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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks for doing that Mark.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It looks like we might need some notes for screen reader users
and some guidance for contributors so that they are aware of basic good
practice in terms of layout and headings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This may be a daft question but can I check that WikiMedia and WikiPedia
are the same underlying engine?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>A<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark
Tomlinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 29 April 2009 14:02<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Xerte discussion list'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Xerte] Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And in addition, I contacted a blind admin of Wikipedia for his
thoughts on it: His response is here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>“Hi Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>MediaWiki is on the whole very accessible for screen reader
users, as long as the pages are laid out sensibly (i.e. with headings
separating each section). The biggest problem I can think of is the position of
the section edit buttons; since they're placed before the section title in the
HTML, a screen reader will read a section as "edit
<sectionname>". I have a script in my monobook.js file, which moves
them to a better location for screen readers, which you can copy to your
Monobook.js file for all users. If you need to turn CAPTCHAs on for account
creation, make sure they're accessible to all users. Reading diffs can be
tricky for screen reader users; I've found that the best way for me to read a
complex diff is to go into the HTML source code and search for class names like
"diffchange". Apart from that, I can't think of anything else. I've
been using Wikipedia for quite a while now so it's second-nature to me, so I
could have missed some things. Also, I only have experience with using JAWS for
Windows with MediaWiki, so I'm not sure how well other screen readers would
handle it.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’ll look at the issue he mentioned to see if I can solve it
(edit buttons), but on the whole I think we could hold our head up high on the
accessibility front for people using JAWS at least.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alistair
McNaught<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 29 April 2009 09:30<br>
<b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Xerte] Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Useful info Mark – many thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I can look into this but not able to for a couple of days..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That still leaves the issues about audience and trusted
contributors to be considered..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>A<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark
Tomlinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 29 April 2009 09:05<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Xerte discussion list'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Xerte] Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Apparently Mediawiki is : “</span><span lang=EN>almost
accessible for blind users”</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="http://blind.wikia.com/wiki/Mediawiki_and_Accessibility">http://blind.wikia.com/wiki/Mediawiki_and_Accessibility</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The main issue I believe centres around the use of
Captcha. The one I integrated does not use the visual verification
method, but asks the user to solve a simple maths problem. I would assume
that a screen reader could read this, but I have not tested it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alistair
McNaught<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 28 April 2009 21:09<br>
<b>To:</b> Julian Tenney; ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk; Xerte discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Xerte] Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Just catching up with this thread. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I agree that a collaborative area for creating support materials
is a great idea but I think we ought to exercise some caution before making any
single place the centre of the universe </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My main concerns are<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Vandalism /spamming etc. We love Xerte but if I was a commercial
developer making a tidy income from selling overpriced underfeatured software I
might not love the threat Xerte provided to my income. I suggest that some sort
of ‘trusted status’ should be applied for access to the main support materials.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Horses for courses – MediaWiki is fine and dandy for coders but
if we wanted to set up an area where teaching practitioners could share ideas,
applications, examples, simple questions etc we’d need a much simpler system.
I’m an experienced Tiddlywiki user but looking at the help pages on formatting
and conventions made me think… I can’t be bothered… I haven’t got time to
remember some obscure code convention for placing an image on the page or
italicising text.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Accessibility – it would be embarrassing if the much vaunted (by
us at any rate) accessibility features of Xerte were documented on an inaccessible
wiki page. I’ve not yet had a chance to get a screenreader user to test the
page but I certainly wouldn’t want to push this out before having done so.
There are 14 tests for assessing the accessibility of web2 services (see <a
href="http://www.web2access.org.uk">www.web2access.org.uk</a>) and I’d want to
be sure we could meet most of them before putting my name to a Xerte centre of
the universe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Certainly the wiki could be invaluable at putting together the <b>specifications
</b>for training and support materials – and it may well be appropriate for <b>hosting</b>
the materials themselves but I think there needs to be rather more debate on
the matter and this might be the sort of thing that is thrashed out in relation
to the XPERT project meeting in May.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Alistair<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Julian Tenney
[mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 28 April 2009 12:22<br>
<b>To:</b> ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk; Alistair McNaught<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Xerte] Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think we should concentrate on making wiki.xerte.net the
centre of the known universe. We need all the documentation – from us, from the
xpert project, from other contributers to live in one place where it can easily
be updated and maintained. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>RonM<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Xerte discussion list'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Xerte] Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Apologies if this comes
through twice but I sent this at 10.40 this morning and it hasn’t appeared on
the list yet. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;
color:#1F497D'>L</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Julian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Apologies for not responding
sooner – was delivering Toolkits training all day yesterday.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>When we were discussing the
use of a wiki off-list recently I was thinking that would be for developing the
spec for the support material rather than the actual support material. But as
has been suggested subsequently an installation of MediaWiki might do both <a
href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki</a>
as an example a lot of the moodle documentation is provided via MediaWiki <a
href="http://docs.moodle.org/en/Main_Page">http://docs.moodle.org/en/Main_Page</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ron<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><a name="_MailEndCompose"></a><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Patrick
Lockley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 28 April 2009 10:49<br>
<b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Xerte] Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:blue'>I did quite a bit on <a
href="http://www.installationwiki.org">www.installationwiki.org</a> re toolkits
guidance, and then some spammer wrecked it and all my work got deleted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark
Tomlinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 28 April 2009 10:49<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Xerte discussion list'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Xerte] Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ll see what I can do….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Patrick
Lockley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 28 April 2009 10:38<br>
<b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Xerte] Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:blue'>I made an account as well, but
my inner pedant says Captcha?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark
Tomlinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 28 April 2009 09:44<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Xerte discussion list'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Xerte] Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jules<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think people can simply
create their own accounts??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Anyone an expert on media
wiki on the list??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 27 April 2009 21:25<br>
<b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Xerte] Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I think there needs to be
documentation for people developing the software, and documentation for people
using the software. It could be in the same place, or in different places as
the two groups will have quite different requirements. Googlecode happened to
have a convenient wiki which is what Pat has started to use today. Sourceforge
have also just approved my project request, so now is a good time for us to
decide google code or sourceforge once and for all. I might set up a project on
soirceforge anyway adn then we can vote or something. You can see the
google code pages already. I like the simplicity a lot - it fits well with our
FWS design principles for the software itself.</span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Mark - how would we add users to the wiki you
set up? That (or something similar) should probably host the bulk of the user
docs, and be the one place for info on using Xerte in its various forms. I
would love it if someone were to step forward and take on managing that space.</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>We have several people primed to start
creating documentation and I'm keen it doesn't become fragmented. </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Alistair and Ron: would a wiki meet your
needs? wiki.xerte.net in particular. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>J</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:108.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk on behalf of Patrick Lockley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mon 27/04/2009 19:10<br>
<b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Xerte] Wiki</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>10 repositories.</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>1 for those that speak binary, 1 for those
that don't - or grom my take so far on the installs of XOT, we have the
sysadmin types who would want the scope to do whatever they wanted, and the
dabblers who want something a little more light.</span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:108.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk on behalf of Dave Burnett<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mon 27/04/2009 17:22<br>
<b>To:</b> Xerte list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Xerte] Wiki</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:108.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
Totally your call, but I'm not sure about the facility of splitting
locations...<br>
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<br>
> Subject: RE: [Xerte] Wiki<br>
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:09:40 +0100<br>
> From: Patrick.Lockley@nottingham.ac.uk<br>
> To: xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>
> <br>
> Can do both - I see the google one as the trouble shooter<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>
> [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark<br>
> Tomlinson<br>
> Sent: 27 April 2009 17:06<br>
> To: 'Xerte discussion list'<br>
> Subject: RE: [Xerte] Wiki<br>
> <br>
> I spoke to Julian about this a while back and I did set one up then on:<br>
> <br>
> http://wiki.xerte.net<br>
> <br>
> I never got round to publicising it though :-(<br>
> <br>
> Mark<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk<br>
> [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Patrick<br>
> Lockley<br>
> Sent: 27 April 2009 17:01<br>
> To: Xerte discussion list<br>
> Subject: [Xerte] Wiki<br>
> <br>
> http://code.google.com/p/xerte/w/list<br>
> <br>
> Your wish is our command, if your wishes are based primarily on wikis<br>
> that is :)<br>
> <br>
> Patrick Lockley<br>
> IS Learning Team<br>
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