[Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

Julian Tenney Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
Fri Jan 21 15:50:38 GMT 2011


Yep, that's the service we use too.

Strange.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Adam Read
Sent: 21 January 2011 15:46
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

Cleared cache and tried again, does seem to contact the latex server:

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I didn't like the undefined in there either but they do appear on Jackie's LO when I run it through fiddler:


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Perhaps Pat might have more of an idea when he's back?

Cheers @ all for trying to help with this.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 21 January 2011 15:34
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

I saw the undefined in there and didn't like the look of it. Pat knows more about it. It shows you all the requests your machine is making: one of them / some of them will be for the latex images, I wanted to see what they were,

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Adam Read
Sent: 21 January 2011 15:33
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

Don't really get fiddler. Here's what im getting from my machine

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Adam

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 21 January 2011 15:00
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

I want to see what URL is being requested for the latex stuff:

I get this when I try and debug in fiddler - problem?

[cid:image001.png at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Adam Read
Sent: 21 January 2011 14:44
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

It does seem strange

Here my LO running the code below: http://elearning.net.marjon.ac.uk/rlo/play.php?template_id=201

Can anyone else get proper symbols appearing in an LO using John's code:

<tex src="ax^2 + bx + c"></tex>
<br><br>are given by the formula
<br><tex src="\frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2 - 4ac}}{2a} "></tex>
<br><br><br>where
<br><tex src="a \neq 0"></tex>

Should display like:

[cid:image002.jpg at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]

Not like this:

[cid:image003.png at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]

Adam

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 21 January 2011 14:36
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

Bit lost then, because those are images returned from a server somewhere. Not sure why the requests from your machine / network for the same thing to the same place return different results...

Post the link to your object so we can run it?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Adam Read
Sent: 21 January 2011 14:35
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

Yep - updated it earlier to fix the gapfill problem.


From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 21 January 2011 14:19
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

What XMLEngine.swf have you got?

Is it this one?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Adam Read
Sent: 21 January 2011 14:17
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

Hi John

Thanks very much for providing the examples. However, mine still doesn't seem to want to render special characters.

First example:

[cid:image004.png at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]

Returns this in Xerte:

[cid:image005.png at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]

Any ideas?

Adam

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of John Horton
Sent: 21 January 2011 14:06
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

Here are some examples:



<tex src="ax^2 + bx + c"></tex>
<br><br>are given by the formula
<br><tex src="\frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2 - 4ac}}{2a} "></tex>
<br><br><br>where
<br><tex src="a \neq 0"></tex>


[cid:image006.png at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]



<tex src="e^{-i\pi} \;+ \;1 \;=\; 0"></tex>

[cid:image007.png at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]


<tex src="E = mc^2"></tex>
<br><br>where
<br><tex src="m = \frac{m_0}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}"></tex>


[cid:image008.png at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]

<tex src="\frac{1}{c^2}\; \frac{\partial \psi^2}{\partial t^2} \;=\; \nabla^2\psi"></tex>


[cid:image009.png at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]

This is the general equation where H is the Hamiltonian:

<br><tex src="i\hbar {\partial\Psi(\mathbf{r} ,\,t) \over \partial t} = \hat H \Psi(\mathbf{r},\,t)"></tex>

<br><br>For a single particle in three dimensions it can reduced to:

<tex src="i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial t} \Psi(\mathbf{r},\,t) = -\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\nabla^2\Psi(\mathbf{r},\,t) + V(\mathbf{r})\Psi(\mathbf{r},\,t)"></tex>





[cid:image010.png at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]




From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 21 January 2011 13:55
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

It's the $ in your example that seems to be causing the problems I think.  This works without them in:

<tex src="\sqrt{2}">


From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Adam Read
Sent: 21 January 2011 13:07
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

Cheers Julian

A.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 21 January 2011 13:03
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

It's not my project. I did look at the raw xml, but it has a load of escaped characters in there which make it more difficult to copy / paste into a mail.  I have sent your message to the owner of the project.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Adam Read
Sent: 21 January 2011 12:16
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

No chance of seeing the text as it appears in that Xerte LO?!

That document doesn't really help at the moment as I can't replicate the examples in Xerte until im sure what to include and what not to!

For example, the document tells you to write:

\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
The square root of two: $\sqrt{2}$. I can type math!
\end{document}

To output:

[cid:image011.png at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]

But in Xerte

<tex src="\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
The square root of two: $\sqrt{2}$. I can type math!
\end{document}
">

Renders:

[cid:image012.png at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]

And

<tex src="The square root of two: $\sqrt{2}$. I can type math!"> renders:

[cid:image013.png at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]

<tex src="$\sqrt{2}$"> just renders:

[cid:image014.png at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]

Any ideas? I could probably work out what I'm missing from that example Nottingham LATEX LO!

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Adam Read
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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 21 January 2011 11:55
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dwilkins/LaTeXPrimer/

I don't think there is anything 'funny' about the latex service we use. It is a third party service though, but we are working to implementing it ourselves,

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Adam Read
Sent: 21 January 2011 11:45
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

Any chance of seeing the LATEX code to generate these equations:

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_595

My LO doesn't seem to want to do fancy graphic ones (e.g. special chars) - do you need to tell latex to load a set of chars? I can get it to render things like e=mc2 but not much else:

[cid:image015.png at 01CBB982.F2CF9AD0]

Bl***y maths...

I've tried doing

<tex src="\usepackage{amsmath}"> to no avail.

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Adam Read
eLearning Technologist

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 21 January 2011 11:00
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Math Symbols

Use latex in text fields

<tex src="e=mc^2">

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Adam Read
Sent: 21 January 2011 11:00
To: Xerte discussion list (xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk)
Subject: [Xerte] Math Symbols

Hi all

Is anyone using Math / Scientific symbols in Xerte? I've had a request for help from a Maths lecturer who needs to use symbols.

I've had a go using <sub> and <sup> which works in XOT with "allow subscripts" ticked, and also came across an earlier list post pointing out HTML chars which seem to work, but I also came across some reference to Latex.

Does latex work in XOT? Last I read it seemed some service you chaps used had crashed?

If there is an easier way than using HTML syntax then let me know. I guess another alternative would be to use some other software and save them as images.

Cheers, Adam

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University College Plymouth St Mark & St John,  Derriford Road, Plymouth, PL6 8BH

            Phone:  01752 636700     Web:  www.ucpmarjon.ac.uk

 Principal: Professor Margaret Noble A Church of England College Founded in 1840

University College Plymouth St Mark & St John is a registered charity the trustee

   of which is a company limited by guarantee registered in England No. 986239
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