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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>That’s better…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br><b>Sent:</b> 25 April 2013 14:54<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Can you please try to clean the cache? <br><br>it's not what I see here.... also for the english version:<br><br><img width=1098 height=856 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01CE41C4.E320DBE0"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Op 25-4-2013 15:48, Julian Tenney schreef:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Nope:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img width=1600 height=1160 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image002.png@01CE41C4.E320DBE0"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br><b>Sent:</b> 25 April 2013 14:36<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Community Website</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=964 height=584 id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image003.png@01CE41C4.E320DBE0"><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Op 25-4-2013 15:29, Julian Tenney schreef:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It looks way different in FF to Chrome:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Chrome looks not too bad:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=423 height=310 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image004.jpg@01CE41C4.E320DBE0"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>But FF is ugly</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=422 height=338 id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image005.jpg@01CE41C4.E320DBE0"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>IE is better</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=428 height=342 id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image006.jpg@01CE41C4.E320DBE0"><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Alistair McNaught [<a href="mailto:Alistair.McNaught@HEAcademy.ac.uk">mailto:Alistair.McNaught@HEAcademy.ac.uk</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 25 April 2013 13:57<br><b>To:</b> Julian Tenney; For Xerte technical developers (<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>)<br><b>Cc:</b> Inge Donkervoort 12Change (<a href="mailto:i.donkervoort@12change.eu">i.donkervoort@12change.eu</a>); 'Fay Cross' (<a href="mailto:Fay.Cross@nottingham.ac.uk">Fay.Cross@nottingham.ac.uk</a>); Nuno Jorge (<a href="mailto:Nuno.Jorge@nottingham.ac.uk">Nuno.Jorge@nottingham.ac.uk</a>)<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Community Website</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>That’s very odd – I can’t replicate those issues (except the typography styles – that’s a consequence of things being written by different people at different times and not yet having evolved a style guide).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The whole point – to me – about a community site is that it will evolve. If we’re encouraging community wider contribution we’ll need to accept a level of stylistic difference. I’m not getting any jumping around of panels etc and I’m finding all the resources I expected to on the Resources page. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='color:#1F497D'>I think the question of whether a community site is ready to be launched is a question for the community to decide and this little bit of the community in southern England feels the benefits of the site for new users far outweigh any current problems. What does the rest of the community feel? </span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>We were planning on launching the site to the public tomorrow so a consensus (or at least a quorum) view would be welcome sooner rather than later!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Alistair</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Julian Tenney [<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 25 April 2013 13:41<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers (<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>)<br><b>Cc:</b> Alistair McNaught; Inge Donkervoort 12Change (<a href="mailto:i.donkervoort@12change.eu">i.donkervoort@12change.eu</a>); 'Fay Cross' (<a href="mailto:Fay.Cross@nottingham.ac.uk">Fay.Cross@nottingham.ac.uk</a>); Nuno Jorge (<a href="mailto:Nuno.Jorge@nottingham.ac.uk">Nuno.Jorge@nottingham.ac.uk</a>)<br><b>Subject:</b> Community Website</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I have to say, I’m not sure the community web site is ready for public consumption. If I go there now, the links are all inconsistent and wrap badly, the login box isn’t aligned, I couldn’t find the downloads, and I’m just not very happy with the way it looks. When you navigate around the pages, the panels jump about. There is inconsistent typography in headings, margins, line breaks and font sizes, the resources page doesn’t contain any resources, the resource panel is repeated on both the showcases and resources page, the FAQ page has styles all of its own and there’s a ton other stuff: it’s all just a bit of a mess if you ask me.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I’m not putting down the work that has gone into it, but I know we can do a lot better than this: it just doesn’t feel finished, and it doesn’t inspire me with confidence in the tools.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>At the moment I would prefer to put v2.0 on the main Xerte web site and direct people there, and we can continue working on the community site now we’ve got this tranche of development work out of the way. We can re-visit the styling of the application as well at the same time, and make the two work together: Nuno applied the same set of styles to toolkits this week, and it didn’t work very well.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So here’s my recommendation: we put v2.0 on the Xerte site as we always have done (or link directly from there to Tom’s zip, without letting the user see the community site if they follow the link from <a href="http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte">www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte</a>: they just get the downloaded zip). Then we properly finish the community site, and re-skin toolkits in the next batch of work.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>This email is confidential and may be privileged. 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