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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Probably need to roll our own then. Its been a while since I went down this road. IE can (obviously) quite easily output TTS, using the system’s hardware, right? Isn’t there some easy way to set the sound input to record from the sound output, then just use IE to generate the sounds? A bit quick and dirty, but I don’t see why not…?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Then you can get hold of whatever voices you can find and install them into windows. There are some really good ones now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So, can you record to a file the system’s sound output, anyone?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kemp Johnathan<br><b>Sent:</b> 03 May 2011 14:00<br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Xerte 2: MVC approach to displayed text<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>I have looked at TTS software quite recently, but with a view to finding a free solution.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>There are a number of offerings that provide some kind of free download, but in general the quality of the voices is poor. The software available is able to provide high quality TTS but only if you buy the better voices. This was why I was impressed with <a href="http://paralink.com">paralink.com</a>'s offering. It was free to use and delivered a good quality speech rendering, particularly the male voice.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>I would prefer something that I could install locally as it is unlikely to be significantly affected by a change in business model, but for the time being paralink's offering is the best free offering I have come across, particularly so once you realise that despite the web site not offering the option to download an audio file of the reading, you can still make your own recording directly to Audacity without the need for a microphone by tinkering with your audio mixer settings.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>I am afraid we have both wondered somewhat of the original topic of this posting :-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Johnathan<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>On 3 May 2011 13:27, Julian Tenney <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Have you looked for some windows applications for generating TTS sound files from text? I haven’t for a while, but the more recent voices are really good. There was an application – I forget what it was called now – that allowed you to generate the mp3s directly on windows, using the SAPI stuff on your system, so you could install whatever voices you wanted. Must be something out there.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kemp Johnathan<br><b>Sent:</b> 03 May 2011 13:02<br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Xerte 2: MVC approach to displayed text</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>Recently someone posted for help in locating where some text strings were contained in pages as they wanted to convert the page for use in a language other than English.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>Would it be a good idea to establish a standard by which all displayed text in a Xerte Page model was entered via the page's wizard?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>Currently pages like the quiz page have embedded in the code in the .rlm file statements like <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>fb = 'The quiz is complete.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>tooltip="Next Question"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>fb += '<br><br>You scored '<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>If all such text was replaced with data calls to an external xml source then these strings could be readily modified using an xwd defined form. This could open up Xerte more readily for use internationally.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>I have been doing some testing recently with Page Wizards and have found that I can add a language block to the xwd and xml files e.g.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><b>xwd content</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><wizard><br><br><!--DIALOG INTERACTION-------------------------------------------------------------------><br><dialog hint="An interaction comprising a sequence of text-entry interactions forming a short dialog."><br><br><text type="TextArea" height="100" label="Text"/><br><attempts type="ComboBox" width="100" options="1,2,3,4" label="Attempts before hint"/><br><br><narration type="media" label="Narration" optional="true"/><br><br><newNodes><br><dialogStep><![CDATA[<dialogStep name="question" question="Write your question here." answer="Enter Answer" hint="Enter a hint"/>]]></dialogStep><br></newNodes><br><br></dialog><br><span style='color:#3366FF'><dialogLang><br><tryAgain type="TextInput" label="Try Again Prompt"/><br><continue type="TextInput" label="Continue Prompt"/><br><showAnswer type="TextInput" label="Reveal Prompt"/> <br></dialogLang></span><br><br><dialogStep menuItem="Question" icon="icComment" remove="true" max="12"><br><br><question type="TextArea" height="100" label="Question"/> <br><answer type="TextInput" label="Answer"/> <br><commentary type="TextArea" height="100" label="Commentary"/> <br><hint type="TextInput" label="Hint"/> <br><br></dialogStep><br><br></wizard><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><b>XML content</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><learningObject><br><span style='color:#3366FF'><dialogLang tryAgain="Try Again" continue="Press Enter to continue" showAnswer="The correct answer has been revealed" /></span><br><dialog linkID="" text="Enter text for the page here" attempts="2"><br><dialogStep name="question" question="Write your question here. 1" answer="Enter Answer 1" hint="Enter a hint 1" /><br><dialogStep name="question" question="Write your question here. 2" answer="Enter Answer 2" hint="Enter a hint 2" /><br></dialog><br></learningObject><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><b>Rlm examples</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>The model file can then access the language strings defined in the wizard by calls to the xml data <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>pageIcon.templateData.learningObject[0].<span style='color:#3366FF'>dialogLang[0].showAnswe</span>r<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>(With forthcoming changes to the Page Wizards this will soon be reduced to pageIcon.templateData.dialogLang[0].showAnswer )<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>I have tested this and it works.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>This approach has the distinct advantage of providing a separate page in the wizard form, for the language strings, thus avoiding having forms that are significantly longer than the window in which they are displayed. It also separates the display related text from the content related text. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>However it requires separate blocks outside of the <dialog></dialog> tags which may not prove compatible with pageTemplates. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><b>Can anyone more aufait with pageTemplates or On-line toolkits see any problems with this approach in terms of it being transferred to pageTemplates / On-line toolkits, or can you think of a better way that would be more compatible with the way the xml and xwd data is organised in the pageTemplates environment?</b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>As a result of other recent development work I have carried out on the Page Wizards I believe a single .rlm file that could be used both within Page Wizards and pageTemplates (and presumably therefore On-line toolkits) is now achievable. I would like therefore to consider the implementation of better support for language support in a context that considers both Page Wizards and pageTemplates based pages.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'>Johnathan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'>This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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