<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Wasn't stonewalling - just pre-empting<br><br>Pgogy Webstuff - <a href="http://www.pgogywebstuff.com">http://www.pgogywebstuff.com</a><div>Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality</div></div><div><br>On 22 Apr 2013, at 17:14, "Ron Mitchell" <<a href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My assessment would be that this provides wider accessibility e.g. for sighted users and general clarity and usability including ease of use for authors and for screenreader users it would be easy to include or link to the kind of description you would put as alt text if the Mathjax functionality doesn't provide the equivalent of that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ron<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Smith, John<br><b>Sent:</b> 22 April 2013 15:56<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What would be considered more accessible:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">this using fonts which do scale but don’t have alt text or<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">an image with alt text=”x equals negative b plus or minus square root of etc, etc” which can be read out?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Just curious.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">John Smith<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Learning Technologist<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">School of Health & Life Sciences<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Glasgow Caledonian University<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 22, 2013 3:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Well, I’m sure Alistair would agree that it would be better to do something that is of limited accessibility to some, but of great use to many, rather than do nothing, with no benefit to anyone. But he would encourage us to find ways to make it accessible if it were possible…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br><b>Sent:</b> 22 April 2013 15:37<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Well, it should be a lot more accessible then the previous solution, as it is displayed using fonts in stead of generating an image. So you can also zoom in, etc.<br><br><image001.png><br><br>But I don't know what a screen reader makes of this.<br><br>It the moment it uses a link to a website maintained by MathJax. It is not pure Javascript. There is a whole engine behind it apparently. You can install it locally (the installer is 16.7 Mb).<br><br>Tom<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Op 22-4-2013 16:30, Pat @ Pgogy schreef:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cool - how accessible is it?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Why doesn't it work off line?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>Pgogy Webstuff - <a href="http://www.pgogywebstuff.com">http://www.pgogywebstuff.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:28, Tom Reijnders <<a href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl">reijnders@tor.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>Like I tried to explain in a different e-mail...<br><br>- Based on MathJax (<a href="http://www.mathjax.org">http://www.mathjax.org</a>, as found by Pat)<br>- Only works in Javascript/HTML5<br>- Doesn't interfere with previous solution<br>- Like previous solution, doesn't work off-line<br><br>Tom<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Op 22-4-2013 16:17, Julian Tenney schreef:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think that would be a big step forward, nice one. This has been a longstanding problem,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br><b>Sent:</b> 22 April 2013 15:15<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Maths</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>What do you think?<br><br><mime-attachment.png><br><br><mime-attachment.png><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>--<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Tom Reijnders<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>TOR Informatica<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Chopinlaan 27<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>5242HM Rosmalen<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Tel: 073 5226191<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Fax: 073 5226196<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Xerte-dev mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev">http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>--<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Tom Reijnders<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>TOR Informatica<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Chopinlaan 27<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>5242HM Rosmalen<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Tel: 073 5226191<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Fax: 073 5226196<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>Xerte-dev mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br><a href="http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev">http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Xerte-dev mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev">http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>--<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Tom Reijnders<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>TOR Informatica<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Chopinlaan 27<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>5242HM Rosmalen<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Tel: 073 5226191<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Fax: 073 5226196<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext"><br></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray">Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474<br><br>Winner: Times Higher Education’s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society’s Education Initiative of the Year 2009.<br><a href="http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html">http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html</a><br><br>Winner: Times Higher Education’s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners.<br><a href="http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html">http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html</a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Xerte-dev mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev">http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>