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Ok, not one large file. That's ok with me, and I do agree with the
arguments. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 18-5-2016 om 13:37 schreef Julian
Tenney:<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span
style="color:#7F7F7F;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#7F7F7F;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">I'm
not sure we would want to go down the route of taking all
the model css out into a central file as doesn't that move
away from being able to easily customise / add in new pages
etc.? We moved away from having one large xwd file to having
one for each model so I'm not sure we'd want one large css
file for models that we'd have to add to every time we add a
new page type.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">That's what I was worried about as well,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"
lang="EN-US">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] On Behalf
Of Fay Cross<br>
Sent: 18 May 2016 10:25<br>
To: For Xerte technical developers
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk></a><br>
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Model specific css of Nottingham
template</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I've replied to the Doodle but wanted to
put some of my thoughts here so I don't forget before we catch
up.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I agree with John's email about
restructuring the models, including adding html / css via JS.
This would make a lot of other things a lot easier.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I'm not sure we would want to go down
the route of taking all the model css out into a central file
as doesn't that move away from being able to easily customise
/ add in new pages etc.? We moved away from having one large
xwd file to having one for each model so I'm not sure we'd
want one large css file for models that we'd have to add to
every time we add a new page type.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a>]
On Behalf Of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: 17 May 2016 13:19<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Model specific
css of Nottingham template<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Ok Doodle link is <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://doodle.com/poll/gxxiv9474y63v9ns">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://doodle.com/poll/gxxiv9474y63v9ns">http://doodle.com/poll/gxxiv9474y63v9ns</a></span></a>
would be good if everyone could respond by the end of this
week especially those flying off!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a>]
On Behalf Of Julian Tenney<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: 17 May 2016 12:49<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Model specific
css of Nottingham template<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Good idea<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a>>
on behalf of
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</span></a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: 17 May 2016 12:02<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: 'For Xerte technical developers'<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Model specific
css of Nottingham template<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Is it worth scheduling an online meeting
to discuss all this in detail?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">There might be scope to discuss when we
might all get together to work on this too?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I know Tom, Inge and Fay are off to the
Apero conference at the end of this week and I think Julian is
swamped with other stuff but perhaps once our 'conference
reps' are back they could update us from the conference and we
could discuss this and other developments at the same time?
Worth doing a doodle to check availability say week beginning
6th June?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a>]
On Behalf Of Smith, John<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: 17 May 2016 11:24<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: Pat Lockley (Pgogy) <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:info@pgogywebstuff.com"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info@pgogywebstuff.com">info@pgogywebstuff.com</a></span></a>>;
For Xerte technical developers <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Model specific
css of Nottingham template<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Don't see why not.... it would all be js
which has to run to generate the LO anyway. JS is one of the
things least affected by browser security as you can just load
it into the head programatically and as long as it's the same
domain you can run it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">John Smith<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Learning Technologist | School of Health
& Life Sciences<o:p></o:p></p>
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Glasgow Caledonian University, Cowcaddens Road, Glasgow, G4
0BA, Scotland, United Kingdom<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">From: Pat Lockley (Pgogy)
[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info@pgogywebstuff.com">info@pgogywebstuff.com</a>]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: 17 May 2016 11:19<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: For Xerte technical developers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Cc: Smith, John<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [Xerte-dev] Re: Model
specific css of Nottingham template<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Would that work if locally ran exported?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On 2016-05-17 05:29, Smith, John wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> When Fay and I initially changed
the models into a more object
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> oriented format I had the idea to
have the css and html containers all
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> js based and created as the result
of calling a method of the page
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> model object. That way you could
load the css into the head (or<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> anywhere) and you you could load
the containers into any other
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> container. This would give the
possibility of loading all the page
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> models on the fly when the learning
object loads and also allow for
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> example a "page preview" popup box
to be loaded in the editor. You'd
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> pass additional parameters to these
functions to determine how the
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> html/css is built and where it
would be loaded to...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> So you'd just have a couple of
methods like<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> buildCSS ( .... ) { ..... }<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> buildContainer ( ..... ) { .......
}<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> The CSS/HTML would either just be
written out as strings or built on
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> the fly using jQuery constructors
and then send on to the next stage.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Either way it would be
customisable....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> It would be a lot of work but it
would give the most flexibility,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> including being able to render
multiple LO pages in a single html page
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> which is what we need for printing
etc.... Once xenith and a single
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> page model was working though it
would be relatively easy to convert
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> the rest.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> John Smith<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Learning Technologist | School of
Health & Life Sciences<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
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Glasgow Caledonian
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> University, Cowcaddens Road,
Glasgow, G4 0BA, Scotland, United Kingdom<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] On Behalf Of Julian
Tenney
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sent: 17 May 2016 07:22<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: For Xerte technical developers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Model
specific css of Nottingham template<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Seems a good idea to me: if we were
doing it from scratch, how would
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> we have implemented it? With
specific model ids?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a>]
On Behalf Of Tom
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Reijnders<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sent: 16 May 2016 20:06<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: For Xerte technical developers
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Model
specific css of Nottingham template<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Option 2 is an interesting one! I
can do that quickly....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Op 16-5-2016 om 20:46 schreef Pat L
(pgogy):<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Place one model specific id at a
higher level?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Or change body class on page turn?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> -------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: Tom Reijnders <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl">reijnders@tor.nl</a></span></a>><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl">mailto:reijnders@tor.nl</a></span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Date: 16/05/2016 19:25 (GMT+00:00)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: Xerte Dev Mailing List<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> When we discussed H5P on the
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> that it might be a good idea to
look at the aesthetics of all the
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> models again and see if we can
improve them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> One of the experiments I did, was
to extract all the model specific
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> css in a separate file, and include
that file in the rloObject.htm and
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> delete the inline styles from the
model.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> 1. It make it possible to
override model specific css 2. It make
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> it possible to override model
specific css in the themes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Regrettable, that doesn't work,
because the models do not use
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> independent html id's and classes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> What I would like to propose is to:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> 1. Make sure all the id's and
classes used in a model file are
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prefixing?) 2. Extract the inline css from
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> the model files in a central file<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Just to be able to override css in
a LO specific custom stylesheet and
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> in a theme.<o:p></o:p></p>
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