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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me the University has registered a trademark against ‘Xerte’, to be managed in much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen to leave this job to pursue it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Berthelemy<br><b>Sent:</b> 18 October 2013 14:39<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are; with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the viability of Xerte in the medium/long term?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a company for much less cost...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mark Berthelemy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Managing Director - <span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Wyver Solutions Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tel:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>01773 318 962<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mob:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>07922 146 761<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Web:<span class=apple-tab-span> </span><a href="http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk">www.wyversolutions.co.uk</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p><span style='color:#A0A0A8'>On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit to how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pat @ Pgogy<br><b>Sent:</b> 18 October 2013 12:55<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: <a href="http://xerte.net">xerte.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one) I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc) <o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the first place) and is when bad things happen.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>It would seem logical that we all half agree some funding is required to go anywhere<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>So, where? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Shuttleworth? Hewlett?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Julian Tenney <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We considered setting up a foundation, but it fell over when we discovered it would cost £5k or £10k a year and would take quite a bit of work to do. It could be resurrected as a discussion though.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Berthelemy<br><b>Sent:</b> 18 October 2013 11:48</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: <a href="http://xerte.net" target="_blank">xerte.net</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>FYI. I did consider setting up a paid service for another open source project, but decided against it as the project had no formal entity through which I could feed back payments. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>If Xerte did have some sort of formal body it would give people confidence to start investing in it…<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Mark<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Mark Berthelemy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Managing Director - <span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Wyver Solutions Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Tel: 01773 318 962<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Mob: 07922 146 761<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Web: <a href="http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk" target="_blank">www.wyversolutions.co.uk</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span style='color:#A0A0A8'>On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 11:43, Ron Mitchell wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;background:white'>Paid for services already exist but for education at least somewhat of a thankless task at least in terms labour v profitability!</span> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Xerte-dev mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br><a href="http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev" target="_blank">http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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