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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>></span><span style='color:#1F497D'> <span lang=EN-US>Still not 100% convinced about potentially shutting out the ‘poorer’ sections of the world where they are potentially locked into IE6/7 even if it is because the only thing they have is a knockoff of Windows 98SE or XP_SP0<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Maybe, but there are very good reasons to develop for a modern browser, especially in a free project, and there is a reasonableness test here: how reasonable is it for a free project developed out of goodwill to hamper itself by trying to accommodate old technology? I think too much good developer time has been lost to IE6 already. Time to move on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Smith, John<br><b>Sent:</b> 13 November 2013 14:05<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Yeah I think depending on where you look you will definitely see differently skewed stats – I rate statcounter because of the number of sites (more coverage) is showing about 1% usage of IE6/7 over 3million sites and about 11% if you include IE6-8<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>So perhaps Julian is right, perhaps we should only focus on supporting IE8+ <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Still not 100% convinced about potentially shutting out the ‘poorer’ sections of the world where they are potentially locked into IE6/7 even if it is because the only thing they have is a knockoff of Windows 98SE or XP_SP0<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>John Smith<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Learning Technologist<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>School of Health & Life Sciences<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Glasgow Caledonian University<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Mitchell<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:15 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'For Xerte technical developers'<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: <a href="http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/">http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I think those w3schools results are skewed by the type of content/purpose of their site.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>In my experience on desktops/laptops IE is still the default in most education establishments especially FE, ACL etc<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It also seems to have become common to also have Chrome or Firefox installed/available (mostly driven by Moodle drag and drop) but these are not very often set as the default so non technical users follow a link and it still opens in IE.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>This is obviously mostly anecdotal but certainly reflected by stats on sites to which I have access to that kind of info.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ron<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"></a><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Smith, John<br><b>Sent:</b> 13 November 2013 10:48<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: <a href="http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/">http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I suppose if you use something like this as an indicator <a href="http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_explorer.asp">http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_explorer.asp</a> then we see that last month <5% of visitors to w3schools used IE6-8<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>But if you look at something like this (last year admittedly <a href="http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/04/23/current-status-of-the-browser-wars/">http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/04/23/current-status-of-the-browser-wars/</a>), then in Asia we have 23% still using IE6-8. Not an insignificant market by any means…<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>John Smith<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Learning Technologist<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>School of Health & Life Sciences<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Glasgow Caledonian University<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: <a href="http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/">http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>> </span><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I’ve been trying hard to maintain IE6+ support in xenith but it does make it hard to stay cutting edge though…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Quite. I think there’s only so much we can reasonably do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Smith, John<br><b>Sent:</b> 13 November 2013 10:00<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: <a href="http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/">http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>There’s lots of cool stuff out there but we’re almost getting to the reverse of what happened 5-6 years ago with Chrome now being the leader… back then Microsoft added all this proprietary stuff that developers loved and then developers used it and to this day we have web apps that only work fully in IE… there are about 4 systems currently in use at GCU where IE is the only browser that you can get 100% functionality on and 1 app that I can no longer actually use as it doesn’t work in IE9 and above (only IE6-8)…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I’ve been trying hard to maintain IE6+ support in xenith but it does make it hard to stay cutting edge though…<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>John Smith<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Learning Technologist<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>School of Health & Life Sciences<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Glasgow Caledonian University<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers (<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>)<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] <a href="http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/">http://css-tricks.com/modular-future-web-components/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Cool stuff here.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p>This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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