From konstantin73 at yandex.ru  Wed Jul  2 12:05:09 2014
From: konstantin73 at yandex.ru (=?koi8-r?B?68/O09TBztTJziD7xdPUwcvP1w==?=)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 15:05:09 +0400
Subject: [Xerte] integration of Xerte toolkit in our site Webilang.com
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From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com  Wed Jul  2 13:16:03 2014
From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat L (pgogy))
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 13:16:03 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: integration of Xerte toolkit in our site Webilang.com
In-Reply-To: <858441404299109@web12j.yandex.ru>
References: <858441404299109@web12j.yandex.ru>
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Hello,
If you are a coder, then our xerte-dev list might be better.

1) Xerte supports SCORM so that is how it would track a test, so there
isn't a database you can use (but you could change it)
2) It isn't stored within Xerte itself
3) Lots of authentication options exist

Pat


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:05 PM, ?????????? ???????? <konstantin73 at yandex.ru
> wrote:

> Hello!
> I have some questions about integration of Xerte toolkit in our site
> Webilang.com
>
> The site combines features of a blog and and LMS - but not in a classical
> moodle-like LMS - we designed our own module to select and analyse and
> present the data of students' taking tests. We have our own test toolkit
> but we would like to switch to Xerte's one.
>
> Is there a possibility to save statistics of users' performance when they
> do tests in Xerte toolkit in Xerte's toolkit database?
> Is it possible to extract selectively this statistics by an external
> script?
> Is it possible to get authorised to take a Xerte-based test using the same
> login and password that is used by the student on our site?
>
> Best.
> Konstantin
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Fri Jul  4 09:48:52 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 09:48:52 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D9077E2E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>

I'm just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He's currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

I think the results are really good, and it's taken some time to get right. I'm interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?

What I'm interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn't have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We're not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it's more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.

Ideas?

Thanks,

Julian




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From johnbijnens1 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 09:59:43 2014
From: johnbijnens1 at gmail.com (John Bijnens)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 10:59:43 +0200
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D9077E2E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D9077E2E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <53B66CFF.3010502@gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm very curious to know how this is done using PowerPoint.
I guess a movie is made out of a lot of individual frames (with the use of e.g. something like Camtasia)  and then afterwards a voice is placed on top of it.
If this is the way it is done, this is a very tedious time consuming activity.
Perhaps an opensource software package like e.g. synfig can make things a little bit easier.
You can find more information about synfig on the following link
     http://www.synfig.org/cms/

This is a very interesting thing. I'm very anxious to know more about how this is done.

Best regards,

     John Bijnens

On 4/07/2014 10:48, Julian Tenney wrote:
>
> I'm just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He's currently using powerpoint 
> to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
> I think the results are really good, and it's taken some time to get right. I'm interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: 
> maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?
>
> What I'm interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn't have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen 
> capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We're not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it's more about simple 
> approaches that are easy and quick to do.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julian
>
>
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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Fri Jul  4 10:20:35 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 10:20:35 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D9077E2E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D9077E2E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA7481@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>

I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University
Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
________________________________________
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48
To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)
Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation

I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?

What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.

Ideas?

Thanks,

Julian






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From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com  Fri Jul  4 11:50:22 2014
From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat L (pgogy))
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 11:50:22 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
In-Reply-To: <EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA7481@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D9077E2E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
	<EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA7481@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <CAO2PinOwmonpLTtCHD3d9mQqiQn1BG-UgRj77ibkK5NfEh2yew@mail.gmail.com>

Will the drawing tool make the html5 editor?
I think it'd be fun to have a sort of online after effects


On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

> I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then
> add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a
> predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to
> tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do
> something like that...
>
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
> Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences |
> Glasgow Caledonian University
> Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>
> Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the
> School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that
> all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
> Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48
> To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)
> Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>
> I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we
> have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using
> powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
> I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
> right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and
> efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?
>
> What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this
> sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture
> of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process
> for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s
> more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julian
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk  Fri Jul  4 11:44:19 2014
From: Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk (Alistair McNaught)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 10:44:19 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
In-Reply-To: <EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA7481@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D9077E2E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
	<EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA7481@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <F0AEBF37A5C5AB4A852BCBA19A9132507B4D39@HEAEXCHMBX01.HEAcademy.ac.uk>

>From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

*         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

*         drawing the first frame

*         duplicating the slide

*         making the small changes needed for the second frame

*         duplicating the second frame

*         repeating

*         save finished presentation as gifs

*         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

*         Save as animated gif.

*         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn't allow onion skinning etc but I've produced several things using this approach - see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 04 July 2014 10:21
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



John Smith | Learning Technologist

Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA



Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk> where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.

________________________________________

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]

Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)

Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I'm just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He's currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it's taken some time to get right. I'm interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I'm interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn't have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We're not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it's more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com  Fri Jul  4 11:12:51 2014
From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat L (pgogy))
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 11:12:51 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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Maybe Popcorn?

https://popcorn.webmaker.org/

Could make a popcorn module?


On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Julian Tenney <
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we
> have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using
> powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>
>
> I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
> right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and
> efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?
>
>
>
> What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this
> sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture
> of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process
> for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s
> more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.
>
>
>
> Ideas?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Julian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and
> may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in
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From johnbijnens1 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 12:44:47 2014
From: johnbijnens1 at gmail.com (John Bijnens)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 13:44:47 +0200
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
In-Reply-To: <F0AEBF37A5C5AB4A852BCBA19A9132507B4D39@HEAEXCHMBX01.HEAcademy.ac.uk>
References: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D9077E2E4@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>	<EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA7481@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
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Message-ID: <53B693AF.2020703@gmail.com>

Thanks for sharing.
Very interesting. I hadn't thought about using software like Photoscape or UnFreez to determine the frame delays.
Great idea.

Best regards,

    John Bijnens

On 4/07/2014 12:44, Alistair McNaught wrote:
>
> From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by
>
> ?setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)
>
> ?drawing the first frame
>
> ?duplicating the slide
>
> ?making the small changes needed for the second frame
>
> ?duplicating the second frame
>
> ?repeating
>
> ?save finished presentation as gifs
>
> ?use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.
>
> ?Save as animated gif.
>
> ?Add to any relevant Xerte page
>
> There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn't allow onion skinning 
> etc but I've produced several things using this approach -- see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is 
> illustrated.
>
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
> Sent: 04 July 2014 10:21
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
> I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script 
> (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...
>
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
>
> Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>
> Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk <mailto:hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk> where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This 
> will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
>
> ________________________________________
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney 
> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
>
> Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48
>
> To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk <mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>
> I'm just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He's currently using powerpoint 
> to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
> I think the results are really good, and it's taken some time to get right. I'm interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: 
> maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?
>
> What I'm interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn't have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen 
> capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We're not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it's more about simple 
> approaches that are easy and quick to do.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julian
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From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com  Fri Jul  4 13:13:24 2014
From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat L (pgogy))
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 13:13:24 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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Would an animated gif maker be a good template?


On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <
Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk> wrote:

>  From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by
>
> ?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page
> dimensions)
>
> ?         drawing the first frame
>
> ?         duplicating the slide
>
> ?         making the small changes needed for the second frame
>
> ?         duplicating the second frame
>
> ?         repeating
>
> ?         save finished presentation as gifs
>
> ?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no
> admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.
>
> ?         Save as animated gif.
>
> ?         Add to any relevant Xerte page
>
>
>
> There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is
> really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion
> skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see
> slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach
> transect process is illustrated.
>
>
>
> A
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
> Sent: 04 July 2014 10:21
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then
> add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a
> predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to
> tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do
> something like that...
>
>
>
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
>
> Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences |
> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>
>
>
> Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the
> School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that
> all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
>
> ________________________________________
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
>
> Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48
>
> To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>
>
>
> I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we
> have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using
> powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>
>
> I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
> right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and
> efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?
>
>
>
> What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this
> sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture
> of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process
> for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s
> more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.
>
>
>
> Ideas?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Julian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Fri Jul  4 13:30:01 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 13:30:01 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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You could add folders so you can do things in parallel or in sequence too. I think it would get complicated though, and it might be hard to do it visually,

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 04 July 2014 10:21
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
________________________________________
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48
To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)
Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation

I'm just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He's currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

I think the results are really good, and it's taken some time to get right. I'm interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?

What I'm interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn't have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We're not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it's more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.

Ideas?

Thanks,

Julian






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From Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk  Fri Jul  4 14:30:28 2014
From: Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk (Alistair McNaught)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 13:30:28 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

[cid:image001.jpg at 01CF9794.7FFE25F0]



A





-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 04 July 2014 10:21
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



John Smith | Learning Technologist

Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA



Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk> where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.

________________________________________

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>]

Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)

Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Fri Jul  4 14:45:56 2014
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In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:


-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;

-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);

-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow

-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;

Does it sound like it might work?

Does that work with your real world use cases?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



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Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From zbigniew.misiak at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 15:22:11 2014
From: zbigniew.misiak at gmail.com (Zbigniew Misiak)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 16:22:11 +0200
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Xerte-Moodle login integration question
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Thanks a lot Ron,

Worked like a charm.

Best regards,

Zbigniew


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From: Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk (Alistair McNaught)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 14:42:26 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc)

That?s the bit I don?t really get. Whilst you are narrating you don?t want to be fiddling around dragging in the next bit. I?d want to see the assembly of the animation as a separate activity. Once it?s assembled and working nicely then by all means narrate like the existing audio slideshow. Animated gifs can be great but better still is something that allows a control bar because you want to give the user the chance to pause and make notes or reflect ? its also good accessibility practice..


-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow
Yes, they would be great. I think we need to be realistic about the sort of things a user would need to take on board though. They?d need to think about stacking order, frame delay, transparency etc. These aren?t concepts everyone would be familiar with initially but if the tool was easy enough to use maybe they could get it.



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



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Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)

Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat L (pgogy))
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 15:46:05 +0100
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recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?


On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:
>
>
>
> -          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A
> background, and items that can move;
>
> -          The presenter talks through the content and creates the
> animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate
> to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves
> etc);
>
> -          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast /
> move slow
>
> -          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of
> the presentation;
>
>
>
> Does it sound like it might work?
>
>
>
> Does that work with your real world use cases?
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Alistair McNaught
> *Sent:* 04 July 2014 14:30
> *To:* xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; Xerte discussion list
>
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> If it was easy for end user it would be great
>
>
>
> A
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] *On Behalf Of *Pat L (pgogy)
> *Sent:* 04 July 2014 13:13
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Would an animated gif maker be a good template?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <
> Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by
>
> ?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page
> dimensions)
>
> ?         drawing the first frame
>
> ?         duplicating the slide
>
> ?         making the small changes needed for the second frame
>
> ?         duplicating the second frame
>
> ?         repeating
>
> ?         save finished presentation as gifs
>
> ?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no
> admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.
>
> ?         Save as animated gif.
>
> ?         Add to any relevant Xerte page
>
>
>
> There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is
> really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion
> skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see
> slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach
> transect process is illustrated.
>
>
>
> A
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
> Sent: 04 July 2014 10:21
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then
> add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a
> predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to
> tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do
> something like that...
>
>
>
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
>
> Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences |
> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>
>
>
> Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the
> School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that
> all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
>
> ________________________________________
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
>
> Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48
>
> To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>
>
>
> I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we
> have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using
> powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>
>
> I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
> right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and
> efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?
>
>
>
> What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this
> sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture
> of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process
> for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s
> more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.
>
>
>
> Ideas?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Julian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk  Fri Jul  4 20:11:26 2014
From: Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk (Alistair McNaught)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 19:11:26 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:


-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;

-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);

-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow

-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;

Does it sound like it might work?

Does that work with your real world use cases?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list

Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 04 July 2014 10:21
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>]

Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)

Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Sun Jul  6 11:19:21 2014
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 11:19:21 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?

 

Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.

 

That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

 

Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.

 

In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.

 

If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5 <http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2> &_36#resume=2 

 

It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.

 

Ron

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 20:11
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

 

Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options J

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

 

recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?

 

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:

 

-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;

-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);

-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow

-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;

 

Does it sound like it might work?

 

Does that work with your real world use cases?

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; Xerte discussion list


Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

 

If it was easy for end user it would be great

 

A

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

 

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

 

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk> wrote:

>From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by 

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame 

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page

 

There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.



 

A

 

 

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 04 July 2014 10:21
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

 

I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...

 

John Smith | Learning Technologist

Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

 

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From:  <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]

Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation

 

I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:  <http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

 

I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?

 

What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.

 

Ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Julian

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk  Sun Jul  6 15:36:39 2014
From: Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk (Alistair McNaught)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 14:36:39 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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>would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects

I've often felt that a "multiple transitions" option on the Morph page type would be nice but then I guess much of that functionality would be similar to button navigator..

A

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From: Ron Mitchell<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
Sent: ?06/?07/?2014 11:19
To: 'Xerte discussion list'<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?

Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.

That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.

In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.

If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2

It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.

Ron

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 20:11
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options :)

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:


-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;

-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);

-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow

-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;

Does it sound like it might work?

Does that work with your real world use cases?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list

Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

>From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



John Smith | Learning Technologist

Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA



Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk> where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.

________________________________________

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>]

Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)

Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From knowledgeware at kccsoft.com  Sun Jul  6 19:53:59 2014
From: knowledgeware at kccsoft.com (KnowledgeWare)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 11:53:59 -0700
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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Hello Pat:

Sorry if I?m missing something here, but did you use PPT to create the image in slide 4 ? then saved as an animated gif?

I see you are using Google forms on several pages?.I?ve not used them but that looks very useful as long as the data can be retrieved easily.

RonM2 

There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.



 

 

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From dbrown61 at une.edu.au  Mon Jul  7 00:41:51 2014
From: dbrown61 at une.edu.au (Douglas Brown)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 09:41:51 +1000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.

[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]

I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.

I?m running a Mac.

Something to fix in the next version, eh?

Cheers,
[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]

Douglas Brown
Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]

From: Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
Reply-To: Xerte discussion list <xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
To: "Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)" <xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation

I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?

What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.

Ideas?

Thanks,

Julian






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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 01:11:41 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 01:11:41 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
Message-ID: <hjfn6hvdk8mx0umf834heo6x.1404691899064@email.android.com>

Hi Douglas

That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are you loading it from a server?

Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer console for errors or missing (404) files.

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII



Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:


While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.

[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]

I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.

I?m running a Mac.

Something to fix in the next version, eh?

Cheers,
[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]

Douglas Brown
Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]

From: Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
Reply-To: Xerte discussion list <xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
To: "Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)" <xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation

I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?

What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.

Ideas?

Thanks,

Julian






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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 01:11:41 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 01:11:41 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
Message-ID: <hjfn6hvdk8mx0umf834heo6x.1404691899064@email.android.com>

Hi Douglas

That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are you loading it from a server?

Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer console for errors or missing (404) files.

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII



Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:


While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.

[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]

I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.

I?m running a Mac.

Something to fix in the next version, eh?

Cheers,
[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]

Douglas Brown
Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]

From: Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
Reply-To: Xerte discussion list <xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
To: "Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)" <xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation

I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?

What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.

Ideas?

Thanks,

Julian






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From dbrown61 at une.edu.au  Mon Jul  7 02:12:51 2014
From: dbrown61 at une.edu.au (Douglas Brown)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:12:51 +1000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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John,

I ran the 

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711


In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.

What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can run
with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that
is causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running
Xerte can do to overcome it :/

Cheers, 

Douglas Brown

Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G







On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

>Hi Douglas
>
>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading
>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are
>you loading it from a server?
>
>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never
>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer
>console for errors or missing (404) files.
>
>Regards
>
>John Smith
>Learning Technologist
>School of Health and Life Sciences
>
>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>
>
>
>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this one
>small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.
>
>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>
>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that once
>the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And there is
>whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>
>I?m running a Mac.
>
>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>
>Cheers,
>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>
>Douglas Brown
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
>
>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
>
>From: Julian Tenney
><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list
><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
>To: "Xerte discussion list
>(xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)"
><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>
>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we
>have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently
>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast
>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are
>others?
>
>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this
>sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a
>mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating
>the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash
>developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to
>do.
>
>Ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Julian
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 08:34:01 2014
From: Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk (Alistair McNaught)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 07:34:01 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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Hi Ron
It?s Alistair that created the learning object ? Pat does different clever stuff ?

Yes, I used PowerPoint as described ? NOT the inbuilt PPT animation but something much simpler, just creating the key slide, duplicating it, tweaking, duplicating the tweaked one and retweaking etc.

This gave me a bunch of individual slides, each a separate animation frame. Save those as .gif from the PPT Save as options then merge the ten or so gif images that result into an animated gif using an appropriate tool (Photoscape/Unfreez if you can?t afford commercial tools).

The Google forms drop in nicely using the Navigator > Embed content page

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of KnowledgeWare
Sent: 06 July 2014 19:54
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation


Hello Pat:

Sorry if I?m missing something here, but did you use PPT to create the image in slide 4 ? then saved as an animated gif?

I see you are using Google forms on several pages?.I?ve not used them but that looks very useful as long as the data can be retrieved easily.

RonM2

There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 08:47:34 2014
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 08:47:34 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Safari question
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Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on iPad,
Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try again.
Ron

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Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

John,

I ran the 

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711


In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.

What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can run
with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that is
causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running Xerte
can do to overcome it :/

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On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

>Hi Douglas
>
>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading 
>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are 
>you loading it from a server?
>
>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never 
>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer 
>console for errors or missing (404) files.
>
>Regards
>
>John Smith
>Learning Technologist
>School of Health and Life Sciences
>
>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>
>
>
>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this 
>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.
>
>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>
>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that 
>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And 
>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>
>I?m running a Mac.
>
>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>
>Cheers,
>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>
>Douglas Brown
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
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>From: Julian Tenney
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>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>
>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: 
>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently 
>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get 
>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast 
>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are 
>others?
>
>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for 
>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be 
>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and 
>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into 
>Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and 
>quick to do.
>
>Ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Julian
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 09:35:57 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 09:35:57 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.

Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?

Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.

That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.

In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.

If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2

It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.

Ron

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 20:11
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:


-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;

-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);

-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow

-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;

Does it sound like it might work?

Does that work with your real world use cases?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>]

Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 10:02:27 2014
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:02:27 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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> but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings<

 

I get that too and certainly wasn't suggesting there were shortcomings in what your colleague had produced. I guess my point was that there are different solutions for each type of animation required e.g. animated gifs, animations saved with narration as movies, interactive animations. Your colleague could just as easily add simple interaction to the same animation and then convert with iSpring rather than save as a movie. That may not be needed all the time but I would guess there are occasions where it might be useful and it's the same tool just different export option.

 

Tools like Powtoon might be a suitable online solution?

 

HTH

Ron

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 07 July 2014 09:36
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

 

> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

 

I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.

 

Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

 

Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?

 

Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.

 

That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

 

Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.

 

In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.

 

If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5 <http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2> &_36#resume=2 

 

It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.

 

Ron

 

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Sent: 04 July 2014 20:11
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

 

Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options J

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

 

recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?

 

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:

 

-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;

-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);

-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow

-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;

 

Does it sound like it might work?

 

Does that work with your real world use cases?

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; Xerte discussion list


Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

 

If it was easy for end user it would be great

 

A

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

 

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

 

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk> wrote:

>From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by 

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame 

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page

 

There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.



 

A

 

 

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 04 July 2014 10:21
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

 

I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...

 

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From:  <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]

Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

To: Xerte discussion list ( <mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)

Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation

 

I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:  <http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

 

I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?

 

What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.

 

Ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Julian

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 10:08:25 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:08:25 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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Hi,

I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...

I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.

I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...

People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?

Regards,

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.

Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?

Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.

That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.

In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.

If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2

It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.

Ron

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 20:11
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:


-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;

-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);

-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow

-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;

Does it sound like it might work?

Does that work with your real world use cases?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list

Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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Sent: 04 July 2014 10:21
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



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Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk> where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>]

Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)

Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 10:13:44 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:13:44 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a timeline...

...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move / scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 07 July 2014 10:08
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Hi,

I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...

I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.

I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...

People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.

Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?

Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.

That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.

In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.

If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2

It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.

Ron

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 20:11
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:


-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;

-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);

-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow

-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;

Does it sound like it might work?

Does that work with your real world use cases?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list

Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



John Smith | Learning Technologist

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Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk> where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>]

Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 10:29:52 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:29:52 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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> I?d want to see the assembly of the animation as a separate activity.

Do you fit the animation to the recorded narration, or do you try and time your narration to fir the animation? i.e. Record narration first, then animate - or other way round?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 15:42
To: Xerte discussion list; xerte at pgogywebstuff.com
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation


-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc)

That?s the bit I don?t really get. Whilst you are narrating you don?t want to be fiddling around dragging in the next bit. I?d want to see the assembly of the animation as a separate activity. Once it?s assembled and working nicely then by all means narrate like the existing audio slideshow. Animated gifs can be great but better still is something that allows a control bar because you want to give the user the chance to pause and make notes or reflect ? its also good accessibility practice..


-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow
Yes, they would be great. I think we need to be realistic about the sort of things a user would need to take on board though. They?d need to think about stacking order, frame delay, transparency etc. These aren?t concepts everyone would be familiar with initially but if the tool was easy enough to use maybe they could get it.



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
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To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

[cid:image001.jpg at 01CF99CE.6382C160]



A





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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



John Smith | Learning Technologist

Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA



Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk> where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.

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Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



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From Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 10:41:27 2014
From: Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk (Alistair McNaught)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 09:41:27 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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I guess it depends on personal preference as well as context. My gut reaction would be to create the animation first and then narrate it live because it is considerably easier to add a pause or to speak a little faster/slower where needed than it is to tweak lots of individual frame timings to fit the audio.

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 07 July 2014 10:30
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

> I?d want to see the assembly of the animation as a separate activity.

Do you fit the animation to the recorded narration, or do you try and time your narration to fir the animation? i.e. Record narration first, then animate - or other way round?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation


-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc)

That?s the bit I don?t really get. Whilst you are narrating you don?t want to be fiddling around dragging in the next bit. I?d want to see the assembly of the animation as a separate activity. Once it?s assembled and working nicely then by all means narrate like the existing audio slideshow. Animated gifs can be great but better still is something that allows a control bar because you want to give the user the chance to pause and make notes or reflect ? its also good accessibility practice..


-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow
Yes, they would be great. I think we need to be realistic about the sort of things a user would need to take on board though. They?d need to think about stacking order, frame delay, transparency etc. These aren?t concepts everyone would be familiar with initially but if the tool was easy enough to use maybe they could get it.



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 10:44:53 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:44:53 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
Message-ID: <qoevkm594mo9brtd3exbi4dw.1404726291166@email.android.com>

I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good github project that i think would attract developers.

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII


Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:


It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a timeline...

...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move / scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 07 July 2014 10:08
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Hi,

I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...

I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.

I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...

People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.

Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?

Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.

That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.

In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.

If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2

It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.

Ron

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 20:11
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:


-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;

-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);

-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow

-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;

Does it sound like it might work?

Does that work with your real world use cases?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list

Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 11:00:28 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:00:28 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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> than it is to tweak lots of individual frame timings to fit the audio
In powerpoint, yes, but not on a  timeline. I?d much rather animate to the narration. Maybe we should have a race! Actually thyat might be fun: take a general subject like the water cycle and see which approaches work best?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 07 July 2014 10:41
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

I guess it depends on personal preference as well as context. My gut reaction would be to create the animation first and then narrate it live because it is considerably easier to add a pause or to speak a little faster/slower where needed than it is to tweak lots of individual frame timings to fit the audio.

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

> I?d want to see the assembly of the animation as a separate activity.

Do you fit the animation to the recorded narration, or do you try and time your narration to fir the animation? i.e. Record narration first, then animate - or other way round?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation


-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc)

That?s the bit I don?t really get. Whilst you are narrating you don?t want to be fiddling around dragging in the next bit. I?d want to see the assembly of the animation as a separate activity. Once it?s assembled and working nicely then by all means narrate like the existing audio slideshow. Animated gifs can be great but better still is something that allows a control bar because you want to give the user the chance to pause and make notes or reflect ? its also good accessibility practice..


-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow
Yes, they would be great. I think we need to be realistic about the sort of things a user would need to take on board though. They?d need to think about stacking order, frame delay, transparency etc. These aren?t concepts everyone would be familiar with initially but if the tool was easy enough to use maybe they could get it.



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>]

Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  7 11:03:06 2014
From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 06:03:06 -0400
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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RomM2 sent me a link to this a while back.
It an HTML5 game maker, but the physics package may lend itself to easy animations.  
http://www.scirra.com/labs/physics/index.html
Dave


> From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk
> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:44:53 +0100
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
> 
> I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good github project that i think would attract developers.
> 
> Regards
> 
> John Smith
> Learning Technologist
> School of Health and Life Sciences
> 
> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
> 
> 
> Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a timeline...
> 
> ...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move / scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
> Sent: 07 July 2014 10:08
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...
> 
> I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.
> 
> I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...
> 
> People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
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> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
> Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
> 
> > That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.
> 
> I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.
> 
> Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.
> 
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
> Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19
> To: 'Xerte discussion list'
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
> 
> Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?
> 
> Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.
> 
> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.
> 
> Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.
> 
> In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.
> 
> If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2
> 
> It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.
> 
> Ron
> 
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
> Sent: 04 July 2014 20:11
> To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
> 
> Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?
> 
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
> Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46
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> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
> 
> recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?
> 
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
> In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:
> 
> 
> -          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;
> 
> -          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);
> 
> -          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow
> 
> -          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;
> 
> Does it sound like it might work?
> 
> Does that work with your real world use cases?
> 
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
> Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
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> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
> 
> If it was easy for end user it would be great
> 
> A
> 
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
> Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
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> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
> 
> Would an animated gif maker be a good template?
> 
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:
> 
> From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by
> 
> ?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)
> 
> ?         drawing the first frame
> 
> ?         duplicating the slide
> 
> ?         making the small changes needed for the second frame
> 
> ?         duplicating the second frame
> 
> ?         repeating
> 
> ?         save finished presentation as gifs
> 
> ?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.
> 
> ?         Save as animated gif.
> 
> ?         Add to any relevant Xerte page
> 
> 
> 
> There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.
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> A
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> Sent: 04 July 2014 10:21
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> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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> 
> 
> I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...
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> Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48
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> To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)
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> Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
> 
> 
> 
> I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
> 
> 
> 
> I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?
> 
> 
> 
> What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.
> 
> 
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
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> Julian
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From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:19:43 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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Do a "how to" seen capture video showing the process. It would probably be useful in your institutions (=justification) and others would definitely be interested.

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:


> than it is to tweak lots of individual frame timings to fit the audio
In powerpoint, yes, but not on a  timeline. I?d much rather animate to the narration. Maybe we should have a race! Actually thyat might be fun: take a general subject like the water cycle and see which approaches work best?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 07 July 2014 10:41
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

I guess it depends on personal preference as well as context. My gut reaction would be to create the animation first and then narrate it live because it is considerably easier to add a pause or to speak a little faster/slower where needed than it is to tweak lots of individual frame timings to fit the audio.

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

> I?d want to see the assembly of the animation as a separate activity.

Do you fit the animation to the recorded narration, or do you try and time your narration to fir the animation? i.e. Record narration first, then animate - or other way round?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation


-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc)

That?s the bit I don?t really get. Whilst you are narrating you don?t want to be fiddling around dragging in the next bit. I?d want to see the assembly of the animation as a separate activity. Once it?s assembled and working nicely then by all means narrate like the existing audio slideshow. Animated gifs can be great but better still is something that allows a control bar because you want to give the user the chance to pause and make notes or reflect ? its also good accessibility practice..


-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow
Yes, they would be great. I think we need to be realistic about the sort of things a user would need to take on board though. They?d need to think about stacking order, frame delay, transparency etc. These aren?t concepts everyone would be familiar with initially but if the tool was easy enough to use maybe they could get it.



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
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To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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Sent: 04 July 2014 10:21
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



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Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)

Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 11:28:26 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:28:26 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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A visual editor for CreateJS. It doesn't see there is one already.

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 07 July 2014 10:45
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good github project that i think would attract developers.

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII


Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:


It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a timeline...

...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move / scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 07 July 2014 10:08
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Hi,

I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...

I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.

I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...

People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.

Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?

Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.

That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.

In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.

If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2

It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.

Ron

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 20:11
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:


-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;

-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);

-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow

-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;

Does it sound like it might work?

Does that work with your real world use cases?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list

Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>]

Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)

Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 11:46:01 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:46:01 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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http://animatron.com/

This is fairly close to what I had in mind. Not sure how easy it is to use in reality though.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 07 July 2014 11:28
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

A visual editor for CreateJS. It doesn't see there is one already.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 07 July 2014 10:45
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good github project that i think would attract developers.

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:


It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a timeline...

...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move / scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 07 July 2014 10:08
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Hi,

I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...

I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.

I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...

People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.

Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?

Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.

That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.

In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.

If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2

It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.

Ron

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 20:11
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:


-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;

-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);

-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow

-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;

Does it sound like it might work?

Does that work with your real world use cases?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 11:58:33 2014
From: Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk (Alistair McNaught)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:58:33 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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For years I?ve wanted to run a ?content creation circus? based around exactly that idea?

Get a bunch of creative people with a very varied range of technical skills and set them some challenges - a bit like scrapheap challenge. They could use any tools they wanted to provided they were free/open source. They would have between one and two hours to create a learning resource. The most valuable aspect of the circus wouldn't be the diverse range of learning resources at the end of the session but it would be the commentary that the performers gave as to why they chose to approach of the way they did and how those choices contributed to the pedagogical approaches, differentiation and skills development that the learner would experience in the final learning activity.

All I lacked was a budget ?

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 07 July 2014 11:00
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

> than it is to tweak lots of individual frame timings to fit the audio
In powerpoint, yes, but not on a  timeline. I?d much rather animate to the narration. Maybe we should have a race! Actually thyat might be fun: take a general subject like the water cycle and see which approaches work best?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 07 July 2014 10:41
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

I guess it depends on personal preference as well as context. My gut reaction would be to create the animation first and then narrate it live because it is considerably easier to add a pause or to speak a little faster/slower where needed than it is to tweak lots of individual frame timings to fit the audio.

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

> I?d want to see the assembly of the animation as a separate activity.

Do you fit the animation to the recorded narration, or do you try and time your narration to fir the animation? i.e. Record narration first, then animate - or other way round?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation


-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc)

That?s the bit I don?t really get. Whilst you are narrating you don?t want to be fiddling around dragging in the next bit. I?d want to see the assembly of the animation as a separate activity. Once it?s assembled and working nicely then by all means narrate like the existing audio slideshow. Animated gifs can be great but better still is something that allows a control bar because you want to give the user the chance to pause and make notes or reflect ? its also good accessibility practice..


-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow
Yes, they would be great. I think we need to be realistic about the sort of things a user would need to take on board though. They?d need to think about stacking order, frame delay, transparency etc. These aren?t concepts everyone would be familiar with initially but if the tool was easy enough to use maybe they could get it.



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>]

Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From d_b_burnett at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  7 12:03:27 2014
From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com (Dave Burnett)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 07:03:27 -0400
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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> All I lacked was a budget
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From Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 12:29:03 2014
From: Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk (Alistair McNaught)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:29:03 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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Looks brilliant but not for the fainthearted and not for doing something quick and simple - a tutor would need familiarity with layers, masks, timelines, nested timelines, paths etc. For simple stuff like the Fieldwork LO quoted earlier in the thread it would be overkill.

A

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 07 July 2014 11:46
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

http://animatron.com/

This is fairly close to what I had in mind. Not sure how easy it is to use in reality though.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 07 July 2014 11:28
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

A visual editor for CreateJS. It doesn't see there is one already.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 07 July 2014 10:45
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good github project that i think would attract developers.

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII


Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:


It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a timeline...

...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move / scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 07 July 2014 10:08
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Hi,

I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...

I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.

I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...

People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?

Regards,

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.

Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?

Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.

That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.

In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.

If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2

It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.

Ron

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 20:11
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:


-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;

-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);

-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow

-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;

Does it sound like it might work?

Does that work with your real world use cases?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list

Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>]

Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 12:35:31 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:35:31 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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Fair enough.

But if you've got time to do animation, you've got time to learn some decent tools to do it efficiently, because it's time consuming at the best of times, and I'd hate people to be doing all that fiddling about in PowerPoint when they could be using a timeline.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 07 July 2014 12:29
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Looks brilliant but not for the fainthearted and not for doing something quick and simple - a tutor would need familiarity with layers, masks, timelines, nested timelines, paths etc. For simple stuff like the Fieldwork LO quoted earlier in the thread it would be overkill.

A

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 07 July 2014 11:46
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

http://animatron.com/

This is fairly close to what I had in mind. Not sure how easy it is to use in reality though.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 07 July 2014 11:28
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

A visual editor for CreateJS. It doesn't see there is one already.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 07 July 2014 10:45
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good github project that i think would attract developers.

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:


It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a timeline...

...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move / scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.

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Sent: 07 July 2014 10:08
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Hi,

I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...

I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.

I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...

People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.

Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?

Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.

That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.

Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.

In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.

If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2

It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.

Ron

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 04 July 2014 20:11
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:


-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;

-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);

-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow

-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;

Does it sound like it might work?

Does that work with your real world use cases?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

If it was easy for end user it would be great

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Would an animated gif maker be a good template?

On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:

From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by

?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)

?         drawing the first frame

?         duplicating the slide

?         making the small changes needed for the second frame

?         duplicating the second frame

?         repeating

?         save finished presentation as gifs

?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.

?         Save as animated gif.

?         Add to any relevant Xerte page



There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.

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A





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I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...



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Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48

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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation



I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?



What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.



Ideas?



Thanks,



Julian













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From: Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk (Alistair McNaught)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:54:07 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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I guess it's all to do with matching ambition to competence.



People with modest ambitions can be encouraged to fulfil those ambitions with the competencies they already have. I could use PowerPoint with photos scape/unfreeze to create water cycles, simple plate tectonics, ozone creation/destruction, simple lab and field techniques etc. None of them would be interactive, just simple linear animations showing the steps involved. For a lot of tutors that would be an exciting stage beyond where they currently are using little more than the skills they already have.



Once you begin to move beyond modest ambitions the "time consuming at the best of times" penalty becomes much more significant and time would be better invested in learning to use a proper tool.



One of the joys of Xerte toolkits is that it spans that whole spectrum, allowing people with modest IT skills to create much more ambitious learning objects than they would have expected, yet still allowing very competent developers to create even more ambitious resources.



From my perspective the ideal "inbuilt" animation tool within toolkits would be oriented at helping the technically modest achieve something they wouldn't have expected to achieve. To this end, possibly a better way of thinking about an animation tool would be to consider pedagogical scenarios. This might be as simple as

?         building up a complex diagram element by element (and elements may include labels)

?         deconstructing a diagram element by element

?         creating simple object paths with auto tweening

The technically competent would already have a wide range of tools and preferences open to them so focusing on the less competent would be a benefit for usability.



A



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Fair enough.



But if you've got time to do animation, you've got time to learn some decent tools to do it efficiently, because it's time consuming at the best of times, and I'd hate people to be doing all that fiddling about in PowerPoint when they could be using a timeline.



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Looks brilliant but not for the fainthearted and not for doing something quick and simple - a tutor would need familiarity with layers, masks, timelines, nested timelines, paths etc. For simple stuff like the Fieldwork LO quoted earlier in the thread it would be overkill.



A



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http://animatron.com/



This is fairly close to what I had in mind. Not sure how easy it is to use in reality though.



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A visual editor for CreateJS. It doesn't see there is one already.



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good github project that i think would attract developers.



Regards



John Smith

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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:





It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a timeline...



...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move / scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Hi,



I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...



I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.



I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...



People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]

Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.



I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.



Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?



Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.



That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.



Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.



In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.



If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2



It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.



Ron



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?



On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:

In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:





-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;



-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);



-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow



-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;



Does it sound like it might work?



Does that work with your real world use cases?



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



If it was easy for end user it would be great



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Would an animated gif maker be a good template?



On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk%3cmailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>>> wrote:



From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by



?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)



?         drawing the first frame



?         duplicating the slide



?         making the small changes needed for the second frame



?         duplicating the second frame



?         repeating



?         save finished presentation as gifs



?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.



?         Save as animated gif.



?         Add to any relevant Xerte page







There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.



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I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...







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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation







I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711







I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?







What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.







Ideas?







Thanks,







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Maybe the idea we have for the video lesson template might be a starting point: the idea is that we have timeline media (video / audio) and then you can add further content in different panes on the screen, and then add elements to those panes, and then do stuff with them ? like animate a graphic from one place to another for example.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 07 July 2014 12:54
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation


I guess it's all to do with matching ambition to competence.



People with modest ambitions can be encouraged to fulfil those ambitions with the competencies they already have. I could use PowerPoint with photos scape/unfreeze to create water cycles, simple plate tectonics, ozone creation/destruction, simple lab and field techniques etc. None of them would be interactive, just simple linear animations showing the steps involved. For a lot of tutors that would be an exciting stage beyond where they currently are using little more than the skills they already have.



Once you begin to move beyond modest ambitions the "time consuming at the best of times" penalty becomes much more significant and time would be better invested in learning to use a proper tool.



One of the joys of Xerte toolkits is that it spans that whole spectrum, allowing people with modest IT skills to create much more ambitious learning objects than they would have expected, yet still allowing very competent developers to create even more ambitious resources.



From my perspective the ideal "inbuilt" animation tool within toolkits would be oriented at helping the technically modest achieve something they wouldn't have expected to achieve. To this end, possibly a better way of thinking about an animation tool would be to consider pedagogical scenarios. This might be as simple as

?         building up a complex diagram element by element (and elements may include labels)

?         deconstructing a diagram element by element

?         creating simple object paths with auto tweening

The technically competent would already have a wide range of tools and preferences open to them so focusing on the less competent would be a benefit for usability.



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Fair enough.



But if you've got time to do animation, you've got time to learn some decent tools to do it efficiently, because it's time consuming at the best of times, and I'd hate people to be doing all that fiddling about in PowerPoint when they could be using a timeline.



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Looks brilliant but not for the fainthearted and not for doing something quick and simple - a tutor would need familiarity with layers, masks, timelines, nested timelines, paths etc. For simple stuff like the Fieldwork LO quoted earlier in the thread it would be overkill.



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http://animatron.com/



This is fairly close to what I had in mind. Not sure how easy it is to use in reality though.



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A visual editor for CreateJS. It doesn't see there is one already.



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good github project that i think would attract developers.



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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:





It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a timeline...



...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move / scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Hi,



I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...



I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.



I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...



People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]

Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.



I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.



Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?



Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.



That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.



Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.



In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.



If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2



It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.



Ron



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?



On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:

In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:





-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;



-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);



-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow



-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;



Does it sound like it might work?



Does that work with your real world use cases?



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3e>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



If it was easy for end user it would be great



A



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Would an animated gif maker be a good template?



On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk%3cmailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>>> wrote:



From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by



?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)



?         drawing the first frame



?         duplicating the slide



?         making the small changes needed for the second frame



?         duplicating the second frame



?         repeating



?         save finished presentation as gifs



?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.



?         Save as animated gif.



?         Add to any relevant Xerte page







There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.



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I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...







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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation







I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711







I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?







What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.







Ideas?







Thanks,







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The existing SynchVideo page can do some really useful stuff with creative tutors but the current timeline process is a bit clunky so any improvements or evolutions of that page type would be great.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 07 July 2014 12:57
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Maybe the idea we have for the video lesson template might be a starting point: the idea is that we have timeline media (video / audio) and then you can add further content in different panes on the screen, and then add elements to those panes, and then do stuff with them ? like animate a graphic from one place to another for example.

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation


I guess it's all to do with matching ambition to competence.



People with modest ambitions can be encouraged to fulfil those ambitions with the competencies they already have. I could use PowerPoint with photos scape/unfreeze to create water cycles, simple plate tectonics, ozone creation/destruction, simple lab and field techniques etc. None of them would be interactive, just simple linear animations showing the steps involved. For a lot of tutors that would be an exciting stage beyond where they currently are using little more than the skills they already have.



Once you begin to move beyond modest ambitions the "time consuming at the best of times" penalty becomes much more significant and time would be better invested in learning to use a proper tool.



One of the joys of Xerte toolkits is that it spans that whole spectrum, allowing people with modest IT skills to create much more ambitious learning objects than they would have expected, yet still allowing very competent developers to create even more ambitious resources.



From my perspective the ideal "inbuilt" animation tool within toolkits would be oriented at helping the technically modest achieve something they wouldn't have expected to achieve. To this end, possibly a better way of thinking about an animation tool would be to consider pedagogical scenarios. This might be as simple as

?         building up a complex diagram element by element (and elements may include labels)

?         deconstructing a diagram element by element

?         creating simple object paths with auto tweening

The technically competent would already have a wide range of tools and preferences open to them so focusing on the less competent would be a benefit for usability.



A



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Fair enough.



But if you've got time to do animation, you've got time to learn some decent tools to do it efficiently, because it's time consuming at the best of times, and I'd hate people to be doing all that fiddling about in PowerPoint when they could be using a timeline.



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Looks brilliant but not for the fainthearted and not for doing something quick and simple - a tutor would need familiarity with layers, masks, timelines, nested timelines, paths etc. For simple stuff like the Fieldwork LO quoted earlier in the thread it would be overkill.



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http://animatron.com/



This is fairly close to what I had in mind. Not sure how easy it is to use in reality though.



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



A visual editor for CreateJS. It doesn't see there is one already.



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good github project that i think would attract developers.



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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:





It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a timeline...



...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move / scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.



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Hi,



I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...



I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.



I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...



People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]

Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.



I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.



Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?



Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.



That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.



Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.



In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.



If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2



It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.



Ron



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)

Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?



On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:

In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:





-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;



-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);



-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow



-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;



Does it sound like it might work?



Does that work with your real world use cases?



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



If it was easy for end user it would be great



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Would an animated gif maker be a good template?



On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk%3cmailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>>> wrote:



From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by



?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)



?         drawing the first frame



?         duplicating the slide



?         making the small changes needed for the second frame



?         duplicating the second frame



?         repeating



?         save finished presentation as gifs



?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.



?         Save as animated gif.



?         Add to any relevant Xerte page







There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation







I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...







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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation







I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711







I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?







What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.







Ideas?







Thanks,







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I know.

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Sent: 07 July 2014 13:01
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The existing SynchVideo page can do some really useful stuff with creative tutors but the current timeline process is a bit clunky so any improvements or evolutions of that page type would be great.

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Maybe the idea we have for the video lesson template might be a starting point: the idea is that we have timeline media (video / audio) and then you can add further content in different panes on the screen, and then add elements to those panes, and then do stuff with them ? like animate a graphic from one place to another for example.

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I guess it's all to do with matching ambition to competence.



People with modest ambitions can be encouraged to fulfil those ambitions with the competencies they already have. I could use PowerPoint with photos scape/unfreeze to create water cycles, simple plate tectonics, ozone creation/destruction, simple lab and field techniques etc. None of them would be interactive, just simple linear animations showing the steps involved. For a lot of tutors that would be an exciting stage beyond where they currently are using little more than the skills they already have.



Once you begin to move beyond modest ambitions the "time consuming at the best of times" penalty becomes much more significant and time would be better invested in learning to use a proper tool.



One of the joys of Xerte toolkits is that it spans that whole spectrum, allowing people with modest IT skills to create much more ambitious learning objects than they would have expected, yet still allowing very competent developers to create even more ambitious resources.



From my perspective the ideal "inbuilt" animation tool within toolkits would be oriented at helping the technically modest achieve something they wouldn't have expected to achieve. To this end, possibly a better way of thinking about an animation tool would be to consider pedagogical scenarios. This might be as simple as

?         building up a complex diagram element by element (and elements may include labels)

?         deconstructing a diagram element by element

?         creating simple object paths with auto tweening

The technically competent would already have a wide range of tools and preferences open to them so focusing on the less competent would be a benefit for usability.



A



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Fair enough.



But if you've got time to do animation, you've got time to learn some decent tools to do it efficiently, because it's time consuming at the best of times, and I'd hate people to be doing all that fiddling about in PowerPoint when they could be using a timeline.



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Looks brilliant but not for the fainthearted and not for doing something quick and simple - a tutor would need familiarity with layers, masks, timelines, nested timelines, paths etc. For simple stuff like the Fieldwork LO quoted earlier in the thread it would be overkill.



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http://animatron.com/



This is fairly close to what I had in mind. Not sure how easy it is to use in reality though.



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A visual editor for CreateJS. It doesn't see there is one already.



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I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good github project that i think would attract developers.



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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:





It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a timeline...



...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move / scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.



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Hi,



I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...



I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.



I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...



People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]

Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35

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> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.



I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.



Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?



Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.



That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.



Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.



In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.



If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2



It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.



Ron



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Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)

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recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?



On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:

In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:





-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;



-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);



-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow



-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;



Does it sound like it might work?



Does that work with your real world use cases?



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



If it was easy for end user it would be great



A



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Would an animated gif maker be a good template?



On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk%3cmailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>>> wrote:



From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by



?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)



?         drawing the first frame



?         duplicating the slide



?         making the small changes needed for the second frame



?         duplicating the second frame



?         repeating



?         save finished presentation as gifs



?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.



?         Save as animated gif.



?         Add to any relevant Xerte page







There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.



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I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...







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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation







I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711







I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?







What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.







Ideas?







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Animation makes a gif, you can add an MP3 alongside the gif if you like

Why does the animation need audio?


On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Alistair McNaught <
Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk> wrote:

>  The existing SynchVideo page can do some really useful stuff with
> creative tutors but the current timeline process is a bit clunky so any
> improvements or evolutions of that page type would be great.
>
>
>
> A
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>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 07 July 2014 12:57
>
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Maybe the idea we have for the video lesson template might be a starting
> point: the idea is that we have timeline media (video / audio) and then you
> can add further content in different panes on the screen, and then add
> elements to those panes, and then do stuff with them ? like animate a
> graphic from one place to another for example.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] *On Behalf Of *Alistair McNaught
> *Sent:* 07 July 2014 12:54
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> I guess it's all to do with matching ambition to competence.
>
>
>
> People with modest ambitions can be encouraged to fulfil those ambitions
> with the competencies they already have. I could use PowerPoint with photos
> scape/unfreeze to create water cycles, simple plate tectonics, ozone
> creation/destruction, simple lab and field techniques etc. None of them
> would be interactive, just simple linear animations showing the steps
> involved. For a lot of tutors that would be an exciting stage beyond where
> they currently are using little more than the skills they already have.
>
>
>
> Once you begin to move beyond modest ambitions the "time consuming at the
> best of times" penalty becomes much more significant and time would be
> better invested in learning to use a proper tool.
>
>
>
> One of the joys of Xerte toolkits is that it spans that whole spectrum,
> allowing people with modest IT skills to create much more ambitious
> learning objects than they would have expected, yet still allowing very
> competent developers to create even more ambitious resources.
>
>
>
> From my perspective the ideal "inbuilt" animation tool within toolkits
> would be oriented at helping the technically modest achieve something they
> wouldn't have expected to achieve. To this end, possibly a better way of
> thinking about an animation tool would be to consider pedagogical
> scenarios. This might be as simple as
>
> ?         building up a complex diagram element by element (and elements
> may include labels)
>
> ?         deconstructing a diagram element by element
>
> ?         creating simple object paths with auto tweening
>
> The technically competent would already have a wide range of tools and
> preferences open to them so focusing on the less competent would be a
> benefit for usability.
>
>
>
> A
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> Sent: 07 July 2014 12:36
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Fair enough.
>
>
>
> But if you've got time to do animation, you've got time to learn some
> decent tools to do it efficiently, because it's time consuming at the best
> of times, and I'd hate people to be doing all that fiddling about in
> PowerPoint when they could be using a timeline.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
>
> Sent: 07 July 2014 12:29
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Looks brilliant but not for the fainthearted and not for doing something
> quick and simple - a tutor would need familiarity with layers, masks,
> timelines, nested timelines, paths etc. For simple stuff like the Fieldwork
> LO quoted earlier in the thread it would be overkill.
>
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> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>
> Sent: 07 July 2014 11:46
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> http://animatron.com/
>
>
>
> This is fairly close to what I had in mind. Not sure how easy it is to use
> in reality though.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>
> Sent: 07 July 2014 11:28
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> A visual editor for CreateJS. It doesn't see there is one already.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Smith, John
>
> Sent: 07 July 2014 10:45
>
> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an
> html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good
> github project that i think would attract developers.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> John Smith
>
> Learning Technologist
>
> School of Health and Life Sciences
>
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
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>
>
> Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
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>
> It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful
> animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck
> me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a
> timeline...
>
>
>
> ...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do
> something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move /
> scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Smith, John
>
> Sent: 07 July 2014 10:08
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place
> within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are
> definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in
> their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user
> experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that
> allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those
> without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how
> complicated it gets i don't know yet...
>
>
>
> I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to
> somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance
> that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good
> converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be...
> it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then
> get lost and need to be recreated.
>
>
>
> I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some
> could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless
> (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking
> tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come
> to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits
> with Xerte are that you just add a new line...
>
>
>
> People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make
> work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we
> make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
>
> Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences |
> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
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> ________________________________________
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
>
> Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> > That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a
> movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does
> work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user
> interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and
> linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple
> choice etc.
>
>
>
> I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty
> decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was
> asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his
> process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put
> together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this
> quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity
> separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about
> finding efficient ways to make them.
>
>
>
> Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the
> timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through
> format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based
> animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of
> thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
>
> Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19
>
> To: 'Xerte discussion list'
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to
> respond until now. I'd add the following comments?
>
>
>
> Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason
> people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even
> Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with
> Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably
> the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the
> majority.
>
>
>
> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a
> movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does
> work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user
> interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and
> linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple
> choice etc.
>
>
>
> Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer
> potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation
> can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and
> sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded
> somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in
> Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would
> be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this
> sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be
> security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's
> quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk
> stuff.
>
>
>
> In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation
> settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the
> animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide
> and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the
> 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded
> area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.
>
>
>
> If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or
> the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options
> arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low
> cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g.
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2
>
>
>
> It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition
> effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance
> between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even
> more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics
> to a page is so easy.
>
>
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> From:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
>
> Sent: 04 July 2014 20:11
>
> To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte
> discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?
>
>
>
> From:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
>
> Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
> wrote:
>
> In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:
>
>
>
>
>
> -          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A
> background, and items that can move;
>
>
>
> -          The presenter talks through the content and creates the
> animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate
> to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves
> etc);
>
>
>
> -          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move
> slow
>
>
>
> -          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of
> the presentation;
>
>
>
> Does it sound like it might work?
>
>
>
> Does that work with your real world use cases?
>
>
>
> From:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3e>]
> On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
>
> Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
>
> To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte
> discussion list
>
>
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> If it was easy for end user it would be great
>
>
>
> A
>
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> From:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
>
> Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Would an animated gif maker be a good template?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <
> Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by
>
>
>
> ?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page
> dimensions)
>
>
>
> ?         drawing the first frame
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> ?         duplicating the slide
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> ?         making the small changes needed for the second frame
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> ?         duplicating the second frame
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> ?         repeating
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> ?         save finished presentation as gifs
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>
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> ?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no
> admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.
>
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> ?         Save as animated gif.
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>
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> ?         Add to any relevant Xerte page
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>
> There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is
> really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion
> skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see
> slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach
> transect process is illustrated.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Smith, John
>
> Sent: 04 July 2014 10:21
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> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
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>
> I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then
> add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a
> predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to
> tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do
> something like that...
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> From:
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> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
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> Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48
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> Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
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>
> I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we
> have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using
> powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
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>
> I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
> right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and
> efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?
>
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>
> What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this
> sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture
> of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process
> for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s
> more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.
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> Ideas?
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> Thanks,
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> Julian
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From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 13:15:44 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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To narrate a process.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 07 July 2014 13:15
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Animation makes a gif, you can add an MP3 alongside the gif if you like

Why does the animation need audio?

On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:
The existing SynchVideo page can do some really useful stuff with creative tutors but the current timeline process is a bit clunky so any improvements or evolutions of that page type would be great.

A


From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 07 July 2014 12:57

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Maybe the idea we have for the video lesson template might be a starting point: the idea is that we have timeline media (video / audio) and then you can add further content in different panes on the screen, and then add elements to those panes, and then do stuff with them ? like animate a graphic from one place to another for example.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
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I guess it's all to do with matching ambition to competence.



People with modest ambitions can be encouraged to fulfil those ambitions with the competencies they already have. I could use PowerPoint with photos scape/unfreeze to create water cycles, simple plate tectonics, ozone creation/destruction, simple lab and field techniques etc. None of them would be interactive, just simple linear animations showing the steps involved. For a lot of tutors that would be an exciting stage beyond where they currently are using little more than the skills they already have.



Once you begin to move beyond modest ambitions the "time consuming at the best of times" penalty becomes much more significant and time would be better invested in learning to use a proper tool.



One of the joys of Xerte toolkits is that it spans that whole spectrum, allowing people with modest IT skills to create much more ambitious learning objects than they would have expected, yet still allowing very competent developers to create even more ambitious resources.



From my perspective the ideal "inbuilt" animation tool within toolkits would be oriented at helping the technically modest achieve something they wouldn't have expected to achieve. To this end, possibly a better way of thinking about an animation tool would be to consider pedagogical scenarios. This might be as simple as

?         building up a complex diagram element by element (and elements may include labels)

?         deconstructing a diagram element by element

?         creating simple object paths with auto tweening

The technically competent would already have a wide range of tools and preferences open to them so focusing on the less competent would be a benefit for usability.



A



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Fair enough.



But if you've got time to do animation, you've got time to learn some decent tools to do it efficiently, because it's time consuming at the best of times, and I'd hate people to be doing all that fiddling about in PowerPoint when they could be using a timeline.



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Looks brilliant but not for the fainthearted and not for doing something quick and simple - a tutor would need familiarity with layers, masks, timelines, nested timelines, paths etc. For simple stuff like the Fieldwork LO quoted earlier in the thread it would be overkill.



A



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney

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http://animatron.com/



This is fairly close to what I had in mind. Not sure how easy it is to use in reality though.



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



A visual editor for CreateJS. It doesn't see there is one already.



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John

Sent: 07 July 2014 10:45

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good github project that i think would attract developers.



Regards



John Smith

Learning Technologist

School of Health and Life Sciences



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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:





It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a timeline...



...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move / scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.



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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John

Sent: 07 July 2014 10:08

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Hi,



I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...



I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.



I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...



People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?



Regards,



John Smith | Learning Technologist

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Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.



I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.



Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?



Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.



That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.



Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.



In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.



If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2



It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.



Ron



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Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?



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recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?



On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:

In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:





-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;



-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);



-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow



-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;



Does it sound like it might work?



Does that work with your real world use cases?



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If it was easy for end user it would be great



A



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Would an animated gif maker be a good template?



On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk%3cmailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>>> wrote:



From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by



?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)



?         drawing the first frame



?         duplicating the slide



?         making the small changes needed for the second frame



?         duplicating the second frame



?         repeating



?         save finished presentation as gifs



?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.



?         Save as animated gif.



?         Add to any relevant Xerte page







There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.



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I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...







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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation







I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711







I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?







What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.







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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:20:12 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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> Why does the animation need audio?

As the Zen saying goes

?Sometimes it doesn?t but sometimes it does?

The problem is that on the occasions when the animation DOES benefit from narration it is essential the two are in synch otherwise you can add confusion.

From an accessibility point of view being able to pause both animation and narration on demand is very helpful. That?s why ? although I use animated gifs in some LOs they tend not to be very complicated so I?ve never needed to put narration alongside.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 07 July 2014 13:15
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Animation makes a gif, you can add an MP3 alongside the gif if you like

Why does the animation need audio?

On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:
The existing SynchVideo page can do some really useful stuff with creative tutors but the current timeline process is a bit clunky so any improvements or evolutions of that page type would be great.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
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Maybe the idea we have for the video lesson template might be a starting point: the idea is that we have timeline media (video / audio) and then you can add further content in different panes on the screen, and then add elements to those panes, and then do stuff with them ? like animate a graphic from one place to another for example.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
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I guess it's all to do with matching ambition to competence.



People with modest ambitions can be encouraged to fulfil those ambitions with the competencies they already have. I could use PowerPoint with photos scape/unfreeze to create water cycles, simple plate tectonics, ozone creation/destruction, simple lab and field techniques etc. None of them would be interactive, just simple linear animations showing the steps involved. For a lot of tutors that would be an exciting stage beyond where they currently are using little more than the skills they already have.



Once you begin to move beyond modest ambitions the "time consuming at the best of times" penalty becomes much more significant and time would be better invested in learning to use a proper tool.



One of the joys of Xerte toolkits is that it spans that whole spectrum, allowing people with modest IT skills to create much more ambitious learning objects than they would have expected, yet still allowing very competent developers to create even more ambitious resources.



From my perspective the ideal "inbuilt" animation tool within toolkits would be oriented at helping the technically modest achieve something they wouldn't have expected to achieve. To this end, possibly a better way of thinking about an animation tool would be to consider pedagogical scenarios. This might be as simple as

?         building up a complex diagram element by element (and elements may include labels)

?         deconstructing a diagram element by element

?         creating simple object paths with auto tweening

The technically competent would already have a wide range of tools and preferences open to them so focusing on the less competent would be a benefit for usability.



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Fair enough.



But if you've got time to do animation, you've got time to learn some decent tools to do it efficiently, because it's time consuming at the best of times, and I'd hate people to be doing all that fiddling about in PowerPoint when they could be using a timeline.



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Looks brilliant but not for the fainthearted and not for doing something quick and simple - a tutor would need familiarity with layers, masks, timelines, nested timelines, paths etc. For simple stuff like the Fieldwork LO quoted earlier in the thread it would be overkill.



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http://animatron.com/



This is fairly close to what I had in mind. Not sure how easy it is to use in reality though.



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A visual editor for CreateJS. It doesn't see there is one already.



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good github project that i think would attract developers.



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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:





It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a timeline...



...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move / scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.



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Hi,



I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...



I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.



I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...



People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?



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> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.



I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.



Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?



Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.



That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.



Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.



In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.



If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2



It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.



Ron



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?



On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:

In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:





-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;



-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);



-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow



-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;



Does it sound like it might work?



Does that work with your real world use cases?



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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



If it was easy for end user it would be great



A



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Would an animated gif maker be a good template?



On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk%3cmailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>>> wrote:



From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by



?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)



?         drawing the first frame



?         duplicating the slide



?         making the small changes needed for the second frame



?         duplicating the second frame



?         repeating



?         save finished presentation as gifs



?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.



?         Save as animated gif.



?         Add to any relevant Xerte page







There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.



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I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...







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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation







I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711







I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?







What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.







Ideas?







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Wouldn't it be more accessible though if the text was on screen, rather
than read?


On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Alistair McNaught <
Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk> wrote:

>  > Why does the animation need audio?
>
>
>
> As the Zen saying goes
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>
>
> ?Sometimes it doesn?t but sometimes it does?
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>
>
> The problem is that on the occasions when the animation DOES benefit from
> narration it is essential the two are in synch otherwise you can add
> confusion.
>
>
>
> From an accessibility point of view being able to pause both animation and
> narration on demand is very helpful. That?s why ? although I use animated
> gifs in some LOs they tend not to be very complicated so I?ve never needed
> to put narration alongside.
>
>
>
> A
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat L (pgogy)
> *Sent:* 07 July 2014 13:15
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Animation makes a gif, you can add an MP3 alongside the gif if you like
>
>
>
> Why does the animation need audio?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Alistair McNaught <
> Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> The existing SynchVideo page can do some really useful stuff with creative
> tutors but the current timeline process is a bit clunky so any improvements
> or evolutions of that page type would be great.
>
>
>
> A
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>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 07 July 2014 12:57
>
>
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Maybe the idea we have for the video lesson template might be a starting
> point: the idea is that we have timeline media (video / audio) and then you
> can add further content in different panes on the screen, and then add
> elements to those panes, and then do stuff with them ? like animate a
> graphic from one place to another for example.
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] *On Behalf Of *Alistair McNaught
> *Sent:* 07 July 2014 12:54
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> I guess it's all to do with matching ambition to competence.
>
>
>
> People with modest ambitions can be encouraged to fulfil those ambitions
> with the competencies they already have. I could use PowerPoint with photos
> scape/unfreeze to create water cycles, simple plate tectonics, ozone
> creation/destruction, simple lab and field techniques etc. None of them
> would be interactive, just simple linear animations showing the steps
> involved. For a lot of tutors that would be an exciting stage beyond where
> they currently are using little more than the skills they already have.
>
>
>
> Once you begin to move beyond modest ambitions the "time consuming at the
> best of times" penalty becomes much more significant and time would be
> better invested in learning to use a proper tool.
>
>
>
> One of the joys of Xerte toolkits is that it spans that whole spectrum,
> allowing people with modest IT skills to create much more ambitious
> learning objects than they would have expected, yet still allowing very
> competent developers to create even more ambitious resources.
>
>
>
> From my perspective the ideal "inbuilt" animation tool within toolkits
> would be oriented at helping the technically modest achieve something they
> wouldn't have expected to achieve. To this end, possibly a better way of
> thinking about an animation tool would be to consider pedagogical
> scenarios. This might be as simple as
>
> ?         building up a complex diagram element by element (and elements
> may include labels)
>
> ?         deconstructing a diagram element by element
>
> ?         creating simple object paths with auto tweening
>
> The technically competent would already have a wide range of tools and
> preferences open to them so focusing on the less competent would be a
> benefit for usability.
>
>
>
> A
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> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> Sent: 07 July 2014 12:36
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Fair enough.
>
>
>
> But if you've got time to do animation, you've got time to learn some
> decent tools to do it efficiently, because it's time consuming at the best
> of times, and I'd hate people to be doing all that fiddling about in
> PowerPoint when they could be using a timeline.
>
>
>
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> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
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> Sent: 07 July 2014 12:29
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Looks brilliant but not for the fainthearted and not for doing something
> quick and simple - a tutor would need familiarity with layers, masks,
> timelines, nested timelines, paths etc. For simple stuff like the Fieldwork
> LO quoted earlier in the thread it would be overkill.
>
>
>
> A
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> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>
> Sent: 07 July 2014 11:46
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> http://animatron.com/
>
>
>
> This is fairly close to what I had in mind. Not sure how easy it is to use
> in reality though.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>
> Sent: 07 July 2014 11:28
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> A visual editor for CreateJS. It doesn't see there is one already.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Smith, John
>
> Sent: 07 July 2014 10:45
>
> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an
> html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good
> github project that i think would attract developers.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> John Smith
>
> Learning Technologist
>
> School of Health and Life Sciences
>
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
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>
>
>
> Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful
> animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck
> me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a
> timeline...
>
>
>
> ...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do
> something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move /
> scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Smith, John
>
> Sent: 07 July 2014 10:08
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place
> within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are
> definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in
> their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user
> experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that
> allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those
> without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how
> complicated it gets i don't know yet...
>
>
>
> I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to
> somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance
> that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good
> converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be...
> it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then
> get lost and need to be recreated.
>
>
>
> I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some
> could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless
> (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking
> tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come
> to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits
> with Xerte are that you just add a new line...
>
>
>
> People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make
> work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we
> make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
>
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> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
>
> Sent: 07 July 2014 09:35
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> > That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a
> movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does
> work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user
> interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and
> linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple
> choice etc.
>
>
>
> I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty
> decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was
> asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his
> process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put
> together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this
> quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity
> separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about
> finding efficient ways to make them.
>
>
>
> Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the
> timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through
> format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based
> animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of
> thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
>
> Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19
>
> To: 'Xerte discussion list'
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to
> respond until now. I'd add the following comments?
>
>
>
> Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason
> people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even
> Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with
> Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably
> the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the
> majority.
>
>
>
> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a
> movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does
> work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user
> interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and
> linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple
> choice etc.
>
>
>
> Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer
> potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation
> can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and
> sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded
> somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in
> Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would
> be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this
> sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be
> security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's
> quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk
> stuff.
>
>
>
> In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation
> settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the
> animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide
> and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the
> 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded
> area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.
>
>
>
> If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or
> the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options
> arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low
> cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g.
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2
>
>
>
> It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition
> effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance
> between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even
> more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics
> to a page is so easy.
>
>
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> From:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
>
> Sent: 04 July 2014 20:11
>
> To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte
> discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?
>
>
>
> From:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
>
> Sent: 04 July 2014 15:46
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
> wrote:
>
> In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:
>
>
>
>
>
> -          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A
> background, and items that can move;
>
>
>
> -          The presenter talks through the content and creates the
> animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate
> to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves
> etc);
>
>
>
> -          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move
> slow
>
>
>
> -          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of
> the presentation;
>
>
>
> Does it sound like it might work?
>
>
>
> Does that work with your real world use cases?
>
>
>
> From:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3e>]
> On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
>
> Sent: 04 July 2014 14:30
>
> To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte
> discussion list
>
>
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> If it was easy for end user it would be great
>
>
>
> A
>
>
>
> From:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
>
> Sent: 04 July 2014 13:13
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
> Would an animated gif maker be a good template?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <
> Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by
>
>
>
> ?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page
> dimensions)
>
>
>
> ?         drawing the first frame
>
>
>
> ?         duplicating the slide
>
>
>
> ?         making the small changes needed for the second frame
>
>
>
> ?         duplicating the second frame
>
>
>
> ?         repeating
>
>
>
> ?         save finished presentation as gifs
>
>
>
> ?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no
> admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.
>
>
>
> ?         Save as animated gif.
>
>
>
> ?         Add to any relevant Xerte page
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is
> really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion
> skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see
> slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach
> transect process is illustrated.
>
>
>
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01CF99C6.840F18F0]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> A
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [
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> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3e>]
> On Behalf Of Smith, John
>
> Sent: 04 July 2014 10:21
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then
> add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a
> predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to
> tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do
> something like that...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
> From:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>]
>
>
>
> Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48
>
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> xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)
>
>
>
> Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we
> have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using
> powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
> right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and
> efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this
> sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture
> of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process
> for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s
> more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ideas?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Julian
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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 14:54:20 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:54:20 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
In-Reply-To: <CFE03084.62D6%dbrown61@une.edu.au>
References: <hjfn6hvdk8mx0umf834heo6x.1404691899064@email.android.com>,
	<CFE03084.62D6%dbrown61@une.edu.au>
Message-ID: <EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74A1@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>

Hi,

It's one of those situations where we can't support every browser on every legacy platform, albeit that the older iPads are only a few years old now... We've had to do the same with limited support for <IE9 since there is only so much time resource that each of us can dedicate to the project.

It's unfortunate but even a lot of the bigger JS libraries/frameworks are moving away from legacy browser support which takes a massive time to develop for and test and also greatly bloats the code and resulting download times.

I'm a little curious as to why the video seems to load but is collapsed. We use mediaelement.js in Xerte to play the videos and it could be that it is they who do not support the Safari version on older iPads...

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University
Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
________________________________________
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown [dbrown61 at une.edu.au]
Sent: 07 July 2014 02:12
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

John,

I ran the

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711


In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.

What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can run
with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that
is causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running
Xerte can do to overcome it :/

Cheers,

Douglas Brown

Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G







On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

>Hi Douglas
>
>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading
>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are
>you loading it from a server?
>
>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never
>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer
>console for errors or missing (404) files.
>
>Regards
>
>John Smith
>Learning Technologist
>School of Health and Life Sciences
>
>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>
>
>
>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this one
>small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.
>
>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>
>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that once
>the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And there is
>whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>
>I?m running a Mac.
>
>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>
>Cheers,
>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>
>Douglas Brown
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
>
>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
>
>From: Julian Tenney
><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list
><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
>To: "Xerte discussion list
>(xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)"
><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>
>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we
>have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently
>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast
>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are
>others?
>
>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this
>sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a
>mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating
>the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash
>developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to
>do.
>
>Ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Julian
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 15:08:25 2014
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:08:25 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
In-Reply-To: <EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74A1@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
References: <hjfn6hvdk8mx0umf834heo6x.1404691899064@email.android.com>,
	<CFE03084.62D6%dbrown61@une.edu.au>
	<EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74A1@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <011101cf99ec$ec3a5090$c4aef1b0$@co.uk>

Hi John
have you been able to replicate the reported issue?
I hadn't noticed the reference to older iPads until your reply but just also
tested on my older iPad 1 and that works fine for me too. e.g.
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711 displays and plays fine
without being off screen.

HTH
Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 07 July 2014 14:54
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Hi,

It's one of those situations where we can't support every browser on every
legacy platform, albeit that the older iPads are only a few years old now...
We've had to do the same with limited support for <IE9 since there is only
so much time resource that each of us can dedicate to the project.

It's unfortunate but even a lot of the bigger JS libraries/frameworks are
moving away from legacy browser support which takes a massive time to
develop for and test and also greatly bloats the code and resulting download
times.

I'm a little curious as to why the video seems to load but is collapsed. We
use mediaelement.js in Xerte to play the videos and it could be that it is
they who do not support the Safari version on older iPads...

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow
Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the
School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that
all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
________________________________________
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
[dbrown61 at une.edu.au]
Sent: 07 July 2014 02:12
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

John,

I ran the

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711


In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.

What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can run
with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that is
causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running Xerte
can do to overcome it :/

Cheers,

Douglas Brown

Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G







On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

>Hi Douglas
>
>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading 
>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are 
>you loading it from a server?
>
>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never 
>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer 
>console for errors or missing (404) files.
>
>Regards
>
>John Smith
>Learning Technologist
>School of Health and Life Sciences
>
>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>
>
>
>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this 
>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.
>
>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>
>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that 
>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And 
>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>
>I?m running a Mac.
>
>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>
>Cheers,
>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>
>Douglas Brown
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
>
>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
>
>From: Julian Tenney
><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list
><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
>To: "Xerte discussion list
>(xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)"
><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>
>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: 
>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently 
>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get 
>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast 
>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are 
>others?
>
>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for 
>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be 
>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and 
>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into 
>Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and 
>quick to do.
>
>Ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Julian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee 
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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 15:28:03 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:28:03 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
In-Reply-To: <011101cf99ec$ec3a5090$c4aef1b0$@co.uk>
References: <hjfn6hvdk8mx0umf834heo6x.1404691899064@email.android.com>,
	<CFE03084.62D6%dbrown61@une.edu.au>
	<EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74A1@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>,
	<011101cf99ec$ec3a5090$c4aef1b0$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74A6@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>

Hi Ron,

No, I don't have access to a Gen 1 ipad so haven't been able to test but i'm sure Fay would have most likely tested on an iPad 1 during the Xenith development. We have upgraded mediaelements since then so I thought it could be that but if you are saying it works then i'm at a loss...

I initially assumed it was Mac Safari too.

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University
Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
________________________________________
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk]
Sent: 07 July 2014 15:08
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Hi John
have you been able to replicate the reported issue?
I hadn't noticed the reference to older iPads until your reply but just also
tested on my older iPad 1 and that works fine for me too. e.g.
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711 displays and plays fine
without being off screen.

HTH
Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 07 July 2014 14:54
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Hi,

It's one of those situations where we can't support every browser on every
legacy platform, albeit that the older iPads are only a few years old now...
We've had to do the same with limited support for <IE9 since there is only
so much time resource that each of us can dedicate to the project.

It's unfortunate but even a lot of the bigger JS libraries/frameworks are
moving away from legacy browser support which takes a massive time to
develop for and test and also greatly bloats the code and resulting download
times.

I'm a little curious as to why the video seems to load but is collapsed. We
use mediaelement.js in Xerte to play the videos and it could be that it is
they who do not support the Safari version on older iPads...

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow
Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the
School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that
all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
________________________________________
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
[dbrown61 at une.edu.au]
Sent: 07 July 2014 02:12
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

John,

I ran the

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711


In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.

What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can run
with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that is
causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running Xerte
can do to overcome it :/

Cheers,

Douglas Brown

Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G







On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

>Hi Douglas
>
>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading
>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are
>you loading it from a server?
>
>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never
>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer
>console for errors or missing (404) files.
>
>Regards
>
>John Smith
>Learning Technologist
>School of Health and Life Sciences
>
>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>
>
>
>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this
>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.
>
>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>
>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that
>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And
>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>
>I?m running a Mac.
>
>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>
>Cheers,
>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>
>Douglas Brown
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
>
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>
>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
>
>From: Julian Tenney
><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list
><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
>To: "Xerte discussion list
>(xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)"
><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>
>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:
>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently
>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast
>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are
>others?
>
>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for
>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be
>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and
>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into
>Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and
>quick to do.
>
>Ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Julian
>
>
>
>
>
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 15:47:42 2014
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:47:42 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
In-Reply-To: <EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74A6@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
References: <hjfn6hvdk8mx0umf834heo6x.1404691899064@email.android.com>,
	<CFE03084.62D6%dbrown61@une.edu.au>	<EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74A1@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>,
	<011101cf99ec$ec3a5090$c4aef1b0$@co.uk>
	<EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74A6@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <012601cf99f2$692cc1f0$3b8645d0$@co.uk>

Hi John
just to confirm for anyone reading this thread and for Douglas to respond
further...

As far as my tests http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711 displays
and plays fine without being off screen for me on all of the following:
Safari on iPad 1st Gen
Safari on iPad with Retina display
Safari on Windows 7
Safari on Mac

I don't often test these days on my old iPad 1st Gen but I think we would
hear or would have heard from others if this was a common issue. Not sure
why this would be happening for Douglas either but perhaps he can test
further and let us know.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 07 July 2014 15:28
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Hi Ron,

No, I don't have access to a Gen 1 ipad so haven't been able to test but i'm
sure Fay would have most likely tested on an iPad 1 during the Xenith
development. We have upgraded mediaelements since then so I thought it could
be that but if you are saying it works then i'm at a loss...

I initially assumed it was Mac Safari too.

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow
Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the
School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that
all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
________________________________________
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
[ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk]
Sent: 07 July 2014 15:08
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Hi John
have you been able to replicate the reported issue?
I hadn't noticed the reference to older iPads until your reply but just also
tested on my older iPad 1 and that works fine for me too. e.g.
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711 displays and plays fine
without being off screen.

HTH
Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 07 July 2014 14:54
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Hi,

It's one of those situations where we can't support every browser on every
legacy platform, albeit that the older iPads are only a few years old now...
We've had to do the same with limited support for <IE9 since there is only
so much time resource that each of us can dedicate to the project.

It's unfortunate but even a lot of the bigger JS libraries/frameworks are
moving away from legacy browser support which takes a massive time to
develop for and test and also greatly bloats the code and resulting download
times.

I'm a little curious as to why the video seems to load but is collapsed. We
use mediaelement.js in Xerte to play the videos and it could be that it is
they who do not support the Safari version on older iPads...

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow
Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the
School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that
all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
________________________________________
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
[dbrown61 at une.edu.au]
Sent: 07 July 2014 02:12
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

John,

I ran the

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711


In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.

What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can run
with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that is
causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running Xerte
can do to overcome it :/

Cheers,

Douglas Brown

Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G







On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

>Hi Douglas
>
>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading 
>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are 
>you loading it from a server?
>
>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never 
>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer 
>console for errors or missing (404) files.
>
>Regards
>
>John Smith
>Learning Technologist
>School of Health and Life Sciences
>
>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>
>
>
>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this 
>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.
>
>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>
>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that 
>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And 
>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>
>I?m running a Mac.
>
>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>
>Cheers,
>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>
>Douglas Brown
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
>
>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
>
>From: Julian Tenney
><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list
><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
>To: "Xerte discussion list
>(xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)"
><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>
>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:
>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently 
>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get 
>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast 
>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are 
>others?
>
>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for 
>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be 
>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and 
>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into 
>Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and 
>quick to do.
>
>Ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Julian
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 16:05:27 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:05:27 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
In-Reply-To: <EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74A1@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
References: <hjfn6hvdk8mx0umf834heo6x.1404691899064@email.android.com>,
	<CFE03084.62D6%dbrown61@une.edu.au>
	<EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74A1@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D909BD4CA@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>

Or it's the newer jquery? MediaElement uses jquery. I think I saw this issue during development, and it was to do with the page loaded event not being caught be jquery? Could be wrong.

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 07 July 2014 14:54
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Hi,

It's one of those situations where we can't support every browser on every legacy platform, albeit that the older iPads are only a few years old now... We've had to do the same with limited support for <IE9 since there is only so much time resource that each of us can dedicate to the project.

It's unfortunate but even a lot of the bigger JS libraries/frameworks are moving away from legacy browser support which takes a massive time to develop for and test and also greatly bloats the code and resulting download times.

I'm a little curious as to why the video seems to load but is collapsed. We use mediaelement.js in Xerte to play the videos and it could be that it is they who do not support the Safari version on older iPads...

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
________________________________________
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown [dbrown61 at une.edu.au]
Sent: 07 July 2014 02:12
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

John,

I ran the

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711


In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.

What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can run with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that is causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running Xerte can do to overcome it :/

Cheers,

Douglas Brown

Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G







On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

>Hi Douglas
>
>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading 
>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are 
>you loading it from a server?
>
>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never 
>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer 
>console for errors or missing (404) files.
>
>Regards
>
>John Smith
>Learning Technologist
>School of Health and Life Sciences
>
>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>
>
>
>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this 
>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.
>
>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>
>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that 
>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And 
>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>
>I?m running a Mac.
>
>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>
>Cheers,
>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>
>Douglas Brown
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
>
>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
>
>From: Julian Tenney
><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list
><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
>To: "Xerte discussion list
>(xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)"
><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>
>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: 
>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently 
>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get 
>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast 
>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are 
>others?
>
>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for 
>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be 
>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and 
>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into 
>Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and 
>quick to do.
>
>Ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Julian
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 16:06:29 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:06:29 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D909BD279@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
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Alistair no doubt has the right answer: if the narration was talking me through a process, I wouldn?t want to read and watch at the same time.

The right answer, though, is probably it should be both.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 07 July 2014 14:34
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

Wouldn't it be more accessible though if the text was on screen, rather than read?

On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Why does the animation need audio?

As the Zen saying goes

?Sometimes it doesn?t but sometimes it does?

The problem is that on the occasions when the animation DOES benefit from narration it is essential the two are in synch otherwise you can add confusion.

From an accessibility point of view being able to pause both animation and narration on demand is very helpful. That?s why ? although I use animated gifs in some LOs they tend not to be very complicated so I?ve never needed to put narration alongside.

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
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Animation makes a gif, you can add an MP3 alongside the gif if you like

Why does the animation need audio?

On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:
The existing SynchVideo page can do some really useful stuff with creative tutors but the current timeline process is a bit clunky so any improvements or evolutions of that page type would be great.

A


From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
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Maybe the idea we have for the video lesson template might be a starting point: the idea is that we have timeline media (video / audio) and then you can add further content in different panes on the screen, and then add elements to those panes, and then do stuff with them ? like animate a graphic from one place to another for example.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
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I guess it's all to do with matching ambition to competence.



People with modest ambitions can be encouraged to fulfil those ambitions with the competencies they already have. I could use PowerPoint with photos scape/unfreeze to create water cycles, simple plate tectonics, ozone creation/destruction, simple lab and field techniques etc. None of them would be interactive, just simple linear animations showing the steps involved. For a lot of tutors that would be an exciting stage beyond where they currently are using little more than the skills they already have.



Once you begin to move beyond modest ambitions the "time consuming at the best of times" penalty becomes much more significant and time would be better invested in learning to use a proper tool.



One of the joys of Xerte toolkits is that it spans that whole spectrum, allowing people with modest IT skills to create much more ambitious learning objects than they would have expected, yet still allowing very competent developers to create even more ambitious resources.



From my perspective the ideal "inbuilt" animation tool within toolkits would be oriented at helping the technically modest achieve something they wouldn't have expected to achieve. To this end, possibly a better way of thinking about an animation tool would be to consider pedagogical scenarios. This might be as simple as

?         building up a complex diagram element by element (and elements may include labels)

?         deconstructing a diagram element by element

?         creating simple object paths with auto tweening

The technically competent would already have a wide range of tools and preferences open to them so focusing on the less competent would be a benefit for usability.



A



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Fair enough.



But if you've got time to do animation, you've got time to learn some decent tools to do it efficiently, because it's time consuming at the best of times, and I'd hate people to be doing all that fiddling about in PowerPoint when they could be using a timeline.



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Looks brilliant but not for the fainthearted and not for doing something quick and simple - a tutor would need familiarity with layers, masks, timelines, nested timelines, paths etc. For simple stuff like the Fieldwork LO quoted earlier in the thread it would be overkill.



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http://animatron.com/



This is fairly close to what I had in mind. Not sure how easy it is to use in reality though.



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A visual editor for CreateJS. It doesn't see there is one already.



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I would be very surprised if there wasn't already (or in the pipeline) an html5 editor and engine to rival what flash can do. Or it would make a good github project that i think would attract developers.



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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:





It would be an interesting project to build a simple but powerful animation tool. I nearly did it with the drawing tools, because it struck me that you have all the xml info to create graphics, so why not add a timeline...



...but that seemed like a lot of work at the time. I reckon you could do something easily enough using imported graphics and transitions for move / scale / etc. I think the trick would be the FWS test.



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Hi,



I don't disagree with Julian that Flash etc still often have their place within the Xerte LO development cycle and some users (Alistair and Ron are definitely near if not at the top of that list) are very innovative in their use of different packages to create something to enhance the user experience but I definitely agree with Ron's point that something that allowed 'simple' animation would be a useful feature, especially for those without Flash experience and who dislike PPT. What that looks like or how complicated it gets i don't know yet...



I think my bugbear with alternative solutions is that you then have to somehow manage the support files. It's like PDFs - it's a regular occurance that people lose the original Word doc and although there are good converters back to Word, none are perfect and I doubt they ever will be... it's the same when you start using support Flash files, PPTs, etc that then get lost and need to be recreated.



I also like the simple 'updatability' of some of the pages in Xerte. Some could equally argue that the Table and Chart pages in Xerte are pointless (other than for backward compatibility). You can create better looking tables/charts in Excel, take a screenshot and import that but when you come to add the latest year's data then you have to do it again... the benefits with Xerte are that you just add a new line...



People will always navigate towards tools that they know they can make work in the time they have - I don't think that's a problem but could we make it easier for those who have no experience of any package?



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> That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.



I get that, but this is a non-technical user who has done something pretty decent, and I don?t want to start pointing out shortcomings ? what I was asking was about how to do this easily / more easily because I suspect his process may be ?non-optimum? in that it is taken significant time to put together. I wondered if there were any tools / approaches that makes this quick and easy ? I can talk to him more about xerte and interactivity separately, but there is a place for movies, obviously, and this is about finding efficient ways to make them.



Personally I?d use Flash, import a narration, and then animate on the timeline to synch it all up, and then export a movie and run it through format factory. What would be good would be a simpler timeline based animation tool I suppose, or perhaps Flash is pretty good for this sort of thing. The idea of doing it in ppt gives me the willies.



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell

Sent: 06 July 2014 11:19

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation



Viewed this thread with interest at an event on Friday but no time to respond until now. I'd add the following comments?



Creating this sort of narrated and sequenced animation is a common reason people say they prefer other tools like Captivate or Storyline or even Camtasia Studio. Obviously we all know that these can be used together with Xerte and no single tool does everything and obviously cost and arguably the specialist skills required mean these tools aren't the option for the majority.



That kind of animation from Nottingham done in PowerPoint, saved as a movie and then converted to mp4 or uploaded to a streaming service does work very well but obviously there isn't really any potential for user interaction via that route unless perhaps keeping the movies granular and linking to different next steps based on user choice via links or multiple choice etc.



Converting the PowerPoint with a tool like iSpring Pro does offer potential for interaction and obviously these days the converted animation can be html rather than Flash but because the output is multiple files and sub folders can't easily be uploaded via XOT and needs to be uploaded somewhere first. The same applies to creating this sort of thing direct in Articulate Storyline or Captivate or similar. I've often thought it would be good to upload and extract zip files via media and quota to make this sort of use with output from other tools easier. But I guess there could be security risks to that too and perhaps challenges with export. There's quite a few different examples in the http://learningmathsonline.ac.uk stuff.



In my experience not everyone likes or takes to the custom animation settings etc in PowerPoint but another way to do this depending on the animation required is to add all the elements around the edges of a slide and then use a tool like screencast-o-matic or screenr to record the 'stage' area of the slide while you drag the elements onto the recorded area e.g. for creating common craft style explanations.



If the author has a tablet then apps like Explain Everything or Doceri or the myriad of other annotation or animation apps provide loads of options arguably much quicker and more flexible than PowerPoint and are very low cost or free compared with desktop or online apps. e.g. http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play_36?template_id=html5&_36#resume=2



It would be good even to just have some simple sequenced transition effects in Xerte but if there were a way to strike the right balance between ease of use and flexibility within Xerte itself it would add even more value to the new editor features where adding mutiple images/graphics to a page is so easy.



Ron



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Well if we were talking about cakes and icing I?d go for both options ?



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)

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recording and saving directly? Or uploaded MP3?



On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:

In terms of ease of use, this is what I?m thinking:





-          Powerpoint or something is used to draw the graphics. A background, and items that can move;



-          The presenter talks through the content and creates the animation live, either by dragging things around, or having things animate to where the mouse is clicked (click object -> click screen -> object moves etc);



-          Maybe some other actions like scale / vanish / move fast / move slow



-          Some sort of screen recording is made to capture the video of the presentation;



Does it sound like it might work?



Does that work with your real world use cases?



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If it was easy for end user it would be great



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Would an animated gif maker be a good template?



On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk%3cmailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>>> wrote:



From a non technical viewpoint I do this sort of thing by



?         setting up a bespoke PowerPoint slide (maybe 6 x 8 cm page dimensions)



?         drawing the first frame



?         duplicating the slide



?         making the small changes needed for the second frame



?         duplicating the second frame



?         repeating



?         save finished presentation as gifs



?         use free tool like Photoscape or UnFreez (both portable so no admin rights needed to install) to determine the frame delays between them.



?         Save as animated gif.



?         Add to any relevant Xerte page







There is real advantage in using PPT to create the frames because it is really familiar to people, flexible and easy to use. It doesn?t allow onion skinning etc but I?ve produced several things using this approach ? see slide 4 of http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_477 where the beach transect process is illustrated.



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I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...







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Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation







I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711







I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?







What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.







Ideas?







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From Fred.Riley at bcu.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 16:43:07 2014
From: Fred.Riley at bcu.ac.uk (Fred Riley)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:43:07 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Diacritics in LO titles
Message-ID: <210BEEAF12405E4983630DA4B4693C9D0133E704@EXMBX1.staff.uce.ac.uk>

Hi all



I've just tried to rename a Xerte Toolkits LO to " Criomagan G?idhlig" but got the message " This is not a valid name. Please use only letters and numbers", which also appeared when I removed the space, though " Criomagan Gaidhlig" was ok, so plainly XOT doesn't like the diacritic "?". I also tried using a HTML character entity ("Criomagan G&agrave;idhlig"). Is this a known 'feature'? This is probably a FAQ but it's really not a big deal, and I'm not looking for a fix - I can do without the diacritic in the LO title, no bother. I'm just after knowing if diacritics are no-nos in titles.



Fred

www.fredriley.org.uk

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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 16:50:36 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:50:36 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Diacritics in LO titles
In-Reply-To: <210BEEAF12405E4983630DA4B4693C9D0133E704@EXMBX1.staff.uce.ac.uk>
References: <210BEEAF12405E4983630DA4B4693C9D0133E704@EXMBX1.staff.uce.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D909BD510@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>

&agrave; does work:

[cid:image001.png at 01CF9A03.6D3EB800]

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fred Riley
Sent: 07 July 2014 16:43
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Diacritics in LO titles


Hi all



I've just tried to rename a Xerte Toolkits LO to " Criomagan G?idhlig" but got the message " This is not a valid name. Please use only letters and numbers", which also appeared when I removed the space, though " Criomagan Gaidhlig" was ok, so plainly XOT doesn't like the diacritic "?". I also tried using a HTML character entity ("Criomagan G&agrave;idhlig"). Is this a known 'feature'? This is probably a FAQ but it's really not a big deal, and I'm not looking for a fix - I can do without the diacritic in the LO title, no bother. I'm just after knowing if diacritics are no-nos in titles.



Fred

www.fredriley.org.uk<http://www.fredriley.org.uk>

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From Fred.Riley at bcu.ac.uk  Mon Jul  7 16:58:17 2014
From: Fred.Riley at bcu.ac.uk (Fred Riley)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:58:17 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Diacritics in LO titles
In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D909BD510@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
References: <210BEEAF12405E4983630DA4B4693C9D0133E704@EXMBX1.staff.uce.ac.uk>
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Ah, sorry, I meant the Project name in the Properties dialogue - diacritics, HTML entities and whatnot are fine in page elements. See:

http://xerte2.bcu.ac.uk/preview.php?template_id=55

Now that I think of it, this is even less of a big deal than I thought, because of course the project name is never visible to the Whole Wide World - it's just an internal thing. Indeed, it's barely a turn of a card... ;-)

Fred
www.fredriley.org.uk

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 07 July 2014 16:51
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Diacritics in LO titles

&agrave; does work:

[cid:image001.png at 01CF9A04.A5CFF610]

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fred Riley
Sent: 07 July 2014 16:43
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Diacritics in LO titles


Hi all



I've just tried to rename a Xerte Toolkits LO to " Criomagan G?idhlig" but got the message " This is not a valid name. Please use only letters and numbers", which also appeared when I removed the space, though " Criomagan Gaidhlig" was ok, so plainly XOT doesn't like the diacritic "?". I also tried using a HTML character entity ("Criomagan G&agrave;idhlig"). Is this a known 'feature'? This is probably a FAQ but it's really not a big deal, and I'm not looking for a fix - I can do without the diacritic in the LO title, no bother. I'm just after knowing if diacritics are no-nos in titles.



Fred

www.fredriley.org.uk<http://www.fredriley.org.uk>

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From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com  Mon Jul  7 17:19:00 2014
From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat L (pgogy))
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:19:00 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Diacritics in LO titles
In-Reply-To: <210BEEAF12405E4983630DA4B4693C9D0133E71F@EXMBX1.staff.uce.ac.uk>
References: <210BEEAF12405E4983630DA4B4693C9D0133E704@EXMBX1.staff.uce.ac.uk>
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There is a validation.js which chooses the characters allowed.
You could modify this to add accented chars and so on


On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Fred Riley <Fred.Riley at bcu.ac.uk> wrote:

>  Ah, sorry, I meant the Project name in the Properties dialogue -
> diacritics, HTML entities and whatnot are fine in page elements. See:
>
>
>
> http://xerte2.bcu.ac.uk/preview.php?template_id=55
>
>
>
> Now that I think of it, this is even less of a big deal than I thought,
> because of course the project name is never visible to the Whole Wide World
> - it's just an internal thing. Indeed, it's barely a turn of a card... ;-)
>
>
>
> Fred
>
> www.fredriley.org.uk
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 07 July 2014 16:51
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Diacritics in LO titles
>
>
>
> &agrave; does work:
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Fred Riley
> *Sent:* 07 July 2014 16:43
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Diacritics in LO titles
>
>
>
> Hi all
>
>
>
> I've just tried to rename a Xerte Toolkits LO to " Criomagan G?idhlig"
> but got the message " This is not a valid name. Please use only letters
> and numbers", which also appeared when I removed the space, though " Criomagan
> Gaidhlig" was ok, so plainly XOT doesn't like the diacritic "?". I also
> tried using a HTML character entity ("Criomagan G&agrave;idhlig"). Is this
> a known 'feature'? This is probably a FAQ but it's really not a big deal,
> and I'm not looking for a fix - I can do without the diacritic in the LO
> title, no bother. I'm just after knowing if diacritics are no-nos in
> titles.
>
>
>
> Fred
>
> www.fredriley.org.uk
>
>
>
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From dbrown61 at une.edu.au  Tue Jul  8 00:19:53 2014
From: dbrown61 at une.edu.au (Douglas Brown)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 09:19:53 +1000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
In-Reply-To: <004301cf99b7$b8315760$28940620$@co.uk>
References: <hjfn6hvdk8mx0umf834heo6x.1404691899064@email.android.com>
	<CFE03084.62D6%dbrown61@une.edu.au>
	<004301cf99b7$b8315760$28940620$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <CFE16805.63C9%dbrown61@une.edu.au>

Try pressing the ESC key at the end of the presentation.

Douglas Brown

Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G







On 7/07/2014 5:47 pm, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

>Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on iPad,
>Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try again.
>Ron
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
>Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13
>To: Xerte discussion list
>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>John,
>
>I ran the 
>
>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>
>In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.
>
>What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can run
>with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that
>is
>causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running Xerte
>can do to overcome it :/
>
>Cheers, 
>
>Douglas Brown
>
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
>
>www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>Hi Douglas
>>
>>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading
>>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are
>>you loading it from a server?
>>
>>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never
>>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer
>>console for errors or missing (404) files.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>John Smith
>>Learning Technologist
>>School of Health and Life Sciences
>>
>>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>>
>>
>>
>>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this
>>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.
>>
>>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>>
>>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that
>>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And
>>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>>
>>I?m running a Mac.
>>
>>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>>
>>Douglas Brown
>>Online Learning Designer
>>Learning Innovations Hub
>>
>>Parramatta Future Campus
>>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>>
>>Phone  0477 740 230
>>
>>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>
>>
>>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
>>
>>From: Julian Tenney
>><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list
>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
>>To: "Xerte discussion list
>>(xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)"
>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>>
>>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:
>>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently
>>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>>
>>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
>>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast
>>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are
>>others?
>>
>>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for
>>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be
>>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and
>>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into
>>Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and
>>quick to do.
>>
>>Ideas?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Julian
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Wed Jul  9 10:57:18 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 10:57:18 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
In-Reply-To: <CFE16805.63C9%dbrown61@une.edu.au>
References: <hjfn6hvdk8mx0umf834heo6x.1404691899064@email.android.com>
	<CFE03084.62D6%dbrown61@une.edu.au>
	<004301cf99b7$b8315760$28940620$@co.uk>,
	<CFE16805.63C9%dbrown61@une.edu.au>
Message-ID: <EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74B8@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>

Ah so it's not iPad but Mac... that's an interesting bug that I've not seen before. Most likely it is to do with the mediaelements plugin so I will investigate and report an issue there.

For info, it also manifests in Chrome, although slightly differently (see screenshot). If you have it fullscreen and the video stop and then you press esc or the fullscreen button then you return to the LO but the video is scaled wrongly and you can't get it to return to correct scaling without refreshing the LO.

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University
Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
________________________________________
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown [dbrown61 at une.edu.au]
Sent: 08 July 2014 00:19
To: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
Cc: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question

Try pressing the ESC key at the end of the presentation.

Douglas Brown

Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G







On 7/07/2014 5:47 pm, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

>Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on iPad,
>Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try again.
>Ron
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
>Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13
>To: Xerte discussion list
>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>John,
>
>I ran the
>
>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>
>In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.
>
>What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can run
>with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that
>is
>causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running Xerte
>can do to overcome it :/
>
>Cheers,
>
>Douglas Brown
>
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
>
>www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>Hi Douglas
>>
>>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading
>>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are
>>you loading it from a server?
>>
>>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never
>>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer
>>console for errors or missing (404) files.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>John Smith
>>Learning Technologist
>>School of Health and Life Sciences
>>
>>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>>
>>
>>
>>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this
>>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.
>>
>>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>>
>>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that
>>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And
>>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>>
>>I?m running a Mac.
>>
>>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>>
>>Douglas Brown
>>Online Learning Designer
>>Learning Innovations Hub
>>
>>Parramatta Future Campus
>>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>>
>>Phone  0477 740 230
>>
>>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>
>>
>>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
>>
>>From: Julian Tenney
>><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list
>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
>>To: "Xerte discussion list
>>(xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)"
>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>>
>>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:
>>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently
>>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>>
>>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
>>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast
>>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are
>>others?
>>
>>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for
>>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be
>>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and
>>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into
>>Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and
>>quick to do.
>>
>>Ideas?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Julian
>>
>>
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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Wed Jul  9 11:30:14 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:30:14 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Video issue in Xerte (mediaelements plugin)
In-Reply-To: <EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74B8@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
References: <hjfn6hvdk8mx0umf834heo6x.1404691899064@email.android.com>
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	<CFE16805.63C9%dbrown61@une.edu.au>,
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Sorry, my bad. That last screenshot was Firefox 27 on Mac, Chrome 35 actually works fine.

Just for completeness, can anyone confirm what it does on other browsers/devices?

Steps to reproduce:

   1) Open this url : http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

   2) Press play and click the fullscreen button

   3) Once the movie has stopped playing at the end (you can drag the slider near to the end rather than sitting through the movie), press the Esc key or Fullscreen button to exit fullscreen

   4) Describe or take a screen capture of what you see. On some browsers the video collapse into a thin strip, on others the video player looks normal but the video within is scaled too big.

   5) Email the list or me directly at jjs at gcu.ac.uk with your screenshot/description and the device/browser/version number (found in About on the menu) and I'll collate and try to get it fixed.

Since video is quite an important aspect of Xerte it would be good to fix this or else we may end up investigating an alternative video plugin.

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University
Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
________________________________________
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk]
Sent: 09 July 2014 10:57
To: Xerte discussion list; ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question

Ah so it's not iPad but Mac... that's an interesting bug that I've not seen before. Most likely it is to do with the mediaelements plugin so I will investigate and report an issue there.

For info, it also manifests in Chrome, although slightly differently (see screenshot). If you have it fullscreen and the video stop and then you press esc or the fullscreen button then you return to the LO but the video is scaled wrongly and you can't get it to return to correct scaling without refreshing the LO.

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University
Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
________________________________________
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown [dbrown61 at une.edu.au]
Sent: 08 July 2014 00:19
To: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
Cc: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question

Try pressing the ESC key at the end of the presentation.

Douglas Brown

Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G







On 7/07/2014 5:47 pm, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

>Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on iPad,
>Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try again.
>Ron
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
>Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13
>To: Xerte discussion list
>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>John,
>
>I ran the
>
>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>
>In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.
>
>What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can run
>with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that
>is
>causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running Xerte
>can do to overcome it :/
>
>Cheers,
>
>Douglas Brown
>
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
>
>www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>Hi Douglas
>>
>>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading
>>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are
>>you loading it from a server?
>>
>>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never
>>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer
>>console for errors or missing (404) files.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>John Smith
>>Learning Technologist
>>School of Health and Life Sciences
>>
>>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>>
>>
>>
>>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this
>>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.
>>
>>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>>
>>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that
>>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And
>>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>>
>>I?m running a Mac.
>>
>>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>>
>>Douglas Brown
>>Online Learning Designer
>>Learning Innovations Hub
>>
>>Parramatta Future Campus
>>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>>
>>Phone  0477 740 230
>>
>>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>
>>
>>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
>>
>>From: Julian Tenney
>><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list
>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
>>To: "Xerte discussion list
>>(xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)"
>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>>
>>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:
>>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently
>>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>>
>>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
>>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast
>>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are
>>others?
>>
>>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for
>>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be
>>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and
>>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into
>>Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and
>>quick to do.
>>
>>Ideas?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Julian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul  9 11:45:31 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:45:31 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Video issue in Xerte (mediaelements plugin)
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Is good in FF 30.0 on Windows.



Is good in Chrome Version 35.0.1916.153 m



Is good in IE [cid:image001.png at 01CF9B6B.494AF990]









-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 09 July 2014 11:30
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Video issue in Xerte (mediaelements plugin)
Importance: High



Sorry, my bad. That last screenshot was Firefox 27 on Mac, Chrome 35 actually works fine.



Just for completeness, can anyone confirm what it does on other browsers/devices?



Steps to reproduce:



   1) Open this url : http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711



   2) Press play and click the fullscreen button



   3) Once the movie has stopped playing at the end (you can drag the slider near to the end rather than sitting through the movie), press the Esc key or Fullscreen button to exit fullscreen



   4) Describe or take a screen capture of what you see. On some browsers the video collapse into a thin strip, on others the video player looks normal but the video within is scaled too big.



   5) Email the list or me directly at jjs at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:jjs at gcu.ac.uk> with your screenshot/description and the device/browser/version number (found in About on the menu) and I'll collate and try to get it fixed.



Since video is quite an important aspect of Xerte it would be good to fix this or else we may end up investigating an alternative video plugin.



Regards,



John Smith | Learning Technologist

Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA



Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk> where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.

________________________________________

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk]

Sent: 09 July 2014 10:57

To: Xerte discussion list; ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>

Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question



Ah so it's not iPad but Mac... that's an interesting bug that I've not seen before. Most likely it is to do with the mediaelements plugin so I will investigate and report an issue there.



For info, it also manifests in Chrome, although slightly differently (see screenshot). If you have it fullscreen and the video stop and then you press esc or the fullscreen button then you return to the LO but the video is scaled wrongly and you can't get it to return to correct scaling without refreshing the LO.



Regards,



John Smith | Learning Technologist

Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA



Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk> where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.

________________________________________

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown [dbrown61 at une.edu.au]

Sent: 08 July 2014 00:19

To: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>

Cc: Xerte discussion list

Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question



Try pressing the ESC key at the end of the presentation.



Douglas Brown



Online Learning Designer

Learning Innovations Hub



Parramatta Future Campus

Level 2, 232 Church Street

Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia



Phone  0477 740 230



www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au> <http://www.une.edu.au/>



CRICOS Provider Code 00003G















On 7/07/2014 5:47 pm, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:



>Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on

>iPad, Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try again.

>Ron

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>

>[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas

>Brown

>Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13

>To: Xerte discussion list

>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

>

>John,

>

>I ran the

>

>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

>

>

>In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.

>

>What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can

>run with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari

>that is causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people

>running Xerte can do to overcome it :/

>

>Cheers,

>

>Douglas Brown

>

>Online Learning Designer

>Learning Innovations Hub

>

>Parramatta Future Campus

>Level 2, 232 Church Street

>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

>

>Phone  0477 740 230

>

>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au> <http://www.une.edu.au/>

>

>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:

>

>>Hi Douglas

>>

>>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are

>>loading that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your

>>Mac or are you loading it from a server?

>>

>>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never

>>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer

>>console for errors or missing (404) files.

>>

>>Regards

>>

>>John Smith

>>Learning Technologist

>>School of Health and Life Sciences

>>

>>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII

>>

>>

>>

>>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au<mailto:dbrown61 at une.edu.au>> wrote:

>>

>>

>>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this

>>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.

>>

>>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]

>>

>>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that

>>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And

>>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.

>>

>>I?m running a Mac.

>>

>>Something to fix in the next version, eh?

>>

>>Cheers,

>>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]

>>

>>Douglas Brown

>>Online Learning Designer

>>Learning Innovations Hub

>>

>>Parramatta Future Campus

>>Level 2, 232 Church Street

>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

>>

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>>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm

>>To: "Xerte discussion list

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>>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation

>>

>>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:

>>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s

>>currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:

>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

>>

>>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get

>>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it

>>fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe

>>there are others?

>>

>>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for

>>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be

>>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and

>>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff

>>into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy

>>and quick to do.

>>

>>Ideas?

>>

>>Thanks,

>>

>>Julian

>>

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From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com  Wed Jul  9 11:53:41 2014
From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat L (pgogy))
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:53:41 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
In-Reply-To: <EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74B8@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
References: <hjfn6hvdk8mx0umf834heo6x.1404691899064@email.android.com>
	<CFE03084.62D6%dbrown61@une.edu.au>
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We have huge issues with jwplayer as it wants to open all videos in
quicktime on apple stuff (so we make content in an "apple format" to allow
for this)

Might be quickest to say "if apple have display in quicktime link"


On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

> Ah so it's not iPad but Mac... that's an interesting bug that I've not
> seen before. Most likely it is to do with the mediaelements plugin so I
> will investigate and report an issue there.
>
> For info, it also manifests in Chrome, although slightly differently (see
> screenshot). If you have it fullscreen and the video stop and then you
> press esc or the fullscreen button then you return to the LO but the video
> is scaled wrongly and you can't get it to return to correct scaling without
> refreshing the LO.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
> Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences |
> Glasgow Caledonian University
> Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>
> Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the
> School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that
> all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown [
> dbrown61 at une.edu.au]
> Sent: 08 July 2014 00:19
> To: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> Cc: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
>
> Try pressing the ESC key at the end of the presentation.
>
> Douglas Brown
>
> Online Learning Designer
> Learning Innovations Hub
>
> Parramatta Future Campus
> Level 2, 232 Church Street
> Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
> Phone  0477 740 230
>
> www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
> CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/07/2014 5:47 pm, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on iPad,
> >Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try again.
> >Ron
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
> >Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13
> >To: Xerte discussion list
> >Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
> >
> >John,
> >
> >I ran the
> >
> >http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
> >
> >
> >In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.
> >
> >What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can run
> >with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that
> >is
> >causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running Xerte
> >can do to overcome it :/
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Douglas Brown
> >
> >Online Learning Designer
> >Learning Innovations Hub
> >
> >Parramatta Future Campus
> >Level 2, 232 Church Street
> >Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
> >
> >Phone  0477 740 230
> >
> >www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
> >
> >CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>Hi Douglas
> >>
> >>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading
> >>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are
> >>you loading it from a server?
> >>
> >>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never
> >>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer
> >>console for errors or missing (404) files.
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>
> >>John Smith
> >>Learning Technologist
> >>School of Health and Life Sciences
> >>
> >>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this
> >>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.
> >>
> >>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
> >>
> >>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that
> >>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And
> >>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
> >>
> >>I?m running a Mac.
> >>
> >>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
> >>
> >>Douglas Brown
> >>Online Learning Designer
> >>Learning Innovations Hub
> >>
> >>Parramatta Future Campus
> >>Level 2, 232 Church Street
> >>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
> >>
> >>Phone  0477 740 230
> >>
> >>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>
> >>
> >>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
> >>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
> >>
> >>From: Julian Tenney
> >><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
> >>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list
> >><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
> >>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
> >>To: "Xerte discussion list
> >>(xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)"
> >><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
> >>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
> >>
> >>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:
> >>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently
> >>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
> >>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
> >>
> >>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
> >>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast
> >>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are
> >>others?
> >>
> >>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for
> >>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be
> >>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and
> >>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into
> >>Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and
> >>quick to do.
> >>
> >>Ideas?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Julian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul  9 11:54:55 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:54:55 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
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If there are issues with mediaelement, maybe we should involve the developers there?

We looked pretty hard at all the alternatives, and mediaelement was the best (at the time)

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 09 July 2014 11:54
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question

We have huge issues with jwplayer as it wants to open all videos in quicktime on apple stuff (so we make content in an "apple format" to allow for this)

Might be quickest to say "if apple have display in quicktime link"

On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah so it's not iPad but Mac... that's an interesting bug that I've not seen before. Most likely it is to do with the mediaelements plugin so I will investigate and report an issue there.

For info, it also manifests in Chrome, although slightly differently (see screenshot). If you have it fullscreen and the video stop and then you press esc or the fullscreen button then you return to the LO but the video is scaled wrongly and you can't get it to return to correct scaling without refreshing the LO.

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University
Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk> where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
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Sent: 08 July 2014 00:19
To: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
Cc: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question

Try pressing the ESC key at the end of the presentation.

Douglas Brown

Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au> <http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G







On 7/07/2014 5:47 pm, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:

>Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on iPad,
>Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try again.
>Ron
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
>Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13
>To: Xerte discussion list
>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>John,
>
>I ran the
>
>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>
>In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.
>
>What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can run
>with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that
>is
>causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running Xerte
>can do to overcome it :/
>
>Cheers,
>
>Douglas Brown
>
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
>
>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au> <http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>>Hi Douglas
>>
>>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading
>>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are
>>you loading it from a server?
>>
>>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never
>>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer
>>console for errors or missing (404) files.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>John Smith
>>Learning Technologist
>>School of Health and Life Sciences
>>
>>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>>
>>
>>
>>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au<mailto:dbrown61 at une.edu.au>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this
>>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.
>>
>>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>>
>>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that
>>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And
>>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>>
>>I?m running a Mac.
>>
>>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>>
>>Douglas Brown
>>Online Learning Designer
>>Learning Innovations Hub
>>
>>Parramatta Future Campus
>>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>>
>>Phone  0477 740 230
>>
>>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au><http://www.une.edu.au/>
>>
>>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
>>
>>From: Julian Tenney
>><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>>
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>>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>>
>>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:
>>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently
>>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>>
>>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
>>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast
>>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are
>>others?
>>
>>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for
>>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be
>>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and
>>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into
>>Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and
>>quick to do.
>>
>>Ideas?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Wed Jul  9 11:57:40 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:57:40 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
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Yeah I think it is the best, just seems to have a few issues with some browsers, mainly on Apple to be fair but that's a huge marketshare with mobile.

I'll make contact with them once I get a feel for the scale of the issue. It may be that it's already fixed as they are quite actively developing it.

Regards,

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 09 July 2014 11:54
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question

If there are issues with mediaelement, maybe we should involve the developers there?

We looked pretty hard at all the alternatives, and mediaelement was the best (at the time)

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 09 July 2014 11:54
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question

We have huge issues with jwplayer as it wants to open all videos in quicktime on apple stuff (so we make content in an "apple format" to allow for this)

Might be quickest to say "if apple have display in quicktime link"

On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
Ah so it's not iPad but Mac... that's an interesting bug that I've not seen before. Most likely it is to do with the mediaelements plugin so I will investigate and report an issue there.

For info, it also manifests in Chrome, although slightly differently (see screenshot). If you have it fullscreen and the video stop and then you press esc or the fullscreen button then you return to the LO but the video is scaled wrongly and you can't get it to return to correct scaling without refreshing the LO.

Regards,

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Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

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Sent: 08 July 2014 00:19
To: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
Cc: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question

Try pressing the ESC key at the end of the presentation.

Douglas Brown

Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
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On 7/07/2014 5:47 pm, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:

>Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on iPad,
>Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try again.
>Ron
>
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>Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13
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>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>John,
>
>I ran the
>
>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>
>In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.
>
>What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can run
>with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that
>is
>causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running Xerte
>can do to overcome it :/
>
>Cheers,
>
>Douglas Brown
>
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
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>On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>>Hi Douglas
>>
>>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading
>>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are
>>you loading it from a server?
>>
>>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never
>>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer
>>console for errors or missing (404) files.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>John Smith
>>Learning Technologist
>>School of Health and Life Sciences
>>
>>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>>
>>
>>
>>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au<mailto:dbrown61 at une.edu.au>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this
>>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.
>>
>>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>>
>>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that
>>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And
>>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>>
>>I?m running a Mac.
>>
>>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>>
>>Douglas Brown
>>Online Learning Designer
>>Learning Innovations Hub
>>
>>Parramatta Future Campus
>>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>>
>>Phone  0477 740 230
>>
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>>
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>>
>>From: Julian Tenney
>><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>>
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>>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
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>>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>>
>>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:
>>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently
>>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>>
>>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
>>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast
>>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are
>>others?
>>
>>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for
>>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be
>>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and
>>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into
>>Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and
>>quick to do.
>>
>>Ideas?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Julian
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul  9 12:02:23 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:02:23 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
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> as they are quite actively developing it.



Yeah, that's a good thing.



-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 09 July 2014 11:58
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question



Yeah I think it is the best, just seems to have a few issues with some browsers, mainly on Apple to be fair but that's a huge marketshare with mobile.



I'll make contact with them once I get a feel for the scale of the issue. It may be that it's already fixed as they are quite actively developing it.



Regards,



John Smith | Learning Technologist

Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA



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Sent: 09 July 2014 11:54

To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; Xerte discussion list

Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question



If there are issues with mediaelement, maybe we should involve the developers there?



We looked pretty hard at all the alternatives, and mediaelement was the best (at the time)



From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)

Sent: 09 July 2014 11:54

To: Xerte discussion list

Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question



We have huge issues with jwplayer as it wants to open all videos in quicktime on apple stuff (so we make content in an "apple format" to allow for this)



Might be quickest to say "if apple have display in quicktime link"



On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk%3cmailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>>> wrote:

Ah so it's not iPad but Mac... that's an interesting bug that I've not seen before. Most likely it is to do with the mediaelements plugin so I will investigate and report an issue there.



For info, it also manifests in Chrome, although slightly differently (see screenshot). If you have it fullscreen and the video stop and then you press esc or the fullscreen button then you return to the LO but the video is scaled wrongly and you can't get it to return to correct scaling without refreshing the LO.



Regards,



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Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA



Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk%3cmailto:hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk>> where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.

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Sent: 08 July 2014 00:19

To: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk%3cmailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>>

Cc: Xerte discussion list

Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question



Try pressing the ESC key at the end of the presentation.



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Parramatta Future Campus

Level 2, 232 Church Street

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On 7/07/2014 5:47 pm, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk%3cmailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>>> wrote:



>Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on

>iPad, Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try again.

>Ron

>

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>Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13

>To: Xerte discussion list

>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

>

>John,

>

>I ran the

>

>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

>

>

>In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.

>

>What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can

>run with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari

>that is causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people

>running Xerte can do to overcome it :/

>

>Cheers,

>

>Douglas Brown

>

>Online Learning Designer

>Learning Innovations Hub

>

>Parramatta Future Campus

>Level 2, 232 Church Street

>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

>

>Phone  0477 740 230

>

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>On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk%3cmailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>>> wrote:

>

>>Hi Douglas

>>

>>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are

>>loading that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your

>>Mac or are you loading it from a server?

>>

>>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never

>>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer

>>console for errors or missing (404) files.

>>

>>Regards

>>

>>John Smith

>>Learning Technologist

>>School of Health and Life Sciences

>>

>>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII

>>

>>

>>

>>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au<mailto:dbrown61 at une.edu.au<mailto:dbrown61 at une.edu.au%3cmailto:dbrown61 at une.edu.au>>> wrote:

>>

>>

>>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this

>>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.

>>

>>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]

>>

>>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that

>>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And

>>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.

>>

>>I?m running a Mac.

>>

>>Something to fix in the next version, eh?

>>

>>Cheers,

>>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]

>>

>>Douglas Brown

>>Online Learning Designer

>>Learning Innovations Hub

>>

>>Parramatta Future Campus

>>Level 2, 232 Church Street

>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

>>

>>Phone  0477 740 230

>>

>>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au><http://www.une.edu.au/<http://www.une.edu.au%3chttp:/www.une.edu.au%3e%3chttp:/www.une.edu.au/>>

>>

>>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G

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>>From: Julian Tenney

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>><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham

>>.ac.uk>>>

>>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list

>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>><mai

>>lto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>

>>>

>>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm

>>To: "Xerte discussion list

>>(xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3e%3cmailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>>)"

>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>><mai

>>lto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>

>>>

>>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation

>>

>>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:

>>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s

>>currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:

>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

>>

>>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get

>>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it

>>fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe

>>there are others?

>>

>>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for

>>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be

>>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and

>>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff

>>into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy

>>and quick to do.

>>

>>Ideas?

>>

>>Thanks,

>>

>>Julian

>>

>>

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From dbrown61 at une.edu.au  Thu Jul 10 01:35:52 2014
From: dbrown61 at une.edu.au (Douglas Brown)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:35:52 +1000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
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John,

Yeah I didn?t try it on the iPad which of course runs Safari.

Despite my whinging, I think Xerte is pretty damn awesome. I love how it
runs without issue on an iPad 1.

Cheers,

Douglas Brown

Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G







On 9/07/2014 7:57 pm, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

>Ah so it's not iPad but Mac... that's an interesting bug that I've not
>seen before. Most likely it is to do with the mediaelements plugin so I
>will investigate and report an issue there.
>
>For info, it also manifests in Chrome, although slightly differently (see
>screenshot). If you have it fullscreen and the video stop and then you
>press esc or the fullscreen button then you return to the LO but the
>video is scaled wrongly and you can't get it to return to correct scaling
>without refreshing the LO.
>
>Regards,
>
>John Smith | Learning Technologist
>Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences |
>Glasgow Caledonian University
>Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>
>Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the
>School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that
>all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
>________________________________________
>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
>[dbrown61 at une.edu.au]
>Sent: 08 July 2014 00:19
>To: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>Cc: Xerte discussion list
>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
>
>Try pressing the ESC key at the end of the presentation.
>
>Douglas Brown
>
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
>
>www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 7/07/2014 5:47 pm, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on
>>iPad,
>>Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try again.
>>Ron
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
>>Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13
>>To: Xerte discussion list
>>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>>
>>John,
>>
>>I ran the
>>
>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>>
>>
>>In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was
>>Safari.
>>
>>What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can
>>run
>>with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that
>>is
>>causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running
>>Xerte
>>can do to overcome it :/
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Douglas Brown
>>
>>Online Learning Designer
>>Learning Innovations Hub
>>
>>Parramatta Future Campus
>>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>>
>>Phone  0477 740 230
>>
>>www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
>>
>>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Douglas
>>>
>>>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading
>>>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are
>>>you loading it from a server?
>>>
>>>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never
>>>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer
>>>console for errors or missing (404) files.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>
>>>John Smith
>>>Learning Technologist
>>>School of Health and Life Sciences
>>>
>>>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this
>>>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I
>>>see.
>>>
>>>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>>>
>>>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that
>>>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And
>>>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>>>
>>>I?m running a Mac.
>>>
>>>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>>>
>>>Douglas Brown
>>>Online Learning Designer
>>>Learning Innovations Hub
>>>
>>>Parramatta Future Campus
>>>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>>>
>>>Phone  0477 740 230
>>>
>>>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>
>>>
>>>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>>>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
>>>
>>>From: Julian Tenney
>>><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list
>>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
>>>To: "Xerte discussion list
>>>(xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)"
>>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>>>
>>>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:
>>>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently
>>>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>>>
>>>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
>>>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast
>>>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are
>>>others?
>>>
>>>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for
>>>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be
>>>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and
>>>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into
>>>Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and
>>>quick to do.
>>>
>>>Ideas?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Julian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk  Thu Jul 10 08:19:09 2014
From: Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk (Alistair McNaught)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 07:19:09 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
In-Reply-To: <CFE41BD7.6BF5%dbrown61@une.edu.au>
References: <hjfn6hvdk8mx0umf834heo6x.1404691899064@email.android.com>
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> I think Xerte is pretty damn awesome.

It's getting awesomer too. Some great things in the pipeline.

It's now almost available in Welsh as well (a few tweaks remaining)... not that that helps an Australian very much :-)

Alistair

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
Sent: 10 July 2014 01:36
To: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk
Cc: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question

John,

Yeah I didn?t try it on the iPad which of course runs Safari.

Despite my whinging, I think Xerte is pretty damn awesome. I love how it runs without issue on an iPad 1.

Cheers,

Douglas Brown

Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia

Phone  0477 740 230

www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>

CRICOS Provider Code 00003G







On 9/07/2014 7:57 pm, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

>Ah so it's not iPad but Mac... that's an interesting bug that I've not
>seen before. Most likely it is to do with the mediaelements plugin so I
>will investigate and report an issue there.
>
>For info, it also manifests in Chrome, although slightly differently
>(see screenshot). If you have it fullscreen and the video stop and then
>you press esc or the fullscreen button then you return to the LO but
>the video is scaled wrongly and you can't get it to return to correct
>scaling without refreshing the LO.
>
>Regards,
>
>John Smith | Learning Technologist
>Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences |
>Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>
>Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of
>the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will
>ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
>________________________________________
>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
>[dbrown61 at une.edu.au]
>Sent: 08 July 2014 00:19
>To: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>Cc: Xerte discussion list
>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
>
>Try pressing the ESC key at the end of the presentation.
>
>Douglas Brown
>
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
>
>www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 7/07/2014 5:47 pm, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on
>>iPad, Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try
>>again.
>>Ron
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas
>>Brown
>>Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13
>>To: Xerte discussion list
>>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>>
>>John,
>>
>>I ran the
>>
>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>>
>>
>>In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was
>>Safari.
>>
>>What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can
>>run with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be
>>Safari that is causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good
>>people running Xerte can do to overcome it :/
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Douglas Brown
>>
>>Online Learning Designer
>>Learning Innovations Hub
>>
>>Parramatta Future Campus
>>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>>
>>Phone  0477 740 230
>>
>>www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
>>
>>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Douglas
>>>
>>>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are
>>>loading that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your
>>>Mac or are you loading it from a server?
>>>
>>>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have
>>>never seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the
>>>developer console for errors or missing (404) files.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>
>>>John Smith
>>>Learning Technologist
>>>School of Health and Life Sciences
>>>
>>>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this
>>>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I
>>>see.
>>>
>>>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>>>
>>>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that
>>>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And
>>>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>>>
>>>I?m running a Mac.
>>>
>>>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>>>
>>>Douglas Brown
>>>Online Learning Designer
>>>Learning Innovations Hub
>>>
>>>Parramatta Future Campus
>>>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>>>
>>>Phone  0477 740 230
>>>
>>>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>
>>>
>>>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
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>>>From: Julian Tenney
>>><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>
>>>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list
>>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
>>>To: "Xerte discussion list
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>>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>>>
>>>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:
>>>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s
>>>currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>>>
>>>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
>>>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it
>>>fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe
>>>there are others?
>>>
>>>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for
>>>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could
>>>be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and
>>>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff
>>>into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are
>>>easy and quick to do.
>>>
>>>Ideas?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Julian
>>>
>>>
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From reijnders at tor.nl  Thu Jul 10 09:52:19 2014
From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:52:19 +0200
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
In-Reply-To: <EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74BD@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
References: <hjfn6hvdk8mx0umf834heo6x.1404691899064@email.android.com>	<CFE03084.62D6%dbrown61@une.edu.au>	<004301cf99b7$b8315760$28940620$@co.uk>	<CFE16805.63C9%dbrown61@une.edu.au>	<EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74B8@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>	<CAO2PinPBP02+qRe5e2Z3v+qaRjUAoLMn9oo5w=Kn8mEDnHEJKg@mail.gmail.com>,
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John,

The editor branch has the latest mediealements. (or at least latest as 
of last week... ;-) )

Tom

Smith, John schreef op 9-7-2014 12:57:
> Yeah I think it is the best, just seems to have a few issues with some browsers, mainly on Apple to be fair but that's a huge marketshare with mobile.
>
> I'll make contact with them once I get a feel for the scale of the issue. It may be that it's already fixed as they are quite actively developing it.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
> Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University
> Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>
> Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
> Sent: 09 July 2014 11:54
> To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
>
> If there are issues with mediaelement, maybe we should involve the developers there?
>
> We looked pretty hard at all the alternatives, and mediaelement was the best (at the time)
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
> Sent: 09 July 2014 11:54
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
>
> We have huge issues with jwplayer as it wants to open all videos in quicktime on apple stuff (so we make content in an "apple format" to allow for this)
>
> Might be quickest to say "if apple have display in quicktime link"
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
> Ah so it's not iPad but Mac... that's an interesting bug that I've not seen before. Most likely it is to do with the mediaelements plugin so I will investigate and report an issue there.
>
> For info, it also manifests in Chrome, although slightly differently (see screenshot). If you have it fullscreen and the video stop and then you press esc or the fullscreen button then you return to the LO but the video is scaled wrongly and you can't get it to return to correct scaling without refreshing the LO.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
> Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University
> Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>
> Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk> where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown [dbrown61 at une.edu.au<mailto:dbrown61 at une.edu.au>]
> Sent: 08 July 2014 00:19
> To: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
> Cc: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
>
> Try pressing the ESC key at the end of the presentation.
>
> Douglas Brown
>
> Online Learning Designer
> Learning Innovations Hub
>
> Parramatta Future Campus
> Level 2, 232 Church Street
> Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
> Phone  0477 740 230
>
> www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au> <http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
> CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/07/2014 5:47 pm, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on iPad,
>> Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try again.
>> Ron
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
>> Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I ran the
>>
>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>>
>>
>> In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was Safari.
>>
>> What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can run
>> with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that
>> is
>> causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running Xerte
>> can do to overcome it :/
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Douglas Brown
>>
>> Online Learning Designer
>> Learning Innovations Hub
>>
>> Parramatta Future Campus
>> Level 2, 232 Church Street
>> Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>>
>> Phone  0477 740 230
>>
>> www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au> <http://www.une.edu.au/>
>>
>> CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Douglas
>>>
>>> That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading
>>> that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are
>>> you loading it from a server?
>>>
>>> Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never
>>> seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer
>>> console for errors or missing (404) files.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> John Smith
>>> Learning Technologist
>>> School of Health and Life Sciences
>>>
>>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au<mailto:dbrown61 at une.edu.au>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this
>>> one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I see.
>>>
>>> [cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>>>
>>> I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that
>>> once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And
>>> there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>>>
>>> I?m running a Mac.
>>>
>>> Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> [cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>>>
>>> Douglas Brown
>>> Online Learning Designer
>>> Learning Innovations Hub
>>>
>>> Parramatta Future Campus
>>> Level 2, 232 Church Street
>>> Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>>>
>>> Phone  0477 740 230
>>>
>>> www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au><http://www.une.edu.au/>
>>>
>>> CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>>> [cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
>>>
>>> From: Julian Tenney
>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>>
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>>> Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
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>>> Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>>>
>>> I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:
>>> we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently
>>> using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>>>
>>> I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
>>> right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast
>>> and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are
>>> others?
>>>
>>> What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for
>>> this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be
>>> a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and
>>> narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into
>>> Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and
>>> quick to do.
>>>
>>> Ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com  Thu Jul 10 10:25:26 2014
From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat L (pgogy))
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:25:26 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
In-Reply-To: <CFE41BD7.6BF5%dbrown61@une.edu.au>
References: <hjfn6hvdk8mx0umf834heo6x.1404691899064@email.android.com>
	<CFE03084.62D6%dbrown61@une.edu.au>
	<004301cf99b7$b8315760$28940620$@co.uk>
	<CFE16805.63C9%dbrown61@une.edu.au>
	<EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA74B8@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>
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Hey,
Do you know of much use in Australia (I think you may be the first)
Pat


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:

> John,
>
> Yeah I didn?t try it on the iPad which of course runs Safari.
>
> Despite my whinging, I think Xerte is pretty damn awesome. I love how it
> runs without issue on an iPad 1.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Douglas Brown
>
> Online Learning Designer
> Learning Innovations Hub
>
> Parramatta Future Campus
> Level 2, 232 Church Street
> Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
> Phone  0477 740 230
>
> www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
> CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/07/2014 7:57 pm, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >Ah so it's not iPad but Mac... that's an interesting bug that I've not
> >seen before. Most likely it is to do with the mediaelements plugin so I
> >will investigate and report an issue there.
> >
> >For info, it also manifests in Chrome, although slightly differently (see
> >screenshot). If you have it fullscreen and the video stop and then you
> >press esc or the fullscreen button then you return to the LO but the
> >video is scaled wrongly and you can't get it to return to correct scaling
> >without refreshing the LO.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >John Smith | Learning Technologist
> >Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences |
> >Glasgow Caledonian University
> >Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
> >
> >Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the
> >School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that
> >all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
> >________________________________________
> >From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
> >[dbrown61 at une.edu.au]
> >Sent: 08 July 2014 00:19
> >To: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> >Cc: Xerte discussion list
> >Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
> >
> >Try pressing the ESC key at the end of the presentation.
> >
> >Douglas Brown
> >
> >Online Learning Designer
> >Learning Innovations Hub
> >
> >Parramatta Future Campus
> >Level 2, 232 Church Street
> >Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
> >
> >Phone  0477 740 230
> >
> >www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
> >
> >CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 7/07/2014 5:47 pm, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on
> >>iPad,
> >>Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try again.
> >>Ron
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >>[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
> >>Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13
> >>To: Xerte discussion list
> >>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
> >>
> >>John,
> >>
> >>I ran the
> >>
> >>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
> >>
> >>
> >>In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was
> >>Safari.
> >>
> >>What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can
> >>run
> >>with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be Safari that
> >>is
> >>causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good people running
> >>Xerte
> >>can do to overcome it :/
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>
> >>Douglas Brown
> >>
> >>Online Learning Designer
> >>Learning Innovations Hub
> >>
> >>Parramatta Future Campus
> >>Level 2, 232 Church Street
> >>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
> >>
> >>Phone  0477 740 230
> >>
> >>www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
> >>
> >>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi Douglas
> >>>
> >>>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are loading
> >>>that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your Mac or are
> >>>you loading it from a server?
> >>>
> >>>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have never
> >>>seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the developer
> >>>console for errors or missing (404) files.
> >>>
> >>>Regards
> >>>
> >>>John Smith
> >>>Learning Technologist
> >>>School of Health and Life Sciences
> >>>
> >>>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this
> >>>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I
> >>>see.
> >>>
> >>>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
> >>>
> >>>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that
> >>>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And
> >>>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
> >>>
> >>>I?m running a Mac.
> >>>
> >>>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
> >>>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
> >>>
> >>>Douglas Brown
> >>>Online Learning Designer
> >>>Learning Innovations Hub
> >>>
> >>>Parramatta Future Campus
> >>>Level 2, 232 Church Street
> >>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
> >>>
> >>>Phone  0477 740 230
> >>>
> >>>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>
> >>>
> >>>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
> >>>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
> >>>
> >>>From: Julian Tenney
> >>><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
> >>>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list
> >>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
> >>>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
> >>>To: "Xerte discussion list
> >>>(xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)"
> >>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
> >>>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
> >>>
> >>>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:
> >>>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s currently
> >>>using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
> >>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
> >>>
> >>>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
> >>>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast
> >>>and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are
> >>>others?
> >>>
> >>>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for
> >>>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could be
> >>>a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and
> >>>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff into
> >>>Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are easy and
> >>>quick to do.
> >>>
> >>>Ideas?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>Julian
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:26:08 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
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New South Wales, Alistair, New South Wales


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Alistair McNaught <
Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk> wrote:

> > I think Xerte is pretty damn awesome.
>
> It's getting awesomer too. Some great things in the pipeline.
>
> It's now almost available in Welsh as well (a few tweaks remaining)... not
> that that helps an Australian very much :-)
>
> Alistair
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
> Sent: 10 July 2014 01:36
> To: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk
> Cc: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
>
> John,
>
> Yeah I didn?t try it on the iPad which of course runs Safari.
>
> Despite my whinging, I think Xerte is pretty damn awesome. I love how it
> runs without issue on an iPad 1.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Douglas Brown
>
> Online Learning Designer
> Learning Innovations Hub
>
> Parramatta Future Campus
> Level 2, 232 Church Street
> Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
> Phone  0477 740 230
>
> www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
>
> CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/07/2014 7:57 pm, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >Ah so it's not iPad but Mac... that's an interesting bug that I've not
> >seen before. Most likely it is to do with the mediaelements plugin so I
> >will investigate and report an issue there.
> >
> >For info, it also manifests in Chrome, although slightly differently
> >(see screenshot). If you have it fullscreen and the video stop and then
> >you press esc or the fullscreen button then you return to the LO but
> >the video is scaled wrongly and you can't get it to return to correct
> >scaling without refreshing the LO.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >John Smith | Learning Technologist
> >Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences |
> >Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
> >
> >Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of
> >the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will
> >ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
> >________________________________________
> >From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
> >[dbrown61 at une.edu.au]
> >Sent: 08 July 2014 00:19
> >To: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> >Cc: Xerte discussion list
> >Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
> >
> >Try pressing the ESC key at the end of the presentation.
> >
> >Douglas Brown
> >
> >Online Learning Designer
> >Learning Innovations Hub
> >
> >Parramatta Future Campus
> >Level 2, 232 Church Street
> >Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
> >
> >Phone  0477 740 230
> >
> >www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
> >
> >CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 7/07/2014 5:47 pm, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on
> >>iPad, Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try
> >>again.
> >>Ron
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >>[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Douglas
> >>Brown
> >>Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13
> >>To: Xerte discussion list
> >>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
> >>
> >>John,
> >>
> >>I ran the
> >>
> >>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
> >>
> >>
> >>In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was
> >>Safari.
> >>
> >>What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can
> >>run with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be
> >>Safari that is causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good
> >>people running Xerte can do to overcome it :/
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>
> >>Douglas Brown
> >>
> >>Online Learning Designer
> >>Learning Innovations Hub
> >>
> >>Parramatta Future Campus
> >>Level 2, 232 Church Street
> >>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
> >>
> >>Phone  0477 740 230
> >>
> >>www.une.edu.au <http://www.une.edu.au/>
> >>
> >>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi Douglas
> >>>
> >>>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are
> >>>loading that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your
> >>>Mac or are you loading it from a server?
> >>>
> >>>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have
> >>>never seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the
> >>>developer console for errors or missing (404) files.
> >>>
> >>>Regards
> >>>
> >>>John Smith
> >>>Learning Technologist
> >>>School of Health and Life Sciences
> >>>
> >>>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this
> >>>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I
> >>>see.
> >>>
> >>>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
> >>>
> >>>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that
> >>>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And
> >>>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
> >>>
> >>>I?m running a Mac.
> >>>
> >>>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
> >>>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
> >>>
> >>>Douglas Brown
> >>>Online Learning Designer
> >>>Learning Innovations Hub
> >>>
> >>>Parramatta Future Campus
> >>>Level 2, 232 Church Street
> >>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
> >>>
> >>>Phone  0477 740 230
> >>>
> >>>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/>
> >>>
> >>>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
> >>>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
> >>>
> >>>From: Julian Tenney
> >>><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> >>>>>
> >>>Reply-To: Xerte discussion list
> >>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
> >>>Date: Friday, 4 July 2014 6:48 pm
> >>>To: "Xerte discussion list
> >>>(xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>)"
> >>><xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
> >>>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
> >>>
> >>>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:
> >>>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s
> >>>currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
> >>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
> >>>
> >>>I think the results are really good, and it?s taken some time to get
> >>>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it
> >>>fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe
> >>>there are others?
> >>>
> >>>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for
> >>>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could
> >>>be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and
> >>>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff
> >>>into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are
> >>>easy and quick to do.
> >>>
> >>>Ideas?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>Julian
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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From: Alistair.McNaught at HEAcademy.ac.uk (Alistair McNaught)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:01:54 +0000
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
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Dohhh?
?.to think I once taught Geography. And in the Falkland Islands no less, just a few miles south of the Isle of Wight between Australia and Patagonia.

A

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat L (pgogy)
Sent: 10 July 2014 10:26
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question

New South Wales, Alistair, New South Wales

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk<mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:
> I think Xerte is pretty damn awesome.
It's getting awesomer too. Some great things in the pipeline.

It's now almost available in Welsh as well (a few tweaks remaining)... not that that helps an Australian very much :-)

Alistair

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
Sent: 10 July 2014 01:36
To: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>
Cc: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question

John,

Yeah I didn?t try it on the iPad which of course runs Safari.

Despite my whinging, I think Xerte is pretty damn awesome. I love how it runs without issue on an iPad 1.

Cheers,

Douglas Brown

Online Learning Designer
Learning Innovations Hub

Parramatta Future Campus
Level 2, 232 Church Street
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On 9/07/2014 7:57 pm, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:

>Ah so it's not iPad but Mac... that's an interesting bug that I've not
>seen before. Most likely it is to do with the mediaelements plugin so I
>will investigate and report an issue there.
>
>For info, it also manifests in Chrome, although slightly differently
>(see screenshot). If you have it fullscreen and the video stop and then
>you press esc or the fullscreen button then you return to the LO but
>the video is scaled wrongly and you can't get it to return to correct
>scaling without refreshing the LO.
>
>Regards,
>
>John Smith | Learning Technologist
>Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences |
>Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>
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>the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will
>ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
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>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
>[dbrown61 at une.edu.au<mailto:dbrown61 at une.edu.au>]
>Sent: 08 July 2014 00:19
>To: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
>Cc: Xerte discussion list
>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Safari question
>
>Try pressing the ESC key at the end of the presentation.
>
>Douglas Brown
>
>Online Learning Designer
>Learning Innovations Hub
>
>Parramatta Future Campus
>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>
>Phone  0477 740 230
>
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>
>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 7/07/2014 5:47 pm, "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>>Like John I've never seen that and can't reproduce that on Safari on
>>iPad, Windows or Mac OS. Perhaps try clearing the safari cache and try
>>again.
>>Ron
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>>[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Douglas
>>Brown
>>Sent: 07 July 2014 02:13
>>To: Xerte discussion list
>>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>>
>>John,
>>
>>I ran the
>>
>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>>
>>
>>In Google Chrome and Firefox and it didn?t happen. The culprit was
>>Safari.
>>
>>What?s unfortunate is that Safari tends to be the only browser one can
>>run with the earlier versions of iPads. But since it seems to be
>>Safari that is causing the issue, I suppose there?s nothing the good
>>people running Xerte can do to overcome it :/
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Douglas Brown
>>
>>Online Learning Designer
>>Learning Innovations Hub
>>
>>Parramatta Future Campus
>>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>>
>>Phone  0477 740 230
>>
>>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au> <http://www.une.edu.au/>
>>
>>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 7/07/2014 10:11 am, "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Douglas
>>>
>>>That is not normal behaviour so i'm curious as to where you are
>>>loading that learning object from. Is Xerte running locally on your
>>>Mac or are you loading it from a server?
>>>
>>>Also, which browser are you using? I use Xerte on a Mac and have
>>>never seen that behaviour before so would advise you ti check the
>>>developer console for errors or missing (404) files.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>
>>>John Smith
>>>Learning Technologist
>>>School of Health and Life Sciences
>>>
>>>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Douglas Brown <dbrown61 at une.edu.au<mailto:dbrown61 at une.edu.au>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>While I have been impressed with Xerte?s functionalities, I find this
>>>one small aspect a bit distracting? see the Screen Capture of what I
>>>see.
>>>
>>>[cid:4602426C-B965-4360-8221-186F3CEB44F8]
>>>
>>>I just imagine the Learner feeling a bit anxious about the fact that
>>>once the Video closes you can?t simply click and drag it open. And
>>>there is whole pile of white space where the Video could sit.
>>>
>>>I?m running a Mac.
>>>
>>>Something to fix in the next version, eh?
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>[cid:FEBFE5A2-C9CE-4291-8271-18390C45B296]
>>>
>>>Douglas Brown
>>>Online Learning Designer
>>>Learning Innovations Hub
>>>
>>>Parramatta Future Campus
>>>Level 2, 232 Church Street
>>>Parramatta NSW 2150 Australia
>>>
>>>Phone  0477 740 230
>>>
>>>www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au><http://www.une.edu.au/>
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>>>CRICOS Provider Code 00003G
>>>[cid:9377AD25-F3FB-4131-BAC9-EA2D7791196E]
>>>
>>>From: Julian Tenney
>>><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
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>>>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>>>
>>>I?m just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing:
>>>we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He?s
>>>currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>>>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>>>
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>>>right. I?m interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it
>>>fast and efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe
>>>there are others?
>>>
>>>What I?m interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for
>>>this sort of thing? It doesn?t have to be high end output: it could
>>>be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and
>>>narrating the process for example. We?re not looking to turn staff
>>>into Flash developers, it?s more about simple approaches that are
>>>easy and quick to do.
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>>>Thanks,
>>>
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From Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 10:54:14 2014
From: Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Dawson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:54:14 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
Message-ID: <9E22C81F-20AC-4803-A823-ED6F16B73502@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk>

Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can?t get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to ?Import Image? which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.

However, when I select an image and ?Open? it to upload, nothing happens and I?m returned to a blank ?Edit Diagram? canvas. There?s nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I?d like to use but it?s not going to be much help if I can?t upload existing images.

For the record, I?m running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I?ve tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
Cheers,


	Simon.

From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 11:10:36 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:10:36 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
In-Reply-To: <9E22C81F-20AC-4803-A823-ED6F16B73502@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk>
References: <9E22C81F-20AC-4803-A823-ED6F16B73502@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk>
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Are you using FireFox?

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Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?

Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.

However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.

For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
Cheers,


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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 11:11:31 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:11:31 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
In-Reply-To: <9E22C81F-20AC-4803-A823-ED6F16B73502@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk>
References: <9E22C81F-20AC-4803-A823-ED6F16B73502@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk>
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Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?

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Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?

Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.

However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.

For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
Cheers,


	Simon.
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From Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 11:35:18 2014
From: Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Dawson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:35:18 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
In-Reply-To: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D90B6E315@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
References: <9E22C81F-20AC-4803-A823-ED6F16B73502@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk>
	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D90B6E315@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
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Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn?t any better :(

	Simon.

On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
> 
> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
> 
> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
> 
> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
> Cheers,
> 
> 
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 11:36:25 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:36:25 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
In-Reply-To: <CC880EBB-E934-4CC2-9D0A-AAE06C3A7306@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk>
References: <9E22C81F-20AC-4803-A823-ED6F16B73502@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk>
	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D90B6E315@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>
	<CC880EBB-E934-4CC2-9D0A-AAE06C3A7306@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D90B6E344@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>

It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?

Do you know which version of xerte you are running?

Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?

Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(

	Simon.

On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
> 
> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
> 
> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
> 
> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> 	Simon.
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From Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 11:44:44 2014
From: Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Dawson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:44:44 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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Hmm. Confusing. Chrome on Windows 7 works, at least for a photo. Had a look at Chrome on the Mac again and it seems dependent on the image - some JPEGs are loading, but others aren?t?

Using Xerte Online Toolkit @ UoN.


On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
> 
> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
> 
> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
> 
> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
> 
> 	Simon.
> 
> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>> 
>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>> 
>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>> 
>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> 	Simon.
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 11:48:35 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:48:35 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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Is it a problem with jpeg vs jpg as the file extension?

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
Sent: 16 July 2014 11:45
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?

Hmm. Confusing. Chrome on Windows 7 works, at least for a photo. Had a look at Chrome on the Mac again and it seems dependent on the image - some JPEGs are loading, but others aren't...

Using Xerte Online Toolkit @ UoN.


On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
> 
> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
> 
> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
> 
> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
> 
> 	Simon.
> 
> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>> 
>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>> 
>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>> 
>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> 	Simon.
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From Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 11:51:41 2014
From: Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Dawson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:51:41 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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OK. Same images that work with Chrome on the Mac work with FF as well. Damned if I know what the difference in the image files are though?


On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
> 
> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
> 
> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
> 
> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
> 
> 	Simon.
> 
> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>> 
>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>> 
>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>> 
>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> 	Simon.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte
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From reijnders at tor.nl  Wed Jul 16 11:51:27 2014
From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:51:27 +0200
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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Hmm, we still have not got this template working in the new editor.... 
There were suggestions that we could leave it out, but can we?

Simon Dawson schreef op 16-7-2014 12:44:
> Hmm. Confusing. Chrome on Windows 7 works, at least for a photo. Had a look at Chrome on the Mac again and it seems dependent on the image - some JPEGs are loading, but others aren?t?
>
> Using Xerte Online Toolkit @ UoN.
>
>
> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
>>
>> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
>>
>> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>
>> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
>>
>> 	Simon.
>>
>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>>
>>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>>>
>>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>>>
>>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> 	Simon.
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte
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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 11:50:43 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:50:43 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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Meant to say on v2.1... Chrome on Mac works fine...

It's definitely Flash cookie bug related though - we debugged this before so i'm sure this must be a v1.9/v2.0 install

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 16 July 2014 11:36
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?

It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?

Do you know which version of xerte you are running?

Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?

Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(

        Simon.

On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>
> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>
> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>
> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
> Cheers,
>
>
>       Simon.
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From Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 11:52:58 2014
From: Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Dawson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:52:58 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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Don?t think so - all my JPEG image files have a .jpg suffix.

On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:48, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Is it a problem with jpeg vs jpg as the file extension?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:45
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
> 
> Hmm. Confusing. Chrome on Windows 7 works, at least for a photo. Had a look at Chrome on the Mac again and it seems dependent on the image - some JPEGs are loading, but others aren't...
> 
> Using Xerte Online Toolkit @ UoN.
> 
> 
> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
>> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
>> 
>> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
>> 
>> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>> 
>> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
>> 
>> 	Simon.
>> 
>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>> 
>>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>>> 
>>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>>> 
>>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 	Simon.
>>> _______________________________________________
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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 11:50:25 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:50:25 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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Chrome on Mac works fine for me...

Regards,

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 16 July 2014 11:36
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?

It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?

Do you know which version of xerte you are running?

Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?

Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(

        Simon.

On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>
> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>
> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>
> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
> Cheers,
>
>
>       Simon.
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From Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 11:59:16 2014
From: Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Dawson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:59:16 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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OK. Now I?m really confused. An image that didn?t import in FF on the Mac, WILL now import if I?ve previously imported it via Chrome?

Seems to be a real mix for me. Chrome on the Mac definitely more reliable than FF but there are some .png or .jpg files that won?t import using either.

On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:48, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Is it a problem with jpeg vs jpg as the file extension?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:45
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
> 
> Hmm. Confusing. Chrome on Windows 7 works, at least for a photo. Had a look at Chrome on the Mac again and it seems dependent on the image - some JPEGs are loading, but others aren't...
> 
> Using Xerte Online Toolkit @ UoN.
> 
> 
> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
>> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
>> 
>> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
>> 
>> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>> 
>> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
>> 
>> 	Simon.
>> 
>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>> 
>>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>>> 
>>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>>> 
>>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 	Simon.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Xerte mailing list
>>> Xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte
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>> 
>> 
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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 11:57:51 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:57:51 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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Gifs don't work for me...

What size are the images?

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University
Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson [Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 16 July 2014 11:51
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?

OK. Same images that work with Chrome on the Mac work with FF as well. Damned if I know what the difference in the image files are though?


On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
>
> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
>
> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>
> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
>
>       Simon.
>
> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>
>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>>
>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>>
>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>      Simon.
>> _______________________________________________
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From Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 12:02:06 2014
From: Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Dawson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:02:06 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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Bit of a mix. Some pretty small (~200 x 200px) and some bigger (~1000 x 1000px). Nothing too huge.


On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:57, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

> Gifs don't work for me...
> 
> What size are the images?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
> Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University
> Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
> 
> Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson [Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk]
> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:51
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
> 
> OK. Same images that work with Chrome on the Mac work with FF as well. Damned if I know what the difference in the image files are though?
> 
> 
> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
>> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
>> 
>> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
>> 
>> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>> 
>> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
>> 
>>      Simon.
>> 
>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>> 
>>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>>> 
>>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>>> 
>>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>>     Simon.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Xerte mailing list
>>> Xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte
>>> 
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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 11:58:48 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:58:48 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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Can we somehow just launch the Flash editor for this and the drawing one? Even temporarily... it wouldn't work on mobile but at least it would work if you switch to desktop?

Regards,

John Smith | Learning Technologist
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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl]
Sent: 16 July 2014 11:51
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?

Hmm, we still have not got this template working in the new editor....
There were suggestions that we could leave it out, but can we?

Simon Dawson schreef op 16-7-2014 12:44:
> Hmm. Confusing. Chrome on Windows 7 works, at least for a photo. Had a look at Chrome on the Mac again and it seems dependent on the image - some JPEGs are loading, but others aren?t?
>
> Using Xerte Online Toolkit @ UoN.
>
>
> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
>>
>> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
>>
>> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>
>> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
>>
>>      Simon.
>>
>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>>
>>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>>>
>>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>>>
>>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>     Simon.
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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 12:04:04 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:04:04 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
In-Reply-To: <E36447E7-348C-4C44-9672-56608CD58D45@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk>
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	<CC880EBB-E934-4CC2-9D0A-AAE06C3A7306@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk>
	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D90B6E344@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>,
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	<EE0B2AFFDB88B34AA864E00CE98914C22BFDBA750E@ITSEMBXCLUS.enterprise.gcal.ac.uk>,
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Sorry, thinking more of filesize...

I think best you can hope for in the medium term is to convert them. Try converting to png.

Regards,

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson [Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 16 July 2014 12:02
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?

Bit of a mix. Some pretty small (~200 x 200px) and some bigger (~1000 x 1000px). Nothing too huge.


On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:57, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

> Gifs don't work for me...
>
> What size are the images?
>
> Regards,
>
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> Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University
> Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>
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> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson [Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk]
> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:51
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>
> OK. Same images that work with Chrome on the Mac work with FF as well. Damned if I know what the difference in the image files are though?
>
>
> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
>>
>> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
>>
>> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>
>> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
>>
>>      Simon.
>>
>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>>
>>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>>>
>>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>>>
>>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>     Simon.
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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 12:11:42 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:11:42 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
In-Reply-To: <B15C4342-0E7D-400E-B0FE-453A4221DEC0@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk>
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	<12C67A1EEC419342AF5E59DA31562C3F0D90B6E356@EXCHANGE1.ad.nottingham.ac.uk>,
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Hi Simon,

No it probably didn't work the second time either. What happens is the first time you upload the file goes up and the filename is stored...

The second time the file is interrupted and doesn't save but the system still stores the filename. then it refreshes and loads the image with that filename... because it is already there it loads fine...

Regards,

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson [Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 16 July 2014 11:59
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?

OK. Now I?m really confused. An image that didn?t import in FF on the Mac, WILL now import if I?ve previously imported it via Chrome?

Seems to be a real mix for me. Chrome on the Mac definitely more reliable than FF but there are some .png or .jpg files that won?t import using either.

On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:48, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Is it a problem with jpeg vs jpg as the file extension?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:45
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>
> Hmm. Confusing. Chrome on Windows 7 works, at least for a photo. Had a look at Chrome on the Mac again and it seems dependent on the image - some JPEGs are loading, but others aren't...
>
> Using Xerte Online Toolkit @ UoN.
>
>
> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
>>
>> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
>>
>> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>
>> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
>>
>>      Simon.
>>
>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Dawson
>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>>
>>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>>>
>>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>>>
>>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>     Simon.
>>> _______________________________________________
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From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 12:16:23 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:16:23 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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It's used here - so leaving it out would cause some problems, but perhaps we just launch the flash editor?

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: 16 July 2014 11:51
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?

Hmm, we still have not got this template working in the new editor.... 
There were suggestions that we could leave it out, but can we?

Simon Dawson schreef op 16-7-2014 12:44:
> Hmm. Confusing. Chrome on Windows 7 works, at least for a photo. Had a 
> look at Chrome on the Mac again and it seems dependent on the image - 
> some JPEGs are loading, but others aren't...
>
> Using Xerte Online Toolkit @ UoN.
>
>
> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
>>
>> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
>>
>> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon 
>> Dawson
>> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>
>> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also 
>> tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
>>
>> 	Simon.
>>
>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon 
>>> Dawson
>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>>
>>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>>>
>>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>>>
>>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> 	Simon.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Xerte mailing list
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From reijnders at tor.nl  Wed Jul 16 12:25:36 2014
From: reijnders at tor.nl (Tom Reijnders)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:25:36 +0200
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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Yes, we should look if we can manage that. Not sure how to do that at 
the moment. John? Any ideas? You suggested the same.

Tom

Julian Tenney schreef op 16-7-2014 13:16:
> It's used here - so leaving it out would cause some problems, but perhaps we just launch the flash editor?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:51
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> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>
> Hmm, we still have not got this template working in the new editor....
> There were suggestions that we could leave it out, but can we?
>
> Simon Dawson schreef op 16-7-2014 12:44:
>> Hmm. Confusing. Chrome on Windows 7 works, at least for a photo. Had a
>> look at Chrome on the Mac again and it seems dependent on the image -
>> some JPEGs are loading, but others aren't...
>>
>> Using Xerte Online Toolkit @ UoN.
>>
>>
>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
>>>
>>> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
>>>
>>> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon
>>> Dawson
>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>>
>>> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also
>>> tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
>>>
>>> 	Simon.
>>>
>>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon
>>>> Dawson
>>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>>>
>>>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>>>>
>>>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>>>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>>>>
>>>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 	Simon.
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From Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 12:31:23 2014
From: Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Dawson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:31:23 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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Ack! Damn. OK. What seems to be happening for me isn?t what I thought. The images that I thought weren?t importing in FF on the Mac are going in OK (I think). The trouble was, they?re line drawings on a white background and they don?t appear to be resized on the canvas when imported so they?re too big for the available canvas and all I see is the top-left of the image?.which is a bit of a white background. If I zoom out, the image is there. I?ll have to make sure I don?t go above a certain image size. Sorry to have you chasing around over this.

Incidentally, is there a help for this Interactive Image module? I can?t find anything and I?m not sure how I can actually add the interactivity to an uploaded image as nothing seems intuitively obvious. If I select as the interactivity, ?Hotspots?, there doesn?t appear to be an obvious way to add any or to annotate them?

On 16 Jul 2014, at 12:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> It's used here - so leaving it out would cause some problems, but perhaps we just launch the flash editor?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:51
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
> 
> Hmm, we still have not got this template working in the new editor.... 
> There were suggestions that we could leave it out, but can we?
> 
> Simon Dawson schreef op 16-7-2014 12:44:
>> Hmm. Confusing. Chrome on Windows 7 works, at least for a photo. Had a 
>> look at Chrome on the Mac again and it seems dependent on the image - 
>> some JPEGs are loading, but others aren't...
>> 
>> Using Xerte Online Toolkit @ UoN.
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
>>> 
>>> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
>>> 
>>> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon 
>>> Dawson
>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>> 
>>> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also 
>>> tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
>>> 
>>> 	Simon.
>>> 
>>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
>>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon 
>>>> Dawson
>>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>>>> 
>>>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>>>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>>>> 
>>>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 	Simon.
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From J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 12:49:01 2014
From: J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk (Smith, John)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:49:01 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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I'll take a look at it. Shouldn't be that hard to launch etc although the flash to flash data transfer might be the issue. We might need to modify the drawing editor in flash to do what we want...

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl]
Sent: 16 July 2014 12:25
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Yes, we should look if we can manage that. Not sure how to do that at
the moment. John? Any ideas? You suggested the same.

Tom

Julian Tenney schreef op 16-7-2014 13:16:
> It's used here - so leaving it out would cause some problems, but perhaps we just launch the flash editor?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:51
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>
> Hmm, we still have not got this template working in the new editor....
> There were suggestions that we could leave it out, but can we?
>
> Simon Dawson schreef op 16-7-2014 12:44:
>> Hmm. Confusing. Chrome on Windows 7 works, at least for a photo. Had a
>> look at Chrome on the Mac again and it seems dependent on the image -
>> some JPEGs are loading, but others aren't...
>>
>> Using Xerte Online Toolkit @ UoN.
>>
>>
>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
>>>
>>> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
>>>
>>> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon
>>> Dawson
>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>>
>>> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also
>>> tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
>>>
>>>     Simon.
>>>
>>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon
>>>> Dawson
>>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>>>
>>>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>>>>
>>>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>>>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>>>>
>>>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Simon.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From J.Matthews at bbk.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 16:34:27 2014
From: J.Matthews at bbk.ac.uk (John Matthews)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:34:27 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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Simon,

first, select the image-  it won't be selected even if you have only just imported it, and you may need to switch to the arrow tool to select it.

Once you've done that, click the pencil icon at the very bottom right of the panel in the middle of the bottom of the screen. The boxes there are the ones you fill in, and what appears when that image is clicked on.


-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk on behalf of Simon Dawson
Sent: Wed 7/16/2014 12:31
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
 
Ack! Damn. OK. What seems to be happening for me isn't what I thought. The images that I thought weren't importing in FF on the Mac are going in OK (I think). The trouble was, they're line drawings on a white background and they don't appear to be resized on the canvas when imported so they're too big for the available canvas and all I see is the top-left of the image..which is a bit of a white background. If I zoom out, the image is there. I'll have to make sure I don't go above a certain image size. Sorry to have you chasing around over this.

Incidentally, is there a help for this Interactive Image module? I can't find anything and I'm not sure how I can actually add the interactivity to an uploaded image as nothing seems intuitively obvious. If I select as the interactivity, "Hotspots", there doesn't appear to be an obvious way to add any or to annotate them.

On 16 Jul 2014, at 12:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> It's used here - so leaving it out would cause some problems, but perhaps we just launch the flash editor?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:51
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
> 
> Hmm, we still have not got this template working in the new editor.... 
> There were suggestions that we could leave it out, but can we?
> 
> Simon Dawson schreef op 16-7-2014 12:44:
>> Hmm. Confusing. Chrome on Windows 7 works, at least for a photo. Had a 
>> look at Chrome on the Mac again and it seems dependent on the image - 
>> some JPEGs are loading, but others aren't...
>> 
>> Using Xerte Online Toolkit @ UoN.
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
>>> 
>>> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
>>> 
>>> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon 
>>> Dawson
>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>> 
>>> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also 
>>> tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
>>> 
>>> 	Simon.
>>> 
>>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
>>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon 
>>>> Dawson
>>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>>>> 
>>>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>>>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>>>> 
>>>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 	Simon.
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From Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 16 16:43:01 2014
From: Simon.Dawson at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Dawson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:43:01 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
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Hi John. Thanks for confirming that. I think I was just about on the right track over the last hour or so?

On 16 Jul 2014, at 16:34, John Matthews <J.Matthews at bbk.ac.uk> wrote:

> Simon,
> 
> first, select the image-  it won't be selected even if you have only just imported it, and you may need to switch to the arrow tool to select it.
> 
> Once you've done that, click the pencil icon at the very bottom right of the panel in the middle of the bottom of the screen. The boxes there are the ones you fill in, and what appears when that image is clicked on.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk on behalf of Simon Dawson
> Sent: Wed 7/16/2014 12:31
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
> 
> Ack! Damn. OK. What seems to be happening for me isn't what I thought. The images that I thought weren't importing in FF on the Mac are going in OK (I think). The trouble was, they're line drawings on a white background and they don't appear to be resized on the canvas when imported so they're too big for the available canvas and all I see is the top-left of the image..which is a bit of a white background. If I zoom out, the image is there. I'll have to make sure I don't go above a certain image size. Sorry to have you chasing around over this.
> 
> Incidentally, is there a help for this Interactive Image module? I can't find anything and I'm not sure how I can actually add the interactivity to an uploaded image as nothing seems intuitively obvious. If I select as the interactivity, "Hotspots", there doesn't appear to be an obvious way to add any or to annotate them.
> 
> On 16 Jul 2014, at 12:16, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
>> It's used here - so leaving it out would cause some problems, but perhaps we just launch the flash editor?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
>> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:51
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>> 
>> Hmm, we still have not got this template working in the new editor....
>> There were suggestions that we could leave it out, but can we?
>> 
>> Simon Dawson schreef op 16-7-2014 12:44:
>>> Hmm. Confusing. Chrome on Windows 7 works, at least for a photo. Had a
>>> look at Chrome on the Mac again and it seems dependent on the image -
>>> some JPEGs are loading, but others aren't...
>>> 
>>> Using Xerte Online Toolkit @ UoN.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It doesn't work in Chrome on Windows?
>>>> 
>>>> Do you know which version of xerte you are running?
>>>> 
>>>> Can you upload other media OK (I'm guessing you can...)
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon
>>>> Dawson
>>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 11:35
>>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Julian. OK. Tried Chrome - no dice. Just to further update, also
>>>> tried FF on Windows 7 as well and that wasn't any better :(
>>>> 
>>>>    Simon.
>>>> 
>>>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 11:11, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Duh. Should read all the message: there is known problem with importing images into that template with FireFox, I'm not aware it also affects Safari, but maybe it does. Can you use Chrome?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Simon
>>>>> Dawson
>>>>> Sent: 16 July 2014 10:54
>>>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>> Subject: [Xerte] Problems with Interactive Diagrams and image import?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi. New to Xerte and trying to look at its functionality. Seems pretty good but I can't get the Interactive Diagrams to work with an existing image import. I can select the button option to "Import Image" which gives me a dialogue to select a local image. JPEG and PNG seem to be visible to import quite happily.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, when I select an image and "Open" it to upload, nothing happens and I'm returned to a blank "Edit Diagram" canvas. There's nothing that hangs up and no dialogue boxes that I seem to have missed.
>>>>> Can anyone offer any insight???? This looks like quite a neat interactivity option which I'd like to use but it's not going to be much help if I can't upload existing images.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For the record, I'm running a Mac w/ OS X Mavericks (10.9.4) and I've tried to do this with both Firefox and Safari - no go.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Simon.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From antonio_vieira_1008 at yahoo.com.br  Tue Jul 22 19:00:22 2014
From: antonio_vieira_1008 at yahoo.com.br (Antonio Vieira)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 11:00:22 -0700
Subject: [Xerte] Xerte/Xot translation
Message-ID: <1406052022.3877.YahooMailNeo@web125105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Dear friends, 

Seen in xertetrans files with translation into Portuguese, but do not know how to use xertetrans and swap files and where they are. I appreciate your can send me complete information for the translation of the interface and design created in Xerte to the Portuguese of Brazil using the tool XerteTrans. I really need it. 

I enter with guest / guest in xertetrans. I can download it I need or need password Nottingham? 

Thank you all. 

Antonio Vieira
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From knowledgeware at kccsoft.com  Tue Jul 22 19:06:33 2014
From: knowledgeware at kccsoft.com (KnowledgeWare)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 11:06:33 -0700
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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I'm trying to add some of these simple animations now to an LO. Fireworks
does animated gif's but I find it difficult to use/decipher. Authorware's
ability to move objects on a path at a set time was very useful for this
type of thing and would be another great addition to xot.

RonM2

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 2:21 AM
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add
sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined
script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page
when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like
that...

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow
Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the
School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that
all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
________________________________________
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
[Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48
To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)
Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation

I'm just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we
have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He's currently using
powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

I think the results are really good, and it's taken some time to get right.
I'm interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and
efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?

What I'm interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this
sort of thing? It doesn't have to be high end output: it could be a mixture
of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process
for example. We're not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it's
more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.

Ideas?

Thanks,

Julian







From Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk  Wed Jul 23 09:54:55 2014
From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk (Julian Tenney)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:54:55 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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We did think about making an animation template, so you can add graphics to the stage and then animate them Authorware style using commands in icons: move, erase, animate, etc. It wouldn't be too hard to develop if anyone wants to have a crack at it,

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of KnowledgeWare
Sent: 22 July 2014 19:07
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

I'm trying to add some of these simple animations now to an LO. Fireworks does animated gif's but I find it difficult to use/decipher. Authorware's ability to move objects on a path at a set time was very useful for this type of thing and would be another great addition to xot.

RonM2

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 2:21 AM
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation

I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...

John Smith | Learning Technologist
Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA

Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
________________________________________
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48
To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)
Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation

I'm just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He's currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711

I think the results are really good, and it's taken some time to get right.
I'm interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and
efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?

What I'm interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn't have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We're not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it's more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.

Ideas?

Thanks,

Julian






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From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com  Wed Jul 23 11:18:17 2014
From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat L (pgogy))
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:18:17 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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going to start a post on xerte-dev


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Julian Tenney <
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> We did think about making an animation template, so you can add graphics
> to the stage and then animate them Authorware style using commands in
> icons: move, erase, animate, etc. It wouldn't be too hard to develop if
> anyone wants to have a crack at it,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of KnowledgeWare
> Sent: 22 July 2014 19:07
> To: 'Xerte discussion list'
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
> I'm trying to add some of these simple animations now to an LO. Fireworks
> does animated gif's but I find it difficult to use/decipher. Authorware's
> ability to move objects on a path at a set time was very useful for this
> type of thing and would be another great addition to xot.
>
> RonM2
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 2:21 AM
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
> I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then
> add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a
> predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to
> tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do
> something like that...
>
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
> Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences |
> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>
> Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the
> School Learning Technologists will pick up the job. This will ensure that
> all jobs are completed as promptly as possible.
> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
> Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48
> To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)
> Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>
> I'm just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we
> have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He's currently using
> powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
> I think the results are really good, and it's taken some time to get right.
> I'm interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and
> efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?
>
> What I'm interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this
> sort of thing? It doesn't have to be high end output: it could be a mixture
> of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process
> for example. We're not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it's
> more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julian
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: antonio_vieira_1008 at yahoo.com.br (Antonio Vieira)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:06:59 -0700
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
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thank you.



Em Quarta-feira, 23 de Julho de 2014 7:28, Pat L (pgogy) <xerte at pgogywebstuff.com> escreveu:
 


going to start a post on xerte-dev



On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

We did think about making an animation template, so you can add graphics to the stage and then animate them Authorware style using commands in icons: move, erase, animate, etc. It wouldn't be too hard to develop if anyone wants to have a crack at it,
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of KnowledgeWare
>Sent: 22 July 2014 19:07
>To: 'Xerte discussion list'
>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>I'm trying to add some of these simple animations now to an LO. Fireworks does animated gif's but I find it difficult to use/decipher. Authorware's ability to move objects on a path at a set time was very useful for this type of thing and would be another great addition to xot.
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>RonM2
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>[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
>Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 2:21 AM
>To: Xerte discussion list
>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating Animation
>
>I've often thought that we could use a page type that allows you to then add sub elements (media) each with their own script to control or a predefined script (such as move to the left, etc) and possibly a timer to tell the page when to run the script... shouldn't be that hard to do something like that...
>
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>From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
>Sent: 04 July 2014 09:48
>To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)
>Subject: [Xerte] Creating Animation
>
>I'm just wondering what approaches people use for this sort of thing: we have a lecturer who wants to create animation simply. He's currently using powerpoint to create this sort of thing:
>http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_10711
>
>I think the results are really good, and it's taken some time to get right.
>I'm interested in optimising the approach a bit, to make it fast and
>efficient: maybe this is the best way of doing it, maybe there are others?
>
>What I'm interested in is what approaches / tools do people use for this sort of thing? It doesn't have to be high end output: it could be a mixture of screen capture, whilst dragging things around and narrating the process for example. We're not looking to turn staff into Flash developers, it's more about simple approaches that are easy and quick to do.
>
>Ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Julian
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From j.yardley at londonmet.ac.uk  Mon Jul 28 14:34:53 2014
From: j.yardley at londonmet.ac.uk (Jacob Yardley)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:34:53 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.
Message-ID: <CA+tg4LJaLXVreSv+BvPG5aLgA1F7R7=-7+e5SwfVivWdU5CDFA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello List,
Our users are able to export from version 2.0 as far as a zip file is
created, but on trying to open the zip file are told it is invalid and it
can neither be opened nor imported. Any idea why?

We need to transfer to a new server soon which has 2.1 installed. Guest
access and zip export works fine on the new server, but cannot get LDAP to
work despite using the same settings as our 2.0 server. There seem to be
few problems with LDAP on 2.1 noted elsewhere, but from debug logs we
simply get the following repeated, so some key process is not taking place?
2014-07-18 12:04:48
/var/www/xertetoolkits/website_code/php/database_library.php139Running :
SELECT * FROM xertesitedetails

As LDAP login does not work, had hoped to simply set the few users up via
the database authentication method and have them import their files -hence
our discovery of the zip problem.
-- 
Jacob Yardley                                tel: 020 7133 4081
London Metropolitan University

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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Mon Jul 28 14:51:34 2014
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:51:34 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.
In-Reply-To: <CA+tg4LJaLXVreSv+BvPG5aLgA1F7R7=-7+e5SwfVivWdU5CDFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+tg4LJaLXVreSv+BvPG5aLgA1F7R7=-7+e5SwfVivWdU5CDFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b401cfaa6b$0c824400$2586cc00$@co.uk>

Re the zip export from 2.0 are you using IE by any chance? Can you try a different browser? Also make sure projects are published before exporting and test with a small project to eliminate size issues.

 

>From memory there were some issues for some (minority) users using IE but not a conclusive cause/solution and those same users were able to export ok using Chrome or Firefox.

 

Re LDAP

Did you install from scratch or an upgrade? If the latter did you run upgrade.php? It's always difficult to troubleshoot this kind of issue because configurations vary but as far as I'm aware 2.1 should work fine with LDAP once the settings are correct but it may depend on exactly which revision.

 

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jacob Yardley
Sent: 28 July 2014 14:35
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte] Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.

 

Hello List,

Our users are able to export from version 2.0 as far as a zip file is created, but on trying to open the zip file are told it is invalid and it can neither be opened nor imported. Any idea why? 

 

We need to transfer to a new server soon which has 2.1 installed. Guest access and zip export works fine on the new server, but cannot get LDAP to work despite using the same settings as our 2.0 server. There seem to be few problems with LDAP on 2.1 noted elsewhere, but from debug logs we simply get the following repeated, so some key process is not taking place?

2014-07-18 12:04:48 /var/www/xertetoolkits/website_code/php/database_library.php139Running : SELECT * FROM xertesitedetails

 

As LDAP login does not work, had hoped to simply set the few users up via the database authentication method and have them import their files -hence our discovery of the zip problem.

-- 

Jacob Yardley                                tel: 020 7133 4081

London Metropolitan University

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From j.yardley at londonmet.ac.uk  Mon Jul 28 15:22:09 2014
From: j.yardley at londonmet.ac.uk (Jacob Yardley)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:22:09 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.
In-Reply-To: <00b401cfaa6b$0c824400$2586cc00$@co.uk>
References: <CA+tg4LJaLXVreSv+BvPG5aLgA1F7R7=-7+e5SwfVivWdU5CDFA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00b401cfaa6b$0c824400$2586cc00$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <CA+tg4L+FH5xhUhHg+4OHrSuD=yg=5ddUTw_wzAqgSYjLEVB9WQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the reply Ron, we have tried a variety of users and browsers
(FF, Chrome and IE), successfully published projects and 1 page tests all
with the same result. Curiously our security on email detects an exe file
in the broken zip and will not let us send it, but will let us send the
non-broken zips I have made from the new build 2.1 server.

The old current server started out quite a few versions back and has been
upgraded to 2.0 with changes to the LDAP settings made along the way as our
LDAP server moved. The 2.1 build is on a new VM server constructed purely
for xerte which makes me think we missed something key in the set-up for
LDAP to fall so flat. I did increase the php memory settings as they seemed
low on the new install, and as I say the zip export works on 2.1.

Thoughts on upgrading 2.0 to 2.1 to see if it fixes the zip? Do not want to
risk breaking the LDAP on current live system.

Tom Reijnders has had a couple of goes with LDAP fixes in 2.1 - both
interesting, but neither quite my problem, hence why I thought I'd skip
that completely as there is still the 'how do we transfer xerte files
between servers' question.
http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&view=topic&catid=2&id=292&Itemid=759&lang=en


On 28 July 2014 14:51, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

> Re the zip export from 2.0 are you using IE by any chance? Can you try a
> different browser? Also make sure projects are published before exporting
> and test with a small project to eliminate size issues.
>
>
>
> From memory there were some issues for some (minority) users using IE but
> not a conclusive cause/solution and those same users were able to export ok
> using Chrome or Firefox.
>
>
>
> Re LDAP
>
> Did you install from scratch or an upgrade? If the latter did you run
> upgrade.php? It's always difficult to troubleshoot this kind of issue
> because configurations vary but as far as I'm aware 2.1 should work fine
> with LDAP once the settings are correct but it may depend on exactly which
> revision.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Jacob Yardley
> *Sent:* 28 July 2014 14:35
> *To:* xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.
>
>
>
> Hello List,
>
> Our users are able to export from version 2.0 as far as a zip file is
> created, but on trying to open the zip file are told it is invalid and it
> can neither be opened nor imported. Any idea why?
>
>
>
> We need to transfer to a new server soon which has 2.1 installed. Guest
> access and zip export works fine on the new server, but cannot get LDAP to
> work despite using the same settings as our 2.0 server. There seem to be
> few problems with LDAP on 2.1 noted elsewhere, but from debug logs we
> simply get the following repeated, so some key process is not taking place?
>
> 2014-07-18 12:04:48
> /var/www/xertetoolkits/website_code/php/database_library.php139Running :
> SELECT * FROM xertesitedetails
>
>
>
> As LDAP login does not work, had hoped to simply set the few users up via
> the database authentication method and have them import their files -hence
> our discovery of the zip problem.
>
> --
>
> Jacob Yardley                                tel: 020 7133 4081
>
> London Metropolitan University
>
> Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo
>
>
>
>
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From j.yardley at londonmet.ac.uk  Mon Jul 28 15:39:33 2014
From: j.yardley at londonmet.ac.uk (Jacob Yardley)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:39:33 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.
In-Reply-To: <CAO2PinPNSr0=w5MTq6FSehrrTPvv-sYbT_jrEenLM4Mgr7ET1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+tg4LJaLXVreSv+BvPG5aLgA1F7R7=-7+e5SwfVivWdU5CDFA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00b401cfaa6b$0c824400$2586cc00$@co.uk>
	<CA+tg4L+FH5xhUhHg+4OHrSuD=yg=5ddUTw_wzAqgSYjLEVB9WQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO2PinPNSr0=w5MTq6FSehrrTPvv-sYbT_jrEenLM4Mgr7ET1g@mail.gmail.com>
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They are Pat. Thank you, it was your reply to a zip export back in March
that made me think of PHP memory size problems being a solution. Is there
an easy way to change memory limit and max execution time in xerte php
settings or is it shared across the server because the old 2.0 build is on
a shared server.


On 28 July 2014 15:30, Pat L (pgogy) <xerte at pgogywebstuff.com> wrote:

> Are the ldap details in the sitedetails table?
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Jacob Yardley <j.yardley at londonmet.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reply Ron, we have tried a variety of users and browsers
>> (FF, Chrome and IE), successfully published projects and 1 page tests all
>> with the same result. Curiously our security on email detects an exe file
>> in the broken zip and will not let us send it, but will let us send the
>> non-broken zips I have made from the new build 2.1 server.
>>
>> The old current server started out quite a few versions back and has been
>> upgraded to 2.0 with changes to the LDAP settings made along the way as our
>> LDAP server moved. The 2.1 build is on a new VM server constructed purely
>> for xerte which makes me think we missed something key in the set-up for
>> LDAP to fall so flat. I did increase the php memory settings as they seemed
>> low on the new install, and as I say the zip export works on 2.1.
>>
>> Thoughts on upgrading 2.0 to 2.1 to see if it fixes the zip? Do not want
>> to risk breaking the LDAP on current live system.
>>
>> Tom Reijnders has had a couple of goes with LDAP fixes in 2.1 - both
>> interesting, but neither quite my problem, hence why I thought I'd skip
>> that completely as there is still the 'how do we transfer xerte files
>> between servers' question.
>>
>> http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&view=topic&catid=2&id=292&Itemid=759&lang=en
>>
>>
>> On 28 July 2014 14:51, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Re the zip export from 2.0 are you using IE by any chance? Can you try a
>>> different browser? Also make sure projects are published before exporting
>>> and test with a small project to eliminate size issues.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From memory there were some issues for some (minority) users using IE
>>> but not a conclusive cause/solution and those same users were able to
>>> export ok using Chrome or Firefox.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Re LDAP
>>>
>>> Did you install from scratch or an upgrade? If the latter did you run
>>> upgrade.php? It's always difficult to troubleshoot this kind of issue
>>> because configurations vary but as far as I'm aware 2.1 should work fine
>>> with LDAP once the settings are correct but it may depend on exactly which
>>> revision.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>>> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Jacob Yardley
>>> *Sent:* 28 July 2014 14:35
>>> *To:* xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> *Subject:* [Xerte] Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello List,
>>>
>>> Our users are able to export from version 2.0 as far as a zip file is
>>> created, but on trying to open the zip file are told it is invalid and it
>>> can neither be opened nor imported. Any idea why?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We need to transfer to a new server soon which has 2.1 installed. Guest
>>> access and zip export works fine on the new server, but cannot get LDAP to
>>> work despite using the same settings as our 2.0 server. There seem to be
>>> few problems with LDAP on 2.1 noted elsewhere, but from debug logs we
>>> simply get the following repeated, so some key process is not taking place?
>>>
>>> 2014-07-18 12:04:48
>>> /var/www/xertetoolkits/website_code/php/database_library.php139Running :
>>> SELECT * FROM xertesitedetails
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As LDAP login does not work, had hoped to simply set the few users up
>>> via the database authentication method and have them import their files
>>> -hence our discovery of the zip problem.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Jacob Yardley                                tel: 020 7133 4081
>>>
>>> London Metropolitan University
>>>
>>> Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee
>>> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message
>>> in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do
>>> not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in
>>> any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this
>>> email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>>>
>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
>>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your
>>> computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email
>>> communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as
>>> permitted by UK legislation.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jacob Yardley                                tel: 020 7133 4081
>> London Metropolitan University
>>
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>>
>>
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>> http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte
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From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com  Mon Jul 28 15:30:11 2014
From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat L (pgogy))
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:30:11 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.
In-Reply-To: <CA+tg4L+FH5xhUhHg+4OHrSuD=yg=5ddUTw_wzAqgSYjLEVB9WQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+tg4LJaLXVreSv+BvPG5aLgA1F7R7=-7+e5SwfVivWdU5CDFA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00b401cfaa6b$0c824400$2586cc00$@co.uk>
	<CA+tg4L+FH5xhUhHg+4OHrSuD=yg=5ddUTw_wzAqgSYjLEVB9WQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO2PinPNSr0=w5MTq6FSehrrTPvv-sYbT_jrEenLM4Mgr7ET1g@mail.gmail.com>

Are the ldap details in the sitedetails table?


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Jacob Yardley <j.yardley at londonmet.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Thanks for the reply Ron, we have tried a variety of users and browsers
> (FF, Chrome and IE), successfully published projects and 1 page tests all
> with the same result. Curiously our security on email detects an exe file
> in the broken zip and will not let us send it, but will let us send the
> non-broken zips I have made from the new build 2.1 server.
>
> The old current server started out quite a few versions back and has been
> upgraded to 2.0 with changes to the LDAP settings made along the way as our
> LDAP server moved. The 2.1 build is on a new VM server constructed purely
> for xerte which makes me think we missed something key in the set-up for
> LDAP to fall so flat. I did increase the php memory settings as they seemed
> low on the new install, and as I say the zip export works on 2.1.
>
> Thoughts on upgrading 2.0 to 2.1 to see if it fixes the zip? Do not want
> to risk breaking the LDAP on current live system.
>
> Tom Reijnders has had a couple of goes with LDAP fixes in 2.1 - both
> interesting, but neither quite my problem, hence why I thought I'd skip
> that completely as there is still the 'how do we transfer xerte files
> between servers' question.
>
> http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&view=topic&catid=2&id=292&Itemid=759&lang=en
>
>
> On 28 July 2014 14:51, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Re the zip export from 2.0 are you using IE by any chance? Can you try a
>> different browser? Also make sure projects are published before exporting
>> and test with a small project to eliminate size issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> From memory there were some issues for some (minority) users using IE but
>> not a conclusive cause/solution and those same users were able to export ok
>> using Chrome or Firefox.
>>
>>
>>
>> Re LDAP
>>
>> Did you install from scratch or an upgrade? If the latter did you run
>> upgrade.php? It's always difficult to troubleshoot this kind of issue
>> because configurations vary but as far as I'm aware 2.1 should work fine
>> with LDAP once the settings are correct but it may depend on exactly which
>> revision.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Jacob Yardley
>> *Sent:* 28 July 2014 14:35
>> *To:* xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> *Subject:* [Xerte] Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> Our users are able to export from version 2.0 as far as a zip file is
>> created, but on trying to open the zip file are told it is invalid and it
>> can neither be opened nor imported. Any idea why?
>>
>>
>>
>> We need to transfer to a new server soon which has 2.1 installed. Guest
>> access and zip export works fine on the new server, but cannot get LDAP to
>> work despite using the same settings as our 2.0 server. There seem to be
>> few problems with LDAP on 2.1 noted elsewhere, but from debug logs we
>> simply get the following repeated, so some key process is not taking place?
>>
>> 2014-07-18 12:04:48
>> /var/www/xertetoolkits/website_code/php/database_library.php139Running :
>> SELECT * FROM xertesitedetails
>>
>>
>>
>> As LDAP login does not work, had hoped to simply set the few users up via
>> the database authentication method and have them import their files -hence
>> our discovery of the zip problem.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jacob Yardley                                tel: 020 7133 4081
>>
>> London Metropolitan University
>>
>> Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and
>> may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in
>> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do
>> not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in
>> any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this
>> email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>>
>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your
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From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com  Mon Jul 28 16:37:45 2014
From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat L (pgogy))
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:37:45 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.
In-Reply-To: <CA+tg4LL5Wc92wQ1Z6acMmM0fZc3Mp1ErBr8bDoNBena6A3gmpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+tg4LJaLXVreSv+BvPG5aLgA1F7R7=-7+e5SwfVivWdU5CDFA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00b401cfaa6b$0c824400$2586cc00$@co.uk>
	<CA+tg4L+FH5xhUhHg+4OHrSuD=yg=5ddUTw_wzAqgSYjLEVB9WQ@mail.gmail.com>
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You could add them to config.php or
website_code/php/export/ (i think)

https://github.com/thexerteproject/xerteonlinetoolkits/blob/develop/website_code/php/scorm/export.php

there is an ini_set at the top already, so add the one for memory there as
well

Pat


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Jacob Yardley <j.yardley at londonmet.ac.uk>
wrote:

> They are Pat. Thank you, it was your reply to a zip export back in March
> that made me think of PHP memory size problems being a solution. Is there
> an easy way to change memory limit and max execution time in xerte php
> settings or is it shared across the server because the old 2.0 build is on
> a shared server.
>
>
> On 28 July 2014 15:30, Pat L (pgogy) <xerte at pgogywebstuff.com> wrote:
>
>> Are the ldap details in the sitedetails table?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Jacob Yardley <j.yardley at londonmet.ac.uk
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the reply Ron, we have tried a variety of users and browsers
>>> (FF, Chrome and IE), successfully published projects and 1 page tests all
>>> with the same result. Curiously our security on email detects an exe file
>>> in the broken zip and will not let us send it, but will let us send the
>>> non-broken zips I have made from the new build 2.1 server.
>>>
>>> The old current server started out quite a few versions back and has
>>> been upgraded to 2.0 with changes to the LDAP settings made along the way
>>> as our LDAP server moved. The 2.1 build is on a new VM server constructed
>>> purely for xerte which makes me think we missed something key in the set-up
>>> for LDAP to fall so flat. I did increase the php memory settings as they
>>> seemed low on the new install, and as I say the zip export works on 2.1.
>>>
>>> Thoughts on upgrading 2.0 to 2.1 to see if it fixes the zip? Do not want
>>> to risk breaking the LDAP on current live system.
>>>
>>> Tom Reijnders has had a couple of goes with LDAP fixes in 2.1 - both
>>> interesting, but neither quite my problem, hence why I thought I'd skip
>>> that completely as there is still the 'how do we transfer xerte files
>>> between servers' question.
>>>
>>> http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&view=topic&catid=2&id=292&Itemid=759&lang=en
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28 July 2014 14:51, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Re the zip export from 2.0 are you using IE by any chance? Can you try
>>>> a different browser? Also make sure projects are published before exporting
>>>> and test with a small project to eliminate size issues.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From memory there were some issues for some (minority) users using IE
>>>> but not a conclusive cause/solution and those same users were able to
>>>> export ok using Chrome or Firefox.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Re LDAP
>>>>
>>>> Did you install from scratch or an upgrade? If the latter did you run
>>>> upgrade.php? It's always difficult to troubleshoot this kind of issue
>>>> because configurations vary but as far as I'm aware 2.1 should work fine
>>>> with LDAP once the settings are correct but it may depend on exactly which
>>>> revision.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>>>> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Jacob Yardley
>>>> *Sent:* 28 July 2014 14:35
>>>> *To:* xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> *Subject:* [Xerte] Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello List,
>>>>
>>>> Our users are able to export from version 2.0 as far as a zip file is
>>>> created, but on trying to open the zip file are told it is invalid and it
>>>> can neither be opened nor imported. Any idea why?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We need to transfer to a new server soon which has 2.1 installed. Guest
>>>> access and zip export works fine on the new server, but cannot get LDAP to
>>>> work despite using the same settings as our 2.0 server. There seem to be
>>>> few problems with LDAP on 2.1 noted elsewhere, but from debug logs we
>>>> simply get the following repeated, so some key process is not taking place?
>>>>
>>>> 2014-07-18 12:04:48
>>>> /var/www/xertetoolkits/website_code/php/database_library.php139Running :
>>>> SELECT * FROM xertesitedetails
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As LDAP login does not work, had hoped to simply set the few users up
>>>> via the database authentication method and have them import their files
>>>> -hence our discovery of the zip problem.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Jacob Yardley                                tel: 020 7133 4081
>>>>
>>>> London Metropolitan University
>>>>
>>>> Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee
>>>> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message
>>>> in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do
>>>> not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in
>>>> any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this
>>>> email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>>>>
>>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
>>>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your
>>>> computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email
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>>>> permitted by UK legislation.
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> London Metropolitan University
>>>
>>> Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
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From ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk  Mon Jul 28 16:33:23 2014
From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:33:23 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.
In-Reply-To: <CA+tg4L+FH5xhUhHg+4OHrSuD=yg=5ddUTw_wzAqgSYjLEVB9WQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+tg4LJaLXVreSv+BvPG5aLgA1F7R7=-7+e5SwfVivWdU5CDFA@mail.gmail.com>	<00b401cfaa6b$0c824400$2586cc00$@co.uk>
	<CA+tg4L+FH5xhUhHg+4OHrSuD=yg=5ddUTw_wzAqgSYjLEVB9WQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d401cfaa79$45a268b0$d0e73a10$@co.uk>

Ok so the problem with export isn't the IE issue which was only a slight possibility anyway. I doubt the export and ldap issues are related so we need to deal with these separately and if your reason for exporting is to migrate those projects to the new install that might not be your best method anyway if there are a lot of projects. You could try the following if your new server has only been used for testing so far and not real projects.

 

1. Copy the database and directory from the old server to the new server either in a new location or completely replacing your current test.

2. Change the db connection details in database.php if necessary and the site_url, root_file_path and import_path values in site_details to reflect the new server.

3. You should now have a working mirror copy of your current 2.0 install. If everything works including LDAP you can proceed with upgrading. If LDAP still doesn't work then it's probably a server configuration issue rather than xerte specific. You could try guest authentication to make sure everything else is working.

4. Follow the instructions for upgrading in the documentation folder and given that this started with an early version probably best to follow the clean upgrade instructions.

5. If all now works you might need to repeat the process by first scheduling to stop anyone making changes to your current 2.0 on the old server and then copying everything again or stop access/changes first.

 

If your goal is to move to a new server and upgrade to the latest version to my mind this (copying and upgrading) is a better route than looking to export and import projects especially if there are a lot of them and I have done this many times without problem or at least if there are problems it's more often due to server differences rather than xerte specific. This wouldn't explain or resolve why export isn't working on your 2.0 install or LDAP isn't working on your new server but it might help identify if the problems lay with Xerte and Xerte versions or the differences between the servers.

 

Hope that makes sense. 

Ron

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jacob Yardley
Sent: 28 July 2014 15:22
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.

 

Thanks for the reply Ron, we have tried a variety of users and browsers (FF, Chrome and IE), successfully published projects and 1 page tests all with the same result. Curiously our security on email detects an exe file in the broken zip and will not let us send it, but will let us send the non-broken zips I have made from the new build 2.1 server.

 

The old current server started out quite a few versions back and has been upgraded to 2.0 with changes to the LDAP settings made along the way as our LDAP server moved. The 2.1 build is on a new VM server constructed purely for xerte which makes me think we missed something key in the set-up for LDAP to fall so flat. I did increase the php memory settings as they seemed low on the new install, and as I say the zip export works on 2.1.

 

Thoughts on upgrading 2.0 to 2.1 to see if it fixes the zip? Do not want to risk breaking the LDAP on current live system.

 

Tom Reijnders has had a couple of goes with LDAP fixes in 2.1 - both interesting, but neither quite my problem, hence why I thought I'd skip that completely as there is still the 'how do we transfer xerte files between servers' question.

http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena <http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&view=topic&catid=2&id=292&Itemid=759&lang=en> &view=topic&catid=2&id=292&Itemid=759&lang=en

 

On 28 July 2014 14:51, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:

Re the zip export from 2.0 are you using IE by any chance? Can you try a different browser? Also make sure projects are published before exporting and test with a small project to eliminate size issues.

 

>From memory there were some issues for some (minority) users using IE but not a conclusive cause/solution and those same users were able to export ok using Chrome or Firefox.

 

Re LDAP

Did you install from scratch or an upgrade? If the latter did you run upgrade.php? It's always difficult to troubleshoot this kind of issue because configurations vary but as far as I'm aware 2.1 should work fine with LDAP once the settings are correct but it may depend on exactly which revision.

 

 

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jacob Yardley
Sent: 28 July 2014 14:35
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte] Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.

 

Hello List,

Our users are able to export from version 2.0 as far as a zip file is created, but on trying to open the zip file are told it is invalid and it can neither be opened nor imported. Any idea why? 

 

We need to transfer to a new server soon which has 2.1 installed. Guest access and zip export works fine on the new server, but cannot get LDAP to work despite using the same settings as our 2.0 server. There seem to be few problems with LDAP on 2.1 noted elsewhere, but from debug logs we simply get the following repeated, so some key process is not taking place?

2014-07-18 12:04:48 /var/www/xertetoolkits/website_code/php/database_library.php139Running : SELECT * FROM xertesitedetails

 

As LDAP login does not work, had hoped to simply set the few users up via the database authentication method and have them import their files -hence our discovery of the zip problem.

-- 

Jacob Yardley                                tel: 020 7133 4081

London Metropolitan University

Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo
 

 

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From xerte at pgogywebstuff.com  Mon Jul 28 22:37:18 2014
From: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com (Pat L (pgogy))
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:37:18 +0100
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.
In-Reply-To: <00d401cfaa79$45a268b0$d0e73a10$@co.uk>
References: <CA+tg4LJaLXVreSv+BvPG5aLgA1F7R7=-7+e5SwfVivWdU5CDFA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00b401cfaa6b$0c824400$2586cc00$@co.uk>
	<CA+tg4L+FH5xhUhHg+4OHrSuD=yg=5ddUTw_wzAqgSYjLEVB9WQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Also,
If you're happy to edit code there is some more complicated debugging we
could do. You might have hit a bug we could fix for others.
Pat


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
wrote:

> Ok so the problem with export isn't the IE issue which was only a slight
> possibility anyway. I doubt the export and ldap issues are related so we
> need to deal with these separately and if your reason for exporting is to
> migrate those projects to the new install that might not be your best
> method anyway if there are a lot of projects. You could try the following
> if your new server has only been used for testing so far and not real
> projects.
>
>
>
> 1. Copy the database and directory from the old server to the new server
> either in a new location or completely replacing your current test.
>
> 2. Change the db connection details in database.php if necessary and the
> site_url, root_file_path and import_path values in site_details to reflect
> the new server.
>
> 3. You should now have a working mirror copy of your current 2.0 install.
> If everything works including LDAP you can proceed with upgrading. If LDAP
> still doesn't work then it's probably a server configuration issue rather
> than xerte specific. You could try guest authentication to make sure
> everything else is working.
>
> 4. Follow the instructions for upgrading in the documentation folder and
> given that this started with an early version probably best to follow the
> clean upgrade instructions.
>
> 5. If all now works you might need to repeat the process by first
> scheduling to stop anyone making changes to your current 2.0 on the old
> server and then copying everything again or stop access/changes first.
>
>
>
> If your goal is to move to a new server and upgrade to the latest version
> to my mind this (copying and upgrading) is a better route than looking to
> export and import projects especially if there are a lot of them and I have
> done this many times without problem or at least if there are problems it's
> more often due to server differences rather than xerte specific. This
> wouldn't explain or resolve why export isn't working on your 2.0 install or
> LDAP isn't working on your new server but it might help identify if the
> problems lay with Xerte and Xerte versions or the differences between the
> servers.
>
>
>
> Hope that makes sense.
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Jacob Yardley
> *Sent:* 28 July 2014 15:22
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the reply Ron, we have tried a variety of users and browsers
> (FF, Chrome and IE), successfully published projects and 1 page tests all
> with the same result. Curiously our security on email detects an exe file
> in the broken zip and will not let us send it, but will let us send the
> non-broken zips I have made from the new build 2.1 server.
>
>
>
> The old current server started out quite a few versions back and has been
> upgraded to 2.0 with changes to the LDAP settings made along the way as our
> LDAP server moved. The 2.1 build is on a new VM server constructed purely
> for xerte which makes me think we missed something key in the set-up for
> LDAP to fall so flat. I did increase the php memory settings as they seemed
> low on the new install, and as I say the zip export works on 2.1.
>
>
>
> Thoughts on upgrading 2.0 to 2.1 to see if it fixes the zip? Do not want
> to risk breaking the LDAP on current live system.
>
>
>
> Tom Reijnders has had a couple of goes with LDAP fixes in 2.1 - both
> interesting, but neither quite my problem, hence why I thought I'd skip
> that completely as there is still the 'how do we transfer xerte files
> between servers' question.
>
>
> http://www.xerte.org.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&view=topic&catid=2&id=292&Itemid=759&lang=en
>
>
>
> On 28 July 2014 14:51, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Re the zip export from 2.0 are you using IE by any chance? Can you try a
> different browser? Also make sure projects are published before exporting
> and test with a small project to eliminate size issues.
>
>
>
> From memory there were some issues for some (minority) users using IE but
> not a conclusive cause/solution and those same users were able to export ok
> using Chrome or Firefox.
>
>
>
> Re LDAP
>
> Did you install from scratch or an upgrade? If the latter did you run
> upgrade.php? It's always difficult to troubleshoot this kind of issue
> because configurations vary but as far as I'm aware 2.1 should work fine
> with LDAP once the settings are correct but it may depend on exactly which
> revision.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Jacob Yardley
> *Sent:* 28 July 2014 14:35
> *To:* xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Compressed (zip) folder is invalid and LDAP errors.
>
>
>
> Hello List,
>
> Our users are able to export from version 2.0 as far as a zip file is
> created, but on trying to open the zip file are told it is invalid and it
> can neither be opened nor imported. Any idea why?
>
>
>
> We need to transfer to a new server soon which has 2.1 installed. Guest
> access and zip export works fine on the new server, but cannot get LDAP to
> work despite using the same settings as our 2.0 server. There seem to be
> few problems with LDAP on 2.1 noted elsewhere, but from debug logs we
> simply get the following repeated, so some key process is not taking place?
>
> 2014-07-18 12:04:48
> /var/www/xertetoolkits/website_code/php/database_library.php139Running :
> SELECT * FROM xertesitedetails
>
>
>
> As LDAP login does not work, had hoped to simply set the few users up via
> the database authentication method and have them import their files -hence
> our discovery of the zip problem.
>
> --
>
> Jacob Yardley                                tel: 020 7133 4081
>
> London Metropolitan University
>
> Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo
>
>
>
>
>
> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and
> may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in
> error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do
> not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in
> any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this
> email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>
> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your
> computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email
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> permitted by UK legislation.
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jacob Yardley                                tel: 020 7133 4081
>
> London Metropolitan University
>
> Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo
>
>
>
>
> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and
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> email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
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From seliga at ai.com.pl  Wed Jul 30 12:55:08 2014
From: seliga at ai.com.pl (Tomasz Seliga)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:55:08 +0200
Subject: [Xerte] Xerte - encoding xmls
Message-ID: <53D8DD1C.6010100@ai.com.pl>

Hi there.
I have a problem with creating the course's content in polish. The 
special polish letters eg: ?, ?, ?, ? etc, are coded in xml file 
incorrect, so whole course content doesn't work under LMS.
I found that xml files (and all else), are encoded in UTF-8 without Byte 
Order Mark. After resave xml as UTF-8 (Notepad++), content works 
correctly. Is it possible to fix that?
I use Xerte 2.18

Best regards.
Thomas Seliga