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Apologies for answering only to you, it was my full intention to
answer the list. Honestly :-)<br>
<br>
I do agree that 'A - Tree/Tracking Label' is confusing, but also
because of the abbreviation of Answer and Question.<br>
<br>
Like I said, I prefer to make this 'Answer - Tree/Tracking label' or
even better 'Answer label'<br>
<br>
What would be interesting to know is, if you can go back to the
people who asked and were confused, and explained the functionality:
how would they like it to be called?<br>
<br>
Tom<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 8-9-2017 om 11:43 schreef Julian
Tenney:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Can we please
keep the discussion in the open? I’d appreciate other’s
points of view. Sometimes there is a good reason to take the
discussion off list, but we ought to be discussing in the
open otherwise. We can’t function well as a community if
people are not aware of what is being discussed and have an
opportunity to contribute. If we would prefer to have a
private list, rather than a public list for this then we can
discuss that, but I don’t see what’s wrong with discussing
general developments in public. It shows people who are
interested that activity is going on, and even provides the
means for them to contribute. It is defined in our
governance policy:
<a
href="https://github.com/thexerteproject/xerteonlinetoolkits/wiki/6.-Decision-Making-Process"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://github.com/thexerteproject/xerteonlinetoolkits/wiki/6.-Decision-Making-Process</a>.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">From my point
of view the confusing part is ‘Tree/Tracking label’. Users
do not know what that means. They probably don’t know what
tree we refer to. They may not be using, or interested, in
tracking. They want to make a quiz out of questions and
answers, that’s the feedback I’m getting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Julian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"
lang="EN-US"> Tom Reijnders [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl">mailto:reijnders@tor.nl</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 08 September 2017 10:34<br>
<b>To:</b> Tenney Julian
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cczjrt@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk"><cczjrt@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Xerte-dev] Quiz and Tree/Tracking
Label<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I think the
confusing part is the A<br>
<br>
So although I understand that we want to keep these texts
short, I think we should change it to Answer - Tree/Tracking
label, or if you prefer Answer label<br>
<br>
Same holds for other similar labels like Q - Tree/Tracking
label of course.<span
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<p class="MsoNormal">Op 8-9-2017 om 11:27 schreef Julian
Tenney:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We’ve had some comments from users saying
they don’t understand the ‘A – Tree/Tracking label’ string
in the label field. I tend to agree this fails the FWS test.
I don’t have any problem with the functionality as such, I
can see it’s useful, but I think we need to change the
string in the label field. ‘A – Tree/Tracking label’ is not
intuitive, and I’ve had some ‘huh?’ emails from some
reasonably adept users about it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In the past we had ‘question’ and
‘option’, which led to the tree view like…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Question<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Etc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Having the ability to control how the
tree looks is an improvement on this, although we now have
the same situation (albeit editable) where you produce this:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Q - Tree/Tracking label<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:2.25pt">etc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This in my view is worse than what we had
before. People know what a ‘question’ and an ‘option’ are.
They haven’t the faintest idea what ‘A - Tree/Tracking
label’ means, so I would favour taking it back to ‘question’
and ‘option’.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Better would be if we could
auto-increment the items as they are added so you get<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Question1<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:2.25pt">etc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">…but I don’t think we have that
functionality anywhere in the editor at present. If we added
a property to the xwd to say <blah…
…increment=”true”/> presumably it wouldn’t be too
difficult to add that functionality, and just add n to the
end of the string based on a count of the children.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What do you think?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Julian<o:p></o:p></p>
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