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I don't think it's about Answer or Option.... Frankly, I don't care.
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The point is, that we need to be able to differentiate between the
fact that the user is changing the contents of the Answer or Option,
and changing the label used in the tree and the label used for
tracking.<br>
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Tom<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 8-9-2017 om 14:09 schreef Julian
Tenney:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">No worries!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Could we do the
auto-increment thing do you think? Is that a good idea? And
use incremenr=”true” in the .xwd to add a count of the
children to the end of the string?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Question1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Would be the
best thing from my point of view, and then it’s obvious what
it’s for. ‘Tree’ doesn’t mean anything to most users.
‘Answer label’ to me sounds like the name of the property,
rather than its value – why did you reject ‘option’ as the
string? I seem to remember a similar semantic discussion
years ago when we came up with ‘question’ and ‘option’<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Julian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"
lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 08 September 2017 11:27<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Quiz and Tree/Tracking
Label<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Apologies for
answering only to you, it was my full intention to answer the
list. Honestly :-)<br>
<br>
I do agree that 'A - Tree/Tracking Label' is confusing, but
also because of the abbreviation of Answer and Question.<br>
<br>
Like I said, I prefer to make this 'Answer - Tree/Tracking
label' or even better 'Answer label'<br>
<br>
What would be interesting to know is, if you can go back to
the people who asked and were confused, and explained the
functionality: how would they like it to be called?<br>
<br>
Tom<span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Op 8-9-2017 om 11:43 schreef Julian
Tenney:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Can we please
keep the discussion in the open? I’d appreciate other’s
points of view. Sometimes there is a good reason to take
the discussion off list, but we ought to be discussing in
the open otherwise. We can’t function well as a community
if people are not aware of what is being discussed and
have an opportunity to contribute. If we would prefer to
have a private list, rather than a public list for this
then we can discuss that, but I don’t see what’s wrong
with discussing general developments in public. It shows
people who are interested that activity is going on, and
even provides the means for them to contribute. It is
defined in our governance policy:
<a
href="https://github.com/thexerteproject/xerteonlinetoolkits/wiki/6.-Decision-Making-Process"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://github.com/thexerteproject/xerteonlinetoolkits/wiki/6.-Decision-Making-Process</a>.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">From my point
of view the confusing part is ‘Tree/Tracking label’. Users
do not know what that means. They probably don’t know what
tree we refer to. They may not be using, or interested, in
tracking. They want to make a quiz out of questions and
answers, that’s the feedback I’m getting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Julian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"
lang="EN-US"> Tom Reijnders [<a
href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:reijnders@tor.nl</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 08 September 2017 10:34<br>
<b>To:</b> Tenney Julian <a
href="mailto:cczjrt@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true"><cczjrt@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Xerte-dev] Quiz and Tree/Tracking
Label</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I think the
confusing part is the A<br>
<br>
So although I understand that we want to keep these texts
short, I think we should change it to Answer - Tree/Tracking
label, or if you prefer Answer label<br>
<br>
Same holds for other similar labels like Q - Tree/Tracking
label of course.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Op 8-9-2017 om 11:27 schreef Julian
Tenney:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We’ve had some comments from users
saying they don’t understand the ‘A – Tree/Tracking label’
string in the label field. I tend to agree this fails the
FWS test. I don’t have any problem with the functionality
as such, I can see it’s useful, but I think we need to
change the string in the label field. ‘A – Tree/Tracking
label’ is not intuitive, and I’ve had some ‘huh?’ emails
from some reasonably adept users about it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In the past we had ‘question’ and
‘option’, which led to the tree view like…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Question<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Etc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Having the ability to control how the
tree looks is an improvement on this, although we now have
the same situation (albeit editable) where you produce
this:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Q - Tree/Tracking label<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This in my view is worse than what we
had before. People know what a ‘question’ and an ‘option’
are. They haven’t the faintest idea what ‘A -
Tree/Tracking label’ means, so I would favour taking it
back to ‘question’ and ‘option’.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Better would be if we could
auto-increment the items as they are added so you get<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:2.25pt">etc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">…but I don’t think we have that
functionality anywhere in the editor at present. If we
added a property to the xwd to say <blah…
…increment=”true”/> presumably it wouldn’t be too
difficult to add that functionality, and just add n to the
end of the string based on a count of the children.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What do you think?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Julian<o:p></o:p></p>
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