct answer has been revealed" /></span><br><dialog linkID="" text="Enter text for the page here" attempts="2"><br><dialogStep name="question" question="Write your question here. 1" answer="Enter Answer 1" hint="Enter a hint 1" /><br><dialogStep name="question" question="Write your question here. 2" answer="Enter Answer 2" hint="Enter a hint 2" /><br></dialog><br></learningObject><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>which again I am not sure if this could be implemented in the Page Templates project template.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>With respect to the .rlm file we are talking all displayed text - labels like question n of m, phrases like "you have scored", labels on buttons e.g. next, restart.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>The above should allow someone to convert Xerte to any language as far as both student and course designer are concerned.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>I would like to achieve a point where we have one set of .rlm files and thus the Page Wizards and Page Templates project file offer identical functionality. This would work well then for shared documentation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>This raises some additional issues as <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Some of the Page Wizards offer additional features which would have to be considered for acceptability in the Xerte official releases.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Some pages will need to offer some optional parameters that will only relate to Page Wizards as a Page Wizard based page can be used in projects which have or do not have an Entry Frame and also be used either in the Interface or a Framework - both issues affect the working of features like Restart buttons.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>There are some Page Wizards that do not exist in Page Templates and On-line Toolkits and there would have to be a decision as to whether these would be included. Perhaps we should be considering a formal process by which contributors outside of the Xerte team can submit new pages for inclusion in Xerte, or to have a set of standard pages that are included with Xerte and then have a location on the wiki where new page wizards and project templates can be submitted by contributors and downloaded by users. (maybe even given a star rating by users similar to amazon book reviews).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>What would you want to do with respect to routed pages? At present you have no pages that can direct users to other pages, so they may be useful to you, but when using them it can make sense to offer a different navigation e.g. a queue based back button like you have in a web browser.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Once we have a common set of .rlm files it would make sense to keep the files in line which means some means of handling changes to the Page Wizards in future. It also begs the question as to whether the Page Wizards should be considered for inclusion in the official release.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>What are your views?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>Johnathan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>On 5 May 2011 11:57, Julian Tenney <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'>> </span>Unless there is a strong feeling from the Xerte team that they would not want the Page Wizards to offer better support for international use then I would like to implement this as part of a significant update to the Page Wizards.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>No, we’d be up for doing that. What you are saying is that every piece of text in the page is editable by the user? All prompts / feedback are editable, where some are currently hard coded in there?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I’m trying to think through them all in my head. What I don’t want is a really big wizard form that will intimidate people, but I think most should be OK?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Shouldn’t we be aiming for one set of files, now you’ve got rid of your learningObject[0] dependency, or do you still see two sets of files?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:108.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:72.0pt'>This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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