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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I imagine the list server (pipermail) is in default display mode, and as such taking a fixed string from the results and doing a basic google search on a string from the page say "Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]", might bring me back some results.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>17 Million Nine Hundred Thousand of them it turns out. Which if 1 hit equals 1 email address is well, enough.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>So I add Xerte</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Xerte</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>And I only get 458.</DIV></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk on behalf of Paul Swanson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tue 21/07/2009 21:01<BR><B>To:</B> Xerte discussion list<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Xerte] Anti Spam<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If you view the html source in the archives, you won’t find your email address. What shows as your.name at yourDomain is the text part of a mailto: link. The actual email address in the mailto: code just points back to the archives. Spambots look at the html source for mailto: or your.name@yourDomain to get email addresses. There is also a meta tag on those pages: <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> So I don’t think this is really the cause of an increase in Jeremy’s spam. I haven’t noticed an increase in my spam.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">We have a spam filter, but my spam report doesn’t indicate that I receive very much. Maybe Jeremy’s spam filter is not functioning, or he doesn’t have one at all?</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Julian Tenney<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:33 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Xerte discussion list<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Xerte] Anti Spam</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I didn't think your email ever showed up in the archives anyway?</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">I’ll ask the sysadmin people.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jeremy Hopkins<BR><B>Sent:</B> 21 July 2009 17:01<BR><B>To:</B> Xerte discussion list<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Xerte] Anti Spam</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">If you add a robots.txt file to your lists sub domain here:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">and add the following to it:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">That will keep the search engines out, but that will mean the content is not searchable via those engines.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">As I said, I do not wish to moan… but as things are it’s only a matter of time before the Viagra salesmen start pushing their wares to all your subscribers </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">L</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Jeremy</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Patrick Lockley<BR><B>Sent:</B> 21 July 2009 16:55<BR><B>To:</B> Xerte discussion list<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Xerte] Anti Spam</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">Maybe it’s the google search widget for the list?</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jeremy Hopkins<BR><B>Sent:</B> 21 July 2009 16:52<BR><B>To:</B> xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Xerte] Anti Spam</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Hello, </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I have started receiving spam since joining the Xerte mailing list, that may be coincidence, or it is possible they got my address from another source, but, regardless of that I I see my mail address is indexed in google, the only precaution being to replace @ with “at”.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Personally I do not think that is enough, it is such a common trick any self respecting spammer would harvest those and take a punt on them being a mail address.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Is it possible to remove the domain from the addresses, add some more text to the address, or drop the list in favour of a forum?</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sorry to be a whinge.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Jeremy</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>