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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Looks like we take up Apereo lists then…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Osborne David <br><b>Sent:</b> 13 October 2014 16:24<br><b>To:</b> Tenney Julian<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Xerte-dev] test<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Julian<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm sorry to hear that delays to e-mails are still causing a problem for the list.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The only cause I can think of is the outsourced iCritical scanning service, as inbound messages can be routed through a number of scanning nodes, each of which may have mail queues of different sizes and hence introduce varying delays to different messages. It's not possible to route the inbound xerte-dev list messages separately to messages for all the other lists without changing the mail routing for the Mailman mailing lists server as a whole. I'm reluctant do that for two reasons: firstly, it would reduce the resilience of the mail routing and secondly, I have had no reports of this being a problem for any other of our lists.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The only alternative I can suggest is that you consider relocating the list to an external mailing lists service: JISCmail would seem to be an obvious choice, due to the use of Xerte by the UK academic community: see <a href="http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/groups/startagroup/grouprequestform.html">JISCMail</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>regards<br>David<br><br>-- <br></span><b><span style='color:#005493'>David Osborne </span></b><b><span style='color:#797979'>BA MSc<br>Senior Systems Development Officer</span></b><span style='color:#797979'><br></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;color:#797979'>Information Services </span><span style='color:#797979'><br></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;color:#797979'>The University of Nottingham</span><span style='color:#797979'><br></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;color:#797979'>Systems & Security Team, King's Meadow Campus, Nottingham NG7 2NR</span><span style='color:#797979'><br></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;color:#797979'>t: +44 (0) 115 95<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>13397</i></span><span style='color:#797979'><br></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;color:#797979'>w: </span><span style='color:black'><a href="http://nottingham.ac.uk/"><span style='font-size:8.5pt'>nottingham.ac.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 13 Oct 2014, at 13:13, Tenney Julian <<a href="mailto:cczjrt@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk">cczjrt@exmail.nottingham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi David,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We have never really fully resolved the issues with the xerte-dev (and I expect the xerte list) that I have reported to you several times now: I still get complaints that messages are not showing up at all, or that the order of the postings becomes confused making it very difficult to follow the thread of a discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There are some clues that indicate something is filtering out, or holding back messages: usually plain text messages get through OK; often the messages that get held up contain links or code examples; this morning it appears a particular domain cannot send mails to the list at all.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Do you have any idea what might be impacting this, and whether this is something that can be resolved?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Julian</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Tom Reijnders [<a href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:reijnders@tor.nl</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>13 October 2014 12:37<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Julian Tenney<br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Fwd: Re: [Xerte-dev] Re: test</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Julian,<br><br>I sent a reply at 13:18 (about 20 minutes ago), so far I haven't seen it.<br><br>Tom<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>-------- Origineel bericht --------<o:p></o:p></p></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Onderwerp:</b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Re: [Xerte-dev] Re: test<o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Datum:</b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:18:02 +0200<o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Van:</b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tom Reijnders<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl"><span style='color:purple'><reijnders@tor.nl></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Aan:</b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal>For Xerte technical developers<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><span style='color:purple'><xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><pre>Let's check whether it has to do with the e-mail domain.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Julian Tenney schreef op 13-10-2014 11:22:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Do you see these Inge?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><span style='color:purple'>xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Sent: 13 October 2014 10:20<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> To: For Xerte technical developers<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: test<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Hmm.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> We have seen issues when links or code are included: so let's test this:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <a href="http://www.xerte.org.uk/"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.xerte.org.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><span style='color:purple'>xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</span></a>] On Behalf Of David Goodwin<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Sent: 13 October 2014 10:19<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> To: For Xerte technical developers<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: test<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> On 13/10/14 10:11, Julian Tenney wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> We have reports the list is not working..?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> They're wrong :)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> David.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> 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