[Xerte] Re: Xerte Develper Nonference: Suggested Dates

[Pat Lockley]

This comes back to what we are a community "of"

If we want people to use the software, then helping people with it
might do more for Xerte than being nerdy for a few days?

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> There’s no avoiding some programming concepts and constructs, but I’ll let
> you into a secret: (whispers) it’s not hard. The core language (the stuff
> you use to make everything else work) is really not very big at all, and
> with half a dozen concepts and half a dozen constructs you can do things.
>
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> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
> Sent: 28 June 2011 21:23
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Xerte Develper Nonference: Suggested Dates
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> I’ll be there anyway – its just a question of whether I make the tea or try
> the sessions J
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> You’re persuading me (but I have to maintain a certain level of technical
> ignorance in order to be accepted as a ‘fellow teacher’ in staff development
> circles… the politics of persuasion..
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> Alistair
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> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 28 June 2011 17:56
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Xerte Develper Nonference: Suggested Dates
>
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> "Would this allow non techie people like me to add additional optional
> elements to a page"
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> In principle yes.
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> Once you get your head around how Page Wizards work you just go hunting.
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> If your page lacks a feature that you want to add, you find a page that has
> that feature, create a page of that type and then look at how it is
> implemented. You can duplicate icons from one page model and move them to
> another page. You just have to check for any references to the original page
> and change them to suit your page. Details of the options you need to add to
> your wizard form will be contained in the wizard form for the other page.
>
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> Sometimes you get issues, video and flash paper might be more prone to that
> sort of thing than say an image, but largely the principle is the same. With
> a bit of juggling you can usually get things to work. But getting things to
> work is a great learning experience and when you have your new finished page
> you can smile quietly to yourself and feel good knowing you have something
> you can re-use again and again, should you so wish.
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> Come on in the waters lovely!
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> Johnathan
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> On 28 June 2011 15:34, Alistair McNaught <Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk>
> wrote:
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> Johnathan,
>
> Would this allow non techie people like me to add additional optional
> elements to a page – for example to have a video clip in a page template
> that currently hasn’t got that option?
>
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>
> Alistair
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> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 28 June 2011 15:28
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> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Xerte Develper Nonference: Suggested Dates
>
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> My thinking, in offering to do something in relation to Page Wizards was to
> expect no previous experience other than use of Page Templates or On-line
> toolkits and to get people to a point where they could
>
> ·         install and use Page Wizards,
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> ·         understand how the various files worked together
>
> ·         learn how they can leverage Page Wizards to build their Developer
> skill and knowledge from simple beginnings to achieving the ability to
> create their own new Page Wizards.
>
> This would include practical items such as
>
> ·         Understanding the basic make up of a page (not a detailed review
> of  the different icons)
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> ·         Modifying properties to change the way a page looks.
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> ·         Adding additional properties to a page's wizard form e.g. changing
> font size or colour, adding dropShadows to images.
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> ·         Saving a modified page as a new Page Wizard for future re-use.
>
> ·         Looking at some existing Page Wizards to see how you might
> re-purpose elements from one page to a different use in a new Page Wizard.
>
> In other words not so much "what do you want to build" but "how can you gain
> the knowledge you will need to build what you want to build".
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> You can't learn to be a Xerte developer in a day, but you can learn how to
> use the resources that Xerte has to offer, so that you can manage your
> learning in an effective, efficient and rewarding way that is practically
> useful from Day 1.
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> What form any input on my part may take would depend on the facilities
> available and on what people wanted - e.g. informal discussion,
> presentation, more formal training with opportunity to practice.
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> I don't know how this fits with everyone else's expectations, but I hope it
> peaks their interest.
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> Kind regards
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> Johnathan
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> On 28 June 2011 13:55, Davidson, Andrew <Andrew.Davidson at warwick.ac.uk>
> wrote:
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> I’d certainly be interested in this – work permitting. I had ignored it
> since I knew it would be over my head.
>
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> I am still at the templates stage with no individualisation yet attempted
> and so to access some form of a workshop to level up my skills would be very
> welcome – I guess it all depends on what the baseline skill level is for
> such an event – i.e. what would be the minimum experience with/usage of
> Xerte you would require for a workshop to work?
>
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> If a baseline level is needed, the perhaps some pre-conference prep could be
> organised which would bring attendees up to the level required for the event
> in sept.
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> If it doesn’t happen for the event in sept then maybe another event
> focussing on content authors and exploring the potential of XOT would be
> most welcome.
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> andy
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> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> Sent: 28 June 2011 13:15
>
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Xerte Develper Nonference: Suggested Dates
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>> Would you want to use part of this event to encourage and facilitate
>> aspiring content authors to become some of the developers of tomorrow?
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> Yes, very much so.
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> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
> Sent: 28 June 2011 12:54
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Xerte Develper Nonference: Suggested Dates
>
>
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> "learn and share ideas..." "but not necessarily limited to developers as all
> input is valuable"
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> I am quoting this from the Doodle: Xerte Developer's Nonference page as it
> may be that content authors who would like to learn how to develop pages may
> feel that this Nonference is not appropriate for them.
>
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> Would you want to use part of this event to encourage and facilitate
> aspiring content authors to become some of the developers of tomorrow?
>
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> If you feel this would be an appropriate use of the time then I would be
> willing, to provide some input on using Page Wizards to "build your
> developer muscles". I have posted something to this effect on the Doodle
> link page, but it occurred to me that content authors might not read the
> Doodle page if they had already decided the event was perhaps going to be
> 'over their heads'.
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> I am not sure how many Xerte developers there are out there at present, but
> a few more wouldn't hurt. :-)
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> I appreciate that you may feel that this idea may be inappropriate for the
> event, or alternatively premature until issues of modularisation are
> resolved.
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> Kind regards
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> Johnathan
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> On 27 June 2011 09:49, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> For those of you that missed this on Friday…
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>
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> Sent: 24 June 2011 09:13
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] ANN: Xerte Develper Nonference: Suggested Dates
>
>
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> We are looking to host a two or three day even in September for developers
> to come together and work on some Xerte stuff, learn and share ideas. There
> is some current community based work afoot to address internationalisation,
> and those developers were looking to meet up to move some ideas forward.
> There are some other ideas that could really do with prototyping, and would
> benefit from some group discussion: mobile delivery, for example, and
> Alistair has some accessibility areas he’d like to improve. Everyone always
> has loads of ideas for new templates as well, it would be good to share some
> knowledge about Xerte 3.0, and I’d welcome anything – anything at all – that
> others would like to put on the agenda
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> The event would be free, and fairly DIY. I’m happy to suggest Nottingham as
> a venue, but also open to ideas for other venues that might be nice.
> Attendees would pay travel and expenses, although there may be some booty
> for people willing to take on certain developments. It’s all quite
> embryonic, but first off I need to get some idea of number of people who’d
> like to get together, and dates that are suitable in the middle two weeks of
> September: register your interest here:
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> http://doodle.com/e9s9raax55ndsxga
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