[Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide? (Ron Mitchell)

Tom Reijnders reijnders at tor.nl
Tue Feb 7 07:20:00 GMT 2012


I didn't have the opportunity to test this, but the \t in \times is 
probably interpreted as a 'TAB' character. Try \\times.

Tom

Op 6-2-2012 23:11, Ron Mitchell schreef:
> Hi
> I had a quick look at your LO and presumably you're adding the backslash in
> front of times and frac etc e.g.
> <tex src="=\frac{40\times24\times7}{1000} = 6.72"></tex>  ?
>
> For some reason the sandpit seems to be stripping these out which is why the
> latex is only partially working.
>
> I'm hoping Pat, Julian or someone else might be able to suggest what file(s)
> might be stripping the escape characters out so that I can replace them on
> the server?
>
> Cheers
> Ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ott A (AT)
> Sent: 06 February 2012 19:57
> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide? (Ron Mitchell)
>
> Hi
>
> Recently I had problems with latex rendering in a Xerte LO in the sandpit
> and when imported to Blackboard. Julian and co kindly directed me to a new
> file to use instead of the old one, this was the XMLEngine.swf. Once I had
> replaced the file this worked fine in Blackboard.
>
> Unfortunately, I had to amend the calculations in the LO. So I imported the
> old LO into the sandpit area and amended the code. The formulae are only
> partially rendering in the sandpit, e.g. 'times' instead of 'x'. The
> formulae are also not working when I import the new LO with the previously
> used XMLEngine.swf in Blackboard.
>
> Is there a way to work around this?
>
> Many thanks, Alex.
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:06:37 +0000
> From: Pat Lockley<patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
> To: Xerte discussion list<xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: scorm or not?
> Message-ID:
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> The default SCORM export has no extra metadata in the fields.
>
> As XOT has support for dc:title and dc:description (see the open content
> tab) - you can opt to create a scorm package with this data in too, if you
> prefer. Some people may not want to, hence both options.
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>  wrote:
>> Leaving the content in toolkits and linking to it is better in some
>> ways because you can easily update it. If you export it, and import it
>> elsewhere as scorm you can?t.
>>
>>
>>
>> Blackboard will track your users if you provide a link to the URL of
>> the piece in toolkits. No need to export it.
>>
>> You could then use a native blackboard quiz to validate the learning,
>> in a ?view this piece then take this quiz? approach.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you do export it as a scorm package, you can import that into
>> Blackboard, the only real reason to do that, is as you say, to get a quiz
> score.
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Oliver
>> Haslam
>> Sent: 20 January 2012 14:32
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] scorm or not?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks very much Dave, Pat and Julian for your replies. I?m still not
>> totally clear about the use of scorm with XOT, however. (NB I?m not
>> using the sandpit anymore so anything to do with the sandpit is no
>> longer relevant to my question.)
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to track students? usage of the LOs in Blackboard AND the
>> results of quizzes in Blackboard. So is it right that I need to export
>> the LOs as ?Scorm Export? and then upload them into Blackboard to achieve
> this?
>>
>>
>> Also, what is meant by the ?richer SCORM metadata? that comes with the
>> ?SCORM + metadata export?? What effect would/could that have within
>> Blackboard?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Oli
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> Oliver Haslam
>>
>> Course Developer (Technologist)
>>
>> Applied Sciences&  Allied Health Professions
>>
>>
>>
>> Technology Enhanced Learning
>>
>> University of the West of England
>>
>> _______________________________
>>
>> T: 0117 32 88215
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave
>> Burnett
>> Sent: 20 January 2012 13:54
>> To: Xerte list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own
>> XOT installation
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That is correct.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Oliver.Haslam at uwe.ac.uk
>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:56:31 +0000
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own
>>> XOT installation
>>>
>>> My understanding is that if the LOs are Scorm compliant we can upload
>>> them into our LMS (Blackboard) which will then be able to track
>>> how/if students have used the LOs. And it allows results from quizzes
>>> etc. to be interpreted by the LMS.
>>>
>>> Please advise me if I've understood this incorrectly.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Oli
>>>
>>> _______________________________
>>>
>>> Oliver Haslam
>>> Course Developer (Technologist)
>>> Applied Sciences&  Allied Health Professions
>>>
>>> Technology Enhanced Learning
>>> University of the West of England
>>> _______________________________
>>> T: 0117 32 88215
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian
>>> Tenney
>>> Sent: 20 January 2012 10:36
>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own
>>> XOT installation
>>>
>>> I'm delighted we've got this far but having scorm capability would be
>>> even better...
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Oliver
>>> Haslam
>>> Sent: 20 January 2012 10:32
>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own
>>> XOT installation
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> After some tinkering on the server (not entirely sure what) we can
>>> now create and play LOs on our installation of XOT.
>>> Importing/exporting of LOs works fine as 'zip export' but doesn't work as
> 'scorm export'.
>>> Trying to import as Scorm gets the following: "Upload checkFile
>>> transfer has failed.****Only Xerte templates are currently imported."
>>>
>>> I'm delighted we've got this far but having scorm capability would be
>>> even better...
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Oli
>>>
>>> _______________________________
>>>
>>> Oliver Haslam
>>> Course Developer (Technologist)
>>> Applied Sciences&  Allied Health Professions
>>>
>>> Technology Enhanced Learning
>>> University of the West of England
>>> _______________________________
>>> T: 0117 32 88215
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron
>>> Mitchell
>>> Sent: 19 January 2012 16:17
>>> To: 'Xerte discussion list'
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own
>>> XOT installation
>>>
>>> Also no need to apologise it was others who hijacked your subject
>>> line ;-)
>>>
>>> With a new installation it's obviously a fundamental step/requirement
>>> that creating and viewing an LO works before trying things like
>>> exporting and importing. Clearly something isn't right with your
>>> install and if you don't have access to the server yourself you may
>>> need to get whoever does to subscribe and post to this list. Pat will
>>> no doubt make additional suggestions but my list would be...
>>>
>>> Check database.php and make sure the values are correct Check the
>>> site_details table in the database especially that the various paths
>>> are correct Check the permissions are correct
>>>
>>> Make sure creating/editing/viewing works before even trying exporting
>>> and importing Once that works try exporting and importing from the
>>> same install before trying to import a sandpit created lo Finally try
>>> the sandpit import and post further questions if everything but that
>>> works
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian
>>> Tenney
>>> Sent: 19 January 2012 15:58
>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own
>>> XOT installation
>>>
>>> I notice parent_t has 8 letters - why is it truncating there? The
>>> folder should be parent_templates... does that folder exist on the
> server?
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Oliver
>>> Haslam
>>> Sent: 19 January 2012 15:56
>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [Xerte] exporting from sandpit and importing to our own XOT
>>> installation
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> First of all, my apologies for any confusion caused by posting to the
>>> wrong list. I'm new in this post, new to XOT, new to how these
>>> support lists work and I think I have been mixing up two or more XOT
>>> problems into the same email help request. So thanks for all the help
>>> so far and for bearing with me!
>>>
>>> Secondly, despite the subject line of this email (which I have kept
>>> only for the sake of continuity!) I don't know if there is and export
>>> issue at all but there's obviously an issue with our new installation
>>> of XOT: I've made a test LO but when I try to play it I get this
>>> message: "ERROR: The file modules/Xerte/parent_t" and it won't play.
>>>
>>> I don't have access to the server files myself but will pass on any
>>> advice received to those that do.
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>>
>>> Oli
>>>
>>> _______________________________
>>>
>>> Oliver Haslam
>>> Course Developer (Technologist)
>>> Applied Sciences&  Allied Health Professions
>>>
>>> Technology Enhanced Learning
>>> University of the West of England
>>> _______________________________
>>> T: 0117 32 88215
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> -
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:25:29 -0000
>>> From: "Ron Mitchell"<ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
>>> To: "'Xerte discussion list'"<xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: exporting from sandpit and importing to our
>>> own XOT installation
>>> Message-ID:<011001ccd6ad$d212de80$76389b80$@co.uk>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> This is all going to get confusing with some of the subsequent
>>> replies hijacking the subject line for an unrelated topic.
>>>
>>> Not sure if Oli has subscribed here yet either but I would
>>> comment/add as
>>> follows:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. As David has said in a subsequent reply the sandpit doesn't
>>> currently work with the Zip local option or scrom + metadata export.
>>> That will be fixed in future and is specific to the sandpit but in a
>>> way irrelevant at the moment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. The normal Zip export and Scorm export work fine on the sandpit
>>> and import back into the sandpit ok too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. Oli my 1st suggestion would be for you to create a new test LO on
>>> your new installation. Publish and export that. Then try to import
>>> that back into the same installation. Does that work without the same
>>> errors? If it doesn't then you need to resolve the issue with your
>>> installation and this is separate from any issues with the sandpit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4. If step 3. did work send a copy or link of the zip you exported
>>> from the sandpit so we can test and provide further help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair
>>> McNaught
>>> Sent: 19 January 2012 12:11
>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>> Subject: [Xerte] FW: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own
>>> XOT installation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I picked this up from teacher list but it more properly belongs in
>>> here so any ideas? I'll ask Oli to ensure he's subscribed in here to
>>> pick up the answers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: A list to facilitate and support teachers using Xerte Online
>>> Toolkits [mailto:XERTEFORTEACHERS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Oliver
>>> Haslam
>>> Sent: 19 January 2012 12:05
>>> To: XERTEFORTEACHERS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>>> Subject: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own XOT
>>> installation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We finally have our own installation of XOT and I'd like to transfer
>>> the LOs I've made in the sandpit to our own version of XOT. But I'm
>>> having a few problems. Any help would be very gratefully received!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can export from the sandpit as a straightforward "zip export"
>>> without any problems. And I can import the .zip into our own version
>>> of XOT okay but when I try to play the newly imported LO I get an
>>> error message saying
>>> "ERROR: The file modules/Xerte/parent_t" and it won't play.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I tried to export from the sandpit in different formats to see if
>>> that works. When I try to export as a "Zip (local) export" or as a
>>> "SCORM + metadata export" I am immediately logged out of the sandpit
>>> and taken to the login page: http://xerte5.techdis.palepurple.co.uk/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can export from the sandpit as a "Scorm export" but when I try to
>>> import the .zip into our own XOT I get a message saying "Upload
>>> checkFile transfer has failed.****Only Xerte templates are currently
>>> imported." And can go no further.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps our version of XOT is not installed/configured correctly? But
>>> it seems the sandpit is not happy either...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oli
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oliver Haslam
>>>
>>> Course Developer (Technologist)
>>>
>>> Applied Sciences&  Allied Health Professions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Technology Enhanced Learning
>>>
>>> University of the West of England
>>>
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>>>
>>> T: 0117 32 88215
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>>>
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> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:09:56 -0000
> From: "Ron Mitchell"<ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
> To: "'Xerte discussion list'"<xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide?
> Message-ID:<013701ccd785$941aac60$bc500520$@co.uk>
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> Hi Alistair
>
> you should find that both the itq site and the sandpit now both display
> latex and also work offline when exported.
>
> Let me know if you encounter any further problems.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
> Sent: 20 January 2012 11:12
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide?
>
>
>
> Server based version still fine but local version now hangs on loading
>
>
>
>
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
> Sent: 20 January 2012 11:06
> To: 'Xerte discussion list'
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide?
>
>
>
> Hi Alistair
>
> ok try exporting again and reporting back re the same questions.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
> Sent: 20 January 2012 10:55
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide?
>
>
>
> Hi Ron
>
> Many thanks for speedy response.
>
>
>
> 1) Now it works fine on the server BUT
>
> 2) Local version after download doesn't work - doesn't render any latex but
> leaves blank spaces.
>
>
>
> Is that the export function that needs tweaking or something different?
>
>
>
> A
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
> Sent: 20 January 2012 10:47
> To: 'Xerte discussion list'
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide?
>
>
>
> Alistair
>
> I was updating the itq installation as your message came in - try again I
> think you'll find it works now?
>
>
>
> However could you try exporting that and viewing locally and answer the
> following:
>
>
>
> 1. Does it still display the latex when viewed locally?
>
> 2. If it displays is it ok or is it jumbled in any way e.g. spacing between
> lines not quite right?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> BTW sandpit not yet updated - need to contact David about something.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
> Sent: 20 January 2012 10:33
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide?
>
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I previously creates a learning object at
> http://itq.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_59 to show teaching staff how to
> create formulae using simple Latex expressions.
>
>
>
> I know there have been issues with the site that was used to host the Latex
> rendering script and we now have a new solution but I'm not sure how to
> implement the new solution so that my old learning object (above) will
> correctly display the formulae now.
>
>
>
> I've probably missed some important comment in a thread I skimmed too
> quickly but any pointers as to how to 'redeem' old formulae rich learning
> objects will be very welcome.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> A
>
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