<div dir="ltr">Also - nerd point<div><br></div><div>Would this sort of SaaS possibly need multisite?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Pat @ Pgogy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:xerte@pgogywebstuff.com" target="_blank">xerte@pgogywebstuff.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The whole world is going SaaS anyways, some people will in house, some people won't. <div><br></div>
<div>I imagine a lot of the in-house people would go for a SaaS if they could</div><div><br></div><div>
We've seen on the list a few people who are using localhosts and for whom a small paid for service would make sense.</div><div><br></div><div>Personally (not to disagree with Mark) I dislike the corporate mothership approach that Drupal and WordPress have because it means a company is driving the future development of the product, not the community as a whole (the itch-scratchers to extend a sort of plebeian commentary) and if the development is dominated to address corporate needs, rather than the community, then it is open-source, but it's future direction is not as open as it could be (perhaps this needs some sort of democratic model)</div>
<div><br></div><div>However, I do think a paid for service / bitnami would be logical</div><div><br></div><div>No idea what the user base is, but I have a suspicion we're mostly education?</div><div><br></div><div><br>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Julian Tenney <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It’s interesting that we tend to put a lot of emphasis on the ‘free’ side of Open Source, but actually for the commercial sector, having something to pay for is better. The commercial organisations I’ve worked in would definitely see it that way, and would be leery of a free product: no support / SLAs etc would kill the idea straightaway. IT teams can be a barrier wherever you are as we know. There are products that aren’t as good as ours charging a lot of money for a year’s access, it’s not just a tenner here and there, more like $1k per user per year with discounts for volume.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Berthelemy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 18 October 2013 09:37</span></p><div><div><br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: <a href="http://xerte.net" target="_blank">xerte.net</a><u></u><u></u></div>
</div><p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Yet, in the corporate world the opposite is becoming true… with far more cloud-based systems being made available organisation-wide (using SAML or LDAP authentication).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Even without authentication, there is still a large untapped market for Xerte in the corporate world, where Articulate and Captivate currently reign. There's no need for sophisticated authentication, as long as there's an easy way of adding users through some sort of CSV upload process.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">These organisation won't touch Xerte at the moment because a) there's no visible sustainable business model, b) there's no paid-for support with service levels etc, and c) there's no quick way to get started without involving corporate IT (which is often the most significant barrier).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">These are all real issues. I know we can argue that Xerte is sustainable simply because it's open source. But that's not really true is it - because it still relies on developers who have the motivation, finance and ability to spend time understanding how the software works.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Mark Berthelemy<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Managing Director - <span style="font-size:10.0pt">Wyver Solutions Ltd</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p><span style="color:#a0a0a8">On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 09:18, Ron Mitchell wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">At organisation level organisations are far better hosting in-house<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">particularly because of authentication reasons. I think if your objective is<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">to use this to pay for ongoing work I'm not sure that will work.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">-----Original Message-----<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">[<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent: 16 October 2013 22:54<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">To: For Xerte technical developers<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: <a href="http://xerte.net" target="_blank">xerte.net</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I know. But it nags at me and has done for a while, It's an opportunity.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">There's no reason why people can't set up such a service, in many ways I'd<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">prefer it was us.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">________________________________________<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">[<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] On Behalf Of Smith, John<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
[<a href="mailto:J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk" target="_blank">J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk</a>]<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent: 16 October 2013 22:30<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">To: For Xerte technical developers<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: <a href="http://xerte.net" target="_blank">xerte.net</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">oooh what will the Nottingham IPR Police say... ;-)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">John Smith | Learning Technologist<u></u><u></u></p>
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</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">________________________________________<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">[<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
[<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>]<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent: 16 October 2013 22:26<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
To: For Xerte technical developers<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: <a href="http://xerte.net" target="_blank">xerte.net</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I think we should keep the domain name, I'll pay for it, I think it's only<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">£20 or so. I keep thinking we should set up a paid for service somewhere to<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">earn the money to pay for the ongoing work, the idea keeps naggng me,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">________________________________________<u></u><u></u></p></div><div>
<p class="MsoNormal">
From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">[<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">[<a href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl" target="_blank">reijnders@tor.nl</a>]<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent: 16 October 2013 21:03<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
To: For Xerte technical developers<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: <a href="http://xerte.net" target="_blank">xerte.net</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">We might want to transfer the contents of the database...<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Tom<u></u><u></u></p></div><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ron Mitchell schreef op 16-10-2013 10:30:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">RIP old wiki…<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">From:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nott" target="_blank">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nott</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://ingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">ingham.ac.uk</a>> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] On Behalf Of<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Julian Tenney<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent: 16 October 2013 09:26<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">To: For Xerte technical developers<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">(<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>>)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Subject: [Xerte-dev] <a href="http://xerte.net" target="_blank">xerte.net</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi, Mark Tomlinson who looks after the old <a href="http://Xerte.net" target="_blank">Xerte.net</a> has been in touch to<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">say the domain registration is about to lapse. It’s where the old wiki is –<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">are there any concerns if we just let it quietly pass away?<u></u><u></u></p>
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