<div>Is the Xerte 3.0 timed text caption component available for testing in Xerte 3 yet?<br></div><div><br></div><div>The following url</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/jw-player/jw-player-for-flash-v5/22/making-video-accessible">http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/jw-player/jw-player-for-flash-v5/22/making-video-accessible</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>discusses closed captioning for the JWFLV player and it looks like this is using timed text, so I am assuming the process I used to use for creating closed captions for the JWFLV player should work with your timed text component. There is a link from the above url to a location where you can download a converter that will allow you to create your closed captions in subtitle workshop and then export them as timed text files.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If the timed text component is available for testing I don't mind testing it for you.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div><br></div><div>Johnathan </div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 January 2011 12:41, Julian Tenney <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thanks. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">This is all for Xerte 3.0, so all that is possible. I’ve made a component for Timed Text captions: I’m hoping other formats can be converted to timed text somehow. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">J</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kemp Johnathan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 27 January 2011 19:21</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Timed Text</div></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">
</p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I don't know if any of the following will help.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">For a while, before I started using Xerte I did some development of avi and flv files with subtitles and / or close captions. I used the JWFLV player to play the FLV files as this supported close caption (subtitles that you can turn on and off) but I don't know of any equivalent flv player available for use in Xerte. The JWFLV player is not expensive but neither is it free.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">I used Aegisub ( <a href="http://www.aegisub.org/" target="_blank">http://www.aegisub.org/</a> ) to create the subtitles as I found it easier to use than subtitle workshop, but I then exported the subtitle file to subtitle workshop for convertion to a close caption file compatible with the requirements of the JW FLV player. I believe I posted something when I first started using Xerte about the possibility of using closed captions, but the inclusion of a JWFLV player page was at the time a none starter as the program was not free. If I recall correctly close captions remain a separate file to the video file and are combined at run time, whilst subtitles are combined with the video file. When I wanted subtitles I used virtual dub to combine the avi file and the subtitle file before converting to an flv.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">If you want to play around with any of this then I have attached a pdf file that is an extract from some notes I made at the time about creating video files, specifically the part of my notes that relates to subtitle and close caption creation. I make no promises about the accuracy of the notes, they are just something I put together at the time, but they may cast some light in dark corners (but not as brightly as the star of Elendil)</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">This is probably a good time to renew the plea for some support for close caption files in Xerte (would play lists as well be being greedy ? :-) </p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Kind regards</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">
Johnathan</p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">On 26 January 2011 16:57, Julian Tenney <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="color:#1F497D">No flv support…</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Mitchell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26 January 2011 16:31</span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><br><b>To:</b> 'Xerte discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Timed Text</p></div></div></div></div><div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="color:#1F497D">Magpie? <a href="http://ncam.wgbh.org/invent_build/web_multimedia/tools-guidelines/magpie" target="_blank">http://ncam.wgbh.org/invent_build/web_multimedia/tools-guidelines/magpie</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt">
<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26 January 2011 16:14<br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Timed Text</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt">
<span style="color:#1F497D">It’s not free and there’s no demo? Not an encouraging start…</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Mitchell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26 January 2011 15:30<br><b>To:</b> 'Xerte discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Timed Text</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt">
<span style="color:#1F497D">Haven't used it but have you looked at Captionate? <a href="http://www.buraks.com/captionate/" target="_blank">http://www.buraks.com/captionate/</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt">
<span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26 January 2011 15:02<br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Timed Text</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt">
<span style="color:#1F497D">Timed Text was the steer I got from my accessibility guru. I could support multiple formats, but would prefer to find other tools that maybe convert between formats.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt">
<span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:144.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam Read<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26 January 2011 14:54<br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Timed Text</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:144.0pt"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:144.0pt">
<span style="color:#244061">I’ve used a free bit of software called “Subtitle Workshop” to make a timed caption file for youtube videos (</span><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Twy9xw9jlo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Twy9xw9jlo</a>) caption file attached (Sub Viewer file).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:144.0pt"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:144.0pt">Let’s you output in a few different formats, although XML isn’t a default option. Txt file might be an option?</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:144.0pt">
</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:144.0pt">Adam</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:144.0pt"><span style="color:#244061"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:144.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26 January 2011 14:33<br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Timed Text</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:144.0pt"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:144.0pt">
Does anyone know of any good, preferably free, tools for making timed text xml files?</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:144.0pt"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:144.0pt">I want to add some support for captions to Xerte 3.0, and am hopeful that by following the timed text standard, I will have access to loads of wonderful tools for producing timed text…</p>
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