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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>We've always been quite clear that Xerte is a tool for developers, who write some code. It is not in our interests to mislead people and we certainly don't intend to. The overview page of the website makes this quite clear I think. </FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>I'm sorry your expectations were somehow different.</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk on behalf of Jude Clark<BR><B>Sent:</B> Fri 22/08/2008 15:05<BR><B>To:</B> Xerte discussion list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Xerte] problem importing xerte scorm package into moodle<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>now i'm too frustrated for words but i'm going to try and explain becaus ei think feedback is useful.</DIV>
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<DIV>i am not a developer but i did not think xerte was a developer tool - i thought it was an content authoring tool and thats what i do - author content. </DIV>
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<DIV>i have now tried to change the size of the display - it won't let me amend the bit of code - i guess some form f pretection on the file.</DIV>
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<DIV>so i thought i'll try again and choose scorm 1.2 package from the options see if i get better luck with everything - then i realise that the files i have created using the template wizerd are not .rlo and so i do appear to be able to open them in the main xerte AI to be able to package as scorm 1.2. without the wizerd xerte would be too time consuming for us to get content out - because we are looking for a very quick treatment of our content for output - not a development timeframe of days for one object.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>heck - i've done my best but i suggest you change the wording on the website - this appears to me to be more of a developers tool than a rapid course authoring tool for people like me who just want a tool to create content and package it simply. </DIV>
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<DIV>from your website:</DIV>
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<P><EM>If you don't write code yet, you will be able to use Xerte to integrate text, graphics, animations, sounds and video, create simple interactivity, and deliver it in an accessible interface. Content can be SCORM compliant for delivery in any LMS or VLE. </EM></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>grrrhhhhh feeling very frustrated that i have now spent best part of two days faffing with this for nothing - i so wanted it to work because i liked the way the templates looked and what it said it delivered</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2008/8/22 Jude Clark <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:jude.clark@gmail.com">jude.clark@gmail.com</A>></SPAN><BR>
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<DIV>i'm surprised - but i do understand what you are suggesting - however this level of coding/config is out of the question (even if i could challenge my little brain to do it) because the company involved has no-one who would then be able to take this over to continue.</DIV>
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<DIV>we need something which just works within moodle without custom coding - while course template level customisations would have been ok individual customisations/coding on courses would be prohibtive - if that makes sense<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>In theory, saving the data is straightforward. Throughout a quiz, you keep score in a variable called score. When you want to set the value of score in the LMS, you use the script </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>_level0.setValue('cmi.core.score.raw', score);</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>This assumes that the variable score contains the value you want to set in the LMS. You'll need some script thoughout the quiz, to judge questions, and if correct, increment score.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Similarly to get the score if the user return to the quiz you can use </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>lastScore = _level0.getValue('cmi.core.score.raw');</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>The scripting you use to manage the score throughout the quiz is likely to be more complicated than the simple calls to set and get the values from the LMS.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>You will need to get familiar with the SCORM documentation, and it would be worthwhile installing the test suite for the version of SCORM your LMS suports (last time I looked, Moodle claimed to support 2004, but in reality it didn't when I tested it).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know there are others on the list here with good knowledge of the SCORM who can also help and advise.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>thanks i will try the stage size thing </DIV>
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<DIV>regarding the code - no its not a show stopper if its something that i do once per course/object and if its not too complex. </DIV>
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<DIV>I am working for a company who have a large number of legacy (face2face/written) courses/content which they are going to convert/republish as scorm objects in moodle - I am more of an instructional designer than a developer and so i know what we want to achieve and i am happy to learn to use a tool to create what we want - but the development time per course is critical - and they don't have an in house developer (because there are no other developer requirements in the company) - thats why i am exploring a range of different tools - to see which will deliver the professional output we want - sit happily in moodle - give us a bit of data back for tracking and with shortest learning curve for me and whoever i have to teach this process to in the company.<BR>:)</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>You can determine the size of the learningObject by setting the stageSize property on the Learning Object icon, i.e. to 550,400, and then re-publish the files.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>To exchange data with an LMS you will need to write some code. Is that a showstopper for you? We can help you, but before we get stuck in, it would be useful to know if you want to proceed down that road, and what it is you want to achieve.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>thanks,</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target=_blank>xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</A> on behalf of Patrick Lockley<BR><B>Sent:</B> Fri 22/08/2008 11:02<BR><B>To:</B> Xerte discussion list<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Xerte] problem importing xerte scorm package into moodle<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Hello,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm guessing from the emails (not sent to the list) you are using templates.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>As such the div which holds the template and affects the way the rlo will appear on the screen will be the same size as the rlo. You could set the style to have the style scrollable, (style="overflow:scroll") and then make the div smaller, but I suspect it would look awful.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target=_blank>xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</A> on behalf of Jude Clark<BR><B>Sent:</B> Fri 22/08/2008 10:33<BR><B>To:</B> Xerte discussion list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Xerte] problem importing xerte scorm package into moodle<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>i have two new issues and i would really like to figure these out because i really want to use xerte</DIV>
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<DIV>1. the display size of a the scorm object produced is too big for moodle and the the moodle settings do not appear to have any effect on over-riding this. Can i change the display size of the scorm package easily or not?</DIV>
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<DIV>2) because i'm not a techy i cannot see easily what meta data is exchanged - in other authoring tools i am trialing i can choose what data i want to exchange (not sure of the correct terminology here) - someone on here said that there are issues with xerte 'talking to' some LMS - can someone help me on this - i need to know what level of data i can expect my scorm object built in xerte to exachange easily (without going to code level writing) with moodle - for example i would like it to report assessment scores from within a scorm, not just started, completed level data. - does that make sense? </DIV>
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<DIV>3) does anyone know of anyone who is using xerte to create scorm objects for moodle??</DIV>
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<DIV>many thanks </DIV>
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