[Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
Tom Reijnders
reijnders at tor.nl
Thu Feb 9 10:16:00 GMT 2012
Yes, that is the idea... Not the svn though, my idea at the moment was
a part of the community website, and completely on the risk of the user.
Than we can also enable a tracking or voting system of what
'pages/models' are popular and 'upgrade' those to be included in the
distribution.
So in summary, in the end I would like us to have:
- 'model packages'
- that can be added to Xerte standalone and be used as a 'Page
project' or a 'template project', Jonathan and I have that up and running.
- that can be added to a xot template through the management page.
Tom
Op 9-2-2012 10:32, Julian Tenney schreef:
>
> Can't we have some sort of 'community' part of the svn where things
> that aren't in the main distributed xwd can go for users to add as
> they see fit?
>
> *From:*xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 09 February 2012 09:17
> *To:* 'Xerte discussion list'
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
>
> Sort of yes but it obviously it depends on how it ends up working. My
> concern as we see on this list is that quite a few people can add new
> files to their install or request they be added by someone with server
> access but unlikely to use xerte desktop to run the php to build the
> xwd etc. If we end up with a way of doing that dynamic build of the
> xwd in xot as well as desktop that might help a lot. Probably best to
> discuss this further on the dev list at some point.
>
> Meanwhile what about this update of model answer shall I commit that?
>
> With that in place if you don't want a separate collated results page
> (e.g. modelAnswerResults.rlm) that can probably be achieved by
> supplying a model file which can be added by anyone who wants it via a
> xerte content page. So happy for an additional modelAnswerResults page
> or go the xerte content route?
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
> *From:*xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 09 February 2012 08:55
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
>
> I think, that once Tom has finished his xwd builder stuff, it won't
> matter because folk will be able to more easily be able to create an
> xwd with whatever models they want in it. This is exactly why you guys
> wanted to do that, right?
>
> *From:*xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 08 February 2012 21:56
> *To:* 'Xerte discussion list'
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
>
> Ok first a bit of background...
>
> What I called the compareAnswer page was an extension of the
> stimulating question page and existed and was shared long before the
> model answer even existed e.g. pre Sept 09
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/230 (Note: The downloads there are well out
> of date now)
>
> It proved really popular and has been in use on the sandpit and other
> installations since that time. It was simply added to the page
> templates xwd and a compareAnswer.rlm model file added to the models
> directory. No changes to the .rlt required.
>
> Following feedback I also added a compare answer results page which
> collated and displayed all the instructions, questions and responses
> wherever that page was added - typically at the end of the LO.
>
> As has been discussed a popular feature of the compare answer page was
> that a user could go back and forth through each page and until they
> closed the LO altogether their responses are remembered on each page.
> Also when they click the feedback button the instruction, question and
> their answer for that page is copied to the clipboard. On the separate
> compare answer results page all of the results are copied to the
> clipboard and there was also an email button that could be improved or
> replaced with a print button.
>
> In response to today's thread...
>
> I have added the same functionality to the modelAnswer.rlm attached
> and tested that this all works. Let me know if you want me to commit this?
>
> It also contains the code needed in preparation for adding a
> modelAnswerResults page but I haven't done that yet but happy to do so
> if it will be included?
>
> My dilemma with this now though is what to do about all the existing
> LO's that have used my compareAnswer page. I wonder if there's a way
> we could tweak the engine or wizard or something to show model answer
> and when its developed model answer results but still enable editing
> of previous LO's using compareAnswer e.g. some kind of conditional in
> terms of what rlm to load if the existing data.xml contains compare
> answer but any new LO's only see the model answer option? Hope that
> makes sense ;-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
> *From:*xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp
> Johnathan
> *Sent:* 08 February 2012 15:53
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
>
> If someone can supply me with the model files (.rlm) for these pages
> and a templates.xwd file that contains their menu code then I could
> take a look at including them in the individual page templates if that
> is acceptable to the Xerte team.
>
> If the pages require external support e.g. modifications to the
> templates.rlt file or additional javascript in the html that gets
> published then this would probably mean I would leave them out for now
> with a view to their inclusion being reviewed once Xerte 2.18 is released.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 8 February 2012 15:17, Alistair McNaught
> <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk
> <mailto:Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
> Hi Johnathan
> The features of Ron's model answer pages that were attractive included
> the copy of the input AND model answer text to the clipboard ad well
> as the harvesting of all such data from all such slides into a summary
> page.
>
> If we could mainstream that there would be some nice value added.
>
> A
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From: *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent: *08/02/2012 13:02
>
>
> *To: *Xerte discussion list
> *Subject: *[Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
>
> There's a 'model answer' in the new tempales..?
>
> I am seeking to include every page from the current page templates
> except Xerte as there is little point in this existing as an
> individual page template, I figured this could be included in the
> default template.xwd before other pages were added. The menu page is
> also an issue as it is different from the other pages in the way it
> functions, but I will take a look at it once I have finished the rest
> of the pages.
>
> So yes there will be a model answer page. I am working alphabetically
> through the model files by title and am currently up to Image Viewer
> so any ideas about changes to the model answer page or the inclusion
> of other versions of a model answer page would be quite timely.
>
> Are Ron's model answer pages self contained? i.e. is everything that
> makes them work contained in the rlm file? Or do they need
> modifications to the template.rlt file, or other supporting files?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
> On 8 February 2012 12:31, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
> There's a 'model answer' in the new tempales..?
>
> *From:*xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 08 February 2012 12:22
>
>
> *To:* 'Xerte discussion list'
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
>
> If enough people request it Julian might just be persuaded to include
> my two compare answer page types! ;-)
>
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_4
>
> *From:*xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] *On Behalf Of *Julian
> Tenney
> *Sent:* 08 February 2012 11:02
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
>
> We can't create / save a file in Word -- the user can cut and paste at
> the minute. Potentially could do a nicer job of building up the text
> to cut / paste, or send it to server for some processing / turn it
> into a doc of some sort on the server.
>
> *From:*xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Davidson,
> Andrew
> *Sent:* 08 February 2012 10:56
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
>
> Hi
>
> With the Model Answer pagetype (type in some text in a box) would it
> be possible to have a function which allows the user to save the text
> created to a word file and also allows the editor of the page to
> choose whether the page should be cleared or not when the user moves
> forward or back through the xerte course pages?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Andy
>
>
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