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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">John Smith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">Then it is done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 April 2013 15:25<br>
<b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Done....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Op 25-4-2013 16:11, Julian Tenney schreef:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">OK, the UoN xerte site now points to
<a href="http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip">
<span style="color:#1F497D">http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip</span></a> for the download. Let me know if that’s not correct…</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">…and please build a zip!</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Julian Tenney [<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 25 April 2013 15:06<br>
<b>To:</b> Alistair McNaught; Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Inge Donkervoort 12Change (<a href="mailto:i.donkervoort@12change.eu">i.donkervoort@12change.eu</a>); 'Fay Cross' (<a href="mailto:Fay.Cross@nottingham.ac.uk">Fay.Cross@nottingham.ac.uk</a>); Nuno Jorge (<a href="mailto:Nuno.Jorge@nottingham.ac.uk">Nuno.Jorge@nottingham.ac.uk</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Community Website</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">I have got time next week and the week after to work on the community site if you want. I’d like to go through it and try and get all the typography consistent at least.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">I have made the 2.0 branch now, so you can check out
<a href="https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.0"><span style="color:#1F497D">https://xerteonlinetoolkits.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.0</span></a> for any further changes / fixes etc to that. Keep working in the trunk for new stuff.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">I have zipped up the files and put them on the web site as before, and made a few amendments to the text and so on there, and have referenced the community site on the community page. It’s still
publishing so you might not see the changes just yet.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">Regarding the zip, I’m happy to point the link on the Xerte web site to the community site to pick up Tom’s automated builds: should the link be
<a href="http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip">
<span style="color:#1F497D">http://www.xerte.org.uk/jdownloads/Xerte%20Online%20Toolkits/xertetoolkits_2.0.zip</span></a>? At the moment, it points directly to the zip, rather than the ‘create account to download’ stuff we talked about.
</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">I would prefer to direct people to both
<a href="http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte">http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte</a> and the community site in information about the release to the lists. There isn’t much on the community site about the new release at the moment? I can do this now (I’ve got about
90 minutes of today left) or can wait until Monday if you don’t want me to steal your thunder before tomorrow. I need to write some copy to post anyway, so I’ll crack on with that.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">Next week I can help with the community site – I’m out of the office tomorrow.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Alistair McNaught [<a href="mailto:Alistair.McNaught@HEAcademy.ac.uk">mailto:Alistair.McNaught@HEAcademy.ac.uk</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 25 April 2013 13:57<br>
<b>To:</b> Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Inge Donkervoort 12Change (<a href="mailto:i.donkervoort@12change.eu">i.donkervoort@12change.eu</a>); 'Fay Cross' (<a href="mailto:Fay.Cross@nottingham.ac.uk">Fay.Cross@nottingham.ac.uk</a>); Nuno Jorge (<a href="mailto:Nuno.Jorge@nottingham.ac.uk">Nuno.Jorge@nottingham.ac.uk</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Community Website</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">That’s very odd – I can’t replicate those issues (except the typography styles – that’s a consequence of things being written by different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style
guide).</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">The whole point – to me – about a community site is that it will evolve. If we’re encouraging community wider contribution we’ll need to accept a level of stylistic difference. I’m not getting any
jumping around of panels etc and I’m finding all the resources I expected to on the Resources page.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit of the community in southern England
feels the benefits of the site for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of the community feel?
</span></a><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather than later!</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">Alistair</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Julian Tenney [<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 25 April 2013 13:41<br>
<b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers (<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change (<a href="mailto:i.donkervoort@12change.eu">i.donkervoort@12change.eu</a>); 'Fay Cross' (<a href="mailto:Fay.Cross@nottingham.ac.uk">Fay.Cross@nottingham.ac.uk</a>); Nuno Jorge (<a href="mailto:Nuno.Jorge@nottingham.ac.uk">Nuno.Jorge@nottingham.ac.uk</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Community Website</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I have to say, I’m not sure the community web site is ready for public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn’t aligned, I couldn’t find the downloads, and I’m
just not very happy with the way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn’t contain any resources, the resource panel is
repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and there’s a ton other stuff: it’s all just a bit of a mess if you ask me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I’m not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can do a lot better than this: it just doesn’t feel finished, and it doesn’t inspire me with confidence in the tools.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community site now we’ve got this tranche of development work out of the way. We can re-visit
the styling of the application as well at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn’t work very well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">So here’s my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we always have done (or link directly from there to Tom’s zip, without letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from
<a href="http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte">www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte</a>: they just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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