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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For other users I agree with Julian that perhaps the optional property panel should be closed by default but then we need a more prominent link/button to 'show optional properties'<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For me and other regular users I think having the optional properties visible and always available and with an indication of which have already been added e.g. greyed out is great!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fay Cross<br><b>Sent:</b> 19 November 2014 10:31<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Design new editor<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would prefer them to not be visible initially too, I think it looks a bit daunting at the moment when every possible thing you might want to do on a page is there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think that they are too easy to overlook on the Flash version though – I know when I’ve advised people in the past (who are already familiar with Toolkits) that there is an optional property that can do what they’re trying to do, they hadn’t noticed they were there at all. That’s why I wondered about there being something below the required properties – so you fill in the form top to bottom and then immediately below the last item is something that will show the ‘what else can this page do?’ stuff if they’re interested.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br><b>Sent:</b> 17 November 2014 16:03<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Design new editor<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My preference is to hide the optional properties, but if you open them, then perhaps they should remain open. It’s just about keeping the interface really clean and not intimidating users; that might be possible by using a different method to display the optional properties rather than the big chunky buttons: I’m not sure what that is though.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I wish there was a really good set of flex-like controls for web native stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br><b>Sent:</b> 15 November 2014 09:22<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Design new editor<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I like this idea.<br><br>On the Optional parameters, I am not sure why you want t hide them. Most of the comments that we got really liked the fact that you could immediatley see what the optional parameters are. And, if you happen to have a smaller screen you can auto-colapse the panel. Just my 2 cents...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Smith, Bradley schreef op 14-11-2014 19:49:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>With regard to the Insert Page dialog, I think the interface could use space more efficiently if it used breadcrumbs instead of nested menus, as in the mock-up screenshot below. The “Insert Page” breadcrumb would reset the menu on the left to show all of the top-level page types. This allows the dialogue to be resized once in a single div each time a submenu is selected, without the messiness of dynamic menus. It would also allow for an arbitrary number of submenus if having page sub(-sub-sub…)-types ever became desirable. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The source for the mock-up (which is just a static html+css, not an actual implementation in Xerte!) is here:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <a href="https://gist.github.com/usernamenumber/ab4d4486430eb777cb42">https://gist.github.com/usernamenumber/ab4d4486430eb777cb42</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Now excuse me, I need to go write “I will not say to myself ‘I’ll just throw together a quick mock-up, it won’t take long’, for that is a lie” on the blackboard 1000 times… :P <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=1024 height=522 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01D003E6.092EAE40"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>—Brad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ron Mitchell <<a href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>For Xerte technical developers <<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 4:30 AM<br><b>To: </b>'For Xerte technical developers' <<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>[Xerte-dev] Re: Design new editor<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>>"We might want to think about bringing the whole interface (workspace as well) up to date."<</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Absolutely! Happy to help too but very little time during November now.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ron</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br><b>Sent:</b> 13 November 2014 09:13<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Design new editor</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>It would be good to have discussions here about the sort of thing we want to achieve, I don’t see why we can’t move on a lot of the ‘design’ work between us: this is the sort of thing this list is for!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>This is where we are right now, and to start with it would be good to just try some ideas – it’s pretty close to the old editor:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=595 height=542 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CFFF24.69F5B690"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Also there are some bits that don’t work very gracefully, where might need to come up with a better way:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=592 height=539 id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image002.jpg@01CFFF24.69F5B690"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Also, the next release doesn’t need to have any University of Nottingham branding in it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>We might want to think about bringing the whole interface (workspace as well) up to date.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Smith, Bradley<br><b>Sent:</b> 12 November 2014 19:21<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Design new editor</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>My html5/css skills are ok, and I might even be able to justify spending some work time on this, but it’ll be hard to make guarantees. Given that there seem to be others in a similar position, could you just post a sketch (so to speak) of what problems you need solved to the list and/or in a GitHub issue so we can all discuss it?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>—Brad</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Inge Donkervoort 12Change <<a href="mailto:i.donkervoort@12change.eu">i.donkervoort@12change.eu</a>><br><b>Organization: </b>12Change<br><b>Reply-To: </b>For Xerte technical developers <<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 9:54 AM<br><b>To: </b>For Xerte technical developers <<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>[Xerte-dev] Design new editor</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi all,<br><br>As you know we are working hard on the new Xerte editor. 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