[Xerte] Re: Transferring files to remote server
Tom Reijnders
reijnders at tor.nl
Sun Oct 9 11:26:07 BST 2011
If you publish on Xerte Toolkits, I think it is the one in the root
directory that is used for normal publishing.
Op 9-10-2011 11:48, A-P. Lian schreef:
> Correct... I am not packaging for SCORM right now, though that may be
> a possibility in the future. I am just playing with the system right
> now. So far I like it very much - I had only played with the windows
> version of xerte previously.
>
> Cheers and many thanks once again.
> Andrew
>
>
>
> --
> Professor Dr. Andrew Lian
> School of English
> Institute of Social Technology
> Suranaree University of Technology
> 111 University Avenue
> Muang District
> Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand, 30000
> Emeritus Professor , University of Canberra, Canberra, ACT, Australia
> Vice-President of AsiaCALL
> e-mail: andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>; website:
> http://www.andrewlian.com <http://www.andrewlian.com/>
>
> We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are. (Anaïs Nin)
> The universe is made up of stories, not atoms (Muriel Rukeyser)
> When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at
> change (Max Planck)
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 16:44, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl
> <mailto:reijnders at tor.nl>> wrote:
>
> If I look at your package, you are using the standalone Xerte, and
> you are (just) publishing, not packaging for Scorm, right?
>
> Than it should go in c:\program files(x86)\xerte\publish\html
> (depending on where you have installed you desktop Xerte).
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom
>
>
> Op 9-10-2011 11:35, A-P. Lian schreef:
>> Thank you both very very much. It certainly does work (at least
>> on my laptop - will verify on server).
>>
>> Maybe something went wrong with the updates as you say. I
>> downloaded everything as is - latest version (downloaded this
>> morning) and touched absolutely nothing.
>>
>> Where should I put the .js file so that it gets exported properly?
>>
>> Thanks again. Will report anything new. I appreciate your help so
>> much.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dr. Andrew Lian
>> School of English
>> Institute of Social Technology
>> Suranaree University of Technology
>> 111 University Avenue
>> Muang District
>> Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand, 30000
>> Emeritus Professor , University of Canberra, Canberra, ACT, Australia
>> Vice-President of AsiaCALL
>> e-mail: andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>; website:
>> http://www.andrewlian.com <http://www.andrewlian.com/>
>>
>> We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are. (Anaïs Nin)
>> The universe is made up of stories, not atoms (Muriel Rukeyser)
>> When you change the way you look at things, the things you look
>> at change (Max Planck)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 16:03, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl
>> <mailto:reijnders at tor.nl>> wrote:
>>
>> Confirmed....
>> The attached one is working. (Basically the one of one of my
>> 2.16 template projects)
>>
>> Op 9-10-2011 10:51, Pat Lockley schreef:
>>
>> nerd speak
>>
>> the JS file in the zip appears to be "wrong"
>>
>> if you swap it for the one in modules/xerte/scorm it
>> works (well it
>> does on my install).
>>
>> It maybe this file has been updated by mistake in the zip?
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 6:59 AM, A-P.
>> Lian<andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello again everyone,
>> The Internet in Thailand has been up and down where I
>> live because of the
>> floods. Sorry for the delay in responding.
>> I have installed a brand new xampp and xerte online
>> toolkit on a different
>> PC.
>> I have the same problems as on my other machines.
>> I can create the LO. I Publish it. I extract it in a
>> folder in the root of
>> my xampp installation of Apache. I try to run it by
>> connecting it to
>> localhost. It loads the Flash "engine" but just stops
>> running after that. I
>> think I must be missing something really simple.
>> It works fine in Preview mode.
>> Should I set the mime types in the xampp installation
>> too? I tried it on one
>> of my machines and restarted apache. It still did not
>> work.
>> Attached is the zip file.
>> This is really puzzling me.
>> All the best and many many thanks,
>> Andrew
>> --
>> Professor Dr. Andrew Lian
>> School of English
>> Institute of Social Technology
>> Suranaree University of Technology
>> 111 University Avenue
>> Muang District
>> Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand, 30000
>> Emeritus Professor , University of Canberra,
>> Canberra, ACT, Australia
>> Vice-President of AsiaCALL
>> e-mail: andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>; website:
>> http://www.andrewlian.com
>>
>> We don't see things as they are, we see things as we
>> are. (Anaïs Nin)
>> The universe is made up of stories, not atoms (Muriel
>> Rukeyser)
>> When you change the way you look at things, the
>> things you look at change
>> (Max Planck)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 16:02, A-P.
>> Lian<andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>> wrote:
>>
>> And while I think of it...
>> Yes I did add mimetypes both through .htaccess
>> and through the cPanel on
>> my server.
>> Tom Reijnders suggested text/plain rlo etc and
>> the server people suggested
>> application/xml
>> I tried both variations on the remote server, not
>> the local xampp - no
>> joy.
>> Cheers
>> Andrew
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dr. Andrew Lian
>> School of English
>> Institute of Social Technology
>> Suranaree University of Technology
>> 111 University Avenue
>> Muang District
>> Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand, 30000
>> Emeritus Professor , University of Canberra,
>> Canberra, ACT, Australia
>> Vice-President of AsiaCALL
>> e-mail: andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>; website:
>> http://www.andrewlian.com
>>
>> We don't see things as they are, we see things as
>> we are. (Anaïs Nin)
>> The universe is made up of stories, not atoms
>> (Muriel Rukeyser)
>> When you change the way you look at things, the
>> things you look at change
>> (Max Planck)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 15:51, Pat
>> Lockley<patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
>> <mailto:patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Also, if the URL is accessible, then send the
>> URL and I can test
>>
>> Also, should we add mimetypes the installed
>> htaccess file?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Tom
>> Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl
>> <mailto:reijnders at tor.nl>> wrote:
>>
>> Do you mind posting the zip file (or
>> sending it by pm) so I can have a
>> look?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Op 7-10-2011 10:41, A-P. Lian schreef:
>>
>> Hello again,
>> Maybe someone has more insights. Here is
>> a summary of the problem.
>> (a) I created and zipped a very simple
>> learning object on my local PC.
>> I
>> uploaded it to my server where I unzipped
>> it. I tried running the
>> lesson but
>> the Flash player seemed to load and then
>> nothing happened.
>> (b) I received some kind help from three
>> people on the list: to the
>> effect
>> that I needed to define the mime types. I
>> did that but there was no
>> change.
>> (c) I then installed the zip file on my
>> Windows PC (where I had
>> generated it
>> - new xampp installation - apparently no
>> problem in making lesson). It
>> froze
>> there too in exactly the same way as on
>> my remote server.
>> (d) The preview worked perfectly on my
>> local machine.
>> I am even more lost than previously. Any
>> help would be most welcome.
>> Thank you
>> Andrew
>> --
>> Professor Dr. Andrew Lian
>> School of English
>> Institute of Social Technology
>> Suranaree University of Technology
>> 111 University Avenue
>> Muang District
>> Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand, 30000
>> Emeritus Professor , University of
>> Canberra, Canberra, ACT, Australia
>> Vice-President of AsiaCALL
>> e-mail: andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>;
>> website: http://www.andrewlian.com
>>
>> We don't see things as they are, we see
>> things as we are. (Anaïs Nin)
>> The universe is made up of stories, not
>> atoms (Muriel Rukeyser)
>> When you change the way you look at
>> things, the things you look at
>> change
>> (Max Planck)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 02:25, A-P.
>> Lian<andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Let me rephrase that. It works fine
>> in preview mode. I have not played
>> it
>> in normal mode. I guess that is the
>> next step.
>>
>> cheers
>> andrew
>>
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dr. Andrew Lian
>> School of English
>> Institute of Social Technology
>> Suranaree University of Technology
>> 111 University Avenue
>> Muang District
>> Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand, 30000
>> Emeritus Professor , University of
>> Canberra, Canberra, ACT, Australia
>> Vice-President of AsiaCALL
>> e-mail: andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>;
>> website: http://www.andrewlian.com
>>
>> We don't see things as they are, we
>> see things as we are. (Anaïs Nin)
>> The universe is made up of stories,
>> not atoms (Muriel Rukeyser)
>> When you change the way you look at
>> things, the things you look at
>> change
>> (Max Planck)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 01:48, A-P.
>> Lian<andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> yes it does
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dr. Andrew Lian
>> School of English
>> Institute of Social Technology
>> Suranaree University of Technology
>> 111 University Avenue
>> Muang District
>> Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand, 30000
>> Emeritus Professor , University
>> of Canberra, Canberra, ACT, Australia
>> Vice-President of AsiaCALL
>> e-mail:
>> andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>;
>> website:
>> http://www.andrewlian.com
>>
>> We don't see things as they are,
>> we see things as we are. (Anaïs Nin)
>> The universe is made up of
>> stories, not atoms (Muriel Rukeyser)
>> When you change the way you look
>> at things, the things you look at
>> change
>> (Max Planck)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 22:45,
>> Julian Tenney
>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
>> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The piece runs when you run
>> the html file locally?
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
>> On Behalf Of A-P. Lian
>> Sent: 04 October 2011 16:13
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re:
>> Transferring files to remote
>> server
>>
>>
>>
>> Well...
>>
>> .htaccess is active but I set
>> the mime types through
>> cpanel.on my
>> server
>>
>> First I tried Tom's solution
>> of text/plain rlo .rlo etc
>> Then I tried application/xml
>> rlo .rlo etc
>>
>> Neither worked. I also
>> uploaded the lesson as a
>> SCORM package
>> installed
>> through moodle. Same problem.
>> I wonder where next to look.
>> Maybe I
>> will
>> start afresh in the next
>> couple of days.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dr. Andrew Lian
>> School of English
>> Institute of Social Technology
>> Suranaree University of
>> Technology
>> 111 University Avenue
>> Muang District
>> Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand,
>> 30000
>> Emeritus Professor ,
>> University of Canberra,
>> Canberra, ACT,
>> Australia
>> Vice-President of AsiaCALL
>> e-mail:
>> andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>;
>> website:
>> http://www.andrewlian.com
>>
>> We don't see things as they
>> are, we see things as we are.
>> (Anaïs
>> Nin)
>> The universe is made up of
>> stories, not atoms (Muriel
>> Rukeyser)
>> When you change the way you
>> look at things, the things
>> you look at
>> change (Max Planck)
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 20:35,
>> A-P.
>> Lian<andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Great - thank you
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dr. Andrew Lian
>> School of English
>> Institute of Social Technology
>> Suranaree University of
>> Technology
>> 111 University Avenue
>> Muang District
>> Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand,
>> 30000
>> Emeritus Professor ,
>> University of Canberra,
>> Canberra, ACT,
>> Australia
>> Vice-President of AsiaCALL
>> e-mail:
>> andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>;
>> website:
>> http://www.andrewlian.com
>>
>> We don't see things as they
>> are, we see things as we are.
>> (Anaïs
>> Nin)
>> The universe is made up of
>> stories, not atoms (Muriel
>> Rukeyser)
>> When you change the way you
>> look at things, the things
>> you look at
>> change (Max Planck)
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 20:17,
>> Tom
>> Reijnders<reijnders at tor.nl
>> <mailto:reijnders at tor.nl>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> That should read:
>>
>> AddType text/plain .rlo
>>
>>
>> If this doesn't work, check
>> if the .htaccess files are
>> enabled.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Citeren "A-P.
>> Lian"<andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>>:
>>
>> Thanks Julian,
>>
>> the server does not seem set
>> up to serve these mime types.
>>
>> I have tried to add the types
>> using .htaccess in the local
>> directory
>> as
>> follows:
>>
>> AddType application/rlo xml
>> -- same for rlm and rlt
>>
>> As I really have no
>> experience in doing this, I
>> suspect that I got
>> everything wrong. I was
>> guessing about "application"
>> "rlo" etc...
>>
>> Any clues you can give me as
>> to how I should declare the
>> types in
>> .htaccess
>> would be very welcome.
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dr. Andrew Lian
>> School of English
>> Institute of Social Technology
>> Suranaree University of
>> Technology
>> 111 University Avenue
>> Muang District
>> Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand,
>> 30000
>> Emeritus Professor ,
>> University of Canberra,
>> Canberra, ACT,
>> Australia
>> Vice-President of AsiaCALL
>> e-mail:
>> andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>;
>> website:
>> http://www.andrewlian.com
>>
>> We don't see things as they
>> are, we see things as we are.
>> (Anaïs
>> Nin)
>> The universe is made up of
>> stories, not atoms (Muriel
>> Rukeyser)
>> When you change the way you
>> look at things, the things
>> you look at
>> change
>> (Max Planck)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 15:25,
>> Julian Tenney
>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
>> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like mime types on the
>> server. Check the archives.
>> The server
>> needs
>>
>> to be able to serve .rlo,
>> .rlm, .rlt (all of which are
>> .xml)****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:*
>> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> [mailto:
>> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
>> *On Behalf Of *A-P. Lian
>> *Sent:* 04 October 2011 08:06
>> *To:* list, Xerte discussion
>> *Subject:* [Xerte]
>> Transferring files to remote
>> server****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> At the risk of filling the
>> listserver with trivia, I
>> have a third
>> question
>> today.
>>
>> I made a short lesson today
>> using the onlinetoolkit in my
>> PC under
>> xampp.
>> Works fine.
>>
>> I zipped it using the
>> built-in facility then FTPd
>> it to my remote
>> server.
>> It unzipped correctly, the
>> media are in the right place
>> and all
>> seems
>> well.
>>
>> I connect to the site, the
>> blue progress bar appears and
>> it says
>> that it
>> has finished loading and to
>> wait. I wait but nothing
>> happens. The
>> progress
>> bar is about 80% across. I
>> then refresh the screen. The
>> progress bar
>> fills
>> completely and then nothing.
>> Any clues???
>>
>> I am working from Thailand
>> with a relatively slow
>> connection but I
>> do
>> not
>> think that this should matter
>> for the amount of traffic
>> involved. My
>> server
>> is in the US. I have not
>> checked the versions of php
>> and mysql but
>> believe
>> that they are likely to be ok.
>>
>> Advice would be greatly welcomed.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> --
>> Professor Dr. Andrew Lian
>> School of English
>> Institute of Social Technology
>> Suranaree University of
>> Technology
>> 111 University Avenue
>> Muang District
>> Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand,
>> 30000
>> Emeritus Professor ,
>> University of Canberra,
>> Canberra, ACT,
>> Australia
>> Vice-President of AsiaCALL
>> e-mail:
>> andrew.lian at andrewlian.com
>> <mailto:andrew.lian at andrewlian.com>;
>> website:
>> http://www.andrewlian.com
>>
>> We don't see things as they
>> are, we see things as we are.
>> (Anaïs
>> Nin)
>> The universe is made up of
>> stories, not atoms (Muriel
>> Rukeyser)
>> When you change the way you
>> look at things, the things
>> you look at
>> change
>>
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>
> Tom Reijnders
> TOR Informatica
> Chopinlaan 27
> 5242HM Rosmalen
> Tel: 073 5226191
> Fax: 073 5226196
>
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>
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> addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have
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> information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any
> views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not
> necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham.
>
> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
> attachment
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> computer system:
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> with the
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