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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Good example: make it work for the hard of sight, or make it work for the blind? The only real answer is to provide tools so the author can choose based on their audience I think. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Smith, John<br><b>Sent:</b> 22 April 2013 15:56<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What would be considered more accessible:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>this using fonts which do scale but don’t have alt text or<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>an image with alt text=”x equals negative b plus or minus square root of etc, etc” which can be read out?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just curious.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John Smith<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Learning Technologist<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>School of Health & Life Sciences<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Glasgow Caledonian University<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 22, 2013 3:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Well, I’m sure Alistair would agree that it would be better to do something that is of limited accessibility to some, but of great use to many, rather than do nothing, with no benefit to anyone. But he would encourage us to find ways to make it accessible if it were possible…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br><b>Sent:</b> 22 April 2013 15:37<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Maths<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Well, it should be a lot more accessible then the previous solution, as it is displayed using fonts in stead of generating an image. So you can also zoom in, etc.<br><br><img border=0 width=775 height=371 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01CE3F73.1E145140"><br><br>But I don't know what a screen reader makes of this.<br><br>It the moment it uses a link to a website maintained by MathJax. It is not pure Javascript. There is a whole engine behind it apparently. You can install it locally (the installer is 16.7 Mb).<br><br>Tom<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Op 22-4-2013 16:30, Pat @ Pgogy schreef:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cool - how accessible is it?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Why doesn't it work off line?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Pgogy Webstuff - <a href="http://www.pgogywebstuff.com">http://www.pgogywebstuff.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 22 Apr 2013, at 15:28, Tom Reijnders <<a href="mailto:reijnders@tor.nl">reijnders@tor.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Like I tried to explain in a different e-mail...<br><br>- Based on MathJax (<a href="http://www.mathjax.org">http://www.mathjax.org</a>, as found by Pat)<br>- Only works in Javascript/HTML5<br>- Doesn't interfere with previous solution<br>- Like previous solution, doesn't work off-line<br><br>Tom<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Op 22-4-2013 16:17, Julian Tenney schreef:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think that would be a big step forward, nice one. This has been a longstanding problem,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br><b>Sent:</b> 22 April 2013 15:15<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Maths</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>What do you think?<br><br><mime-attachment.png><br><br><mime-attachment.png><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>--<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Tom Reijnders<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>TOR Informatica<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Chopinlaan 27<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>5242HM Rosmalen<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Tel: 073 5226191<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Fax: 073 5226196<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Xerte-dev mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev">http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>--<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Tom Reijnders<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>TOR Informatica<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Chopinlaan 27<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>5242HM Rosmalen<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Tel: 073 5226191<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Fax: 073 5226196<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Xerte-dev mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br><a href="http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev">http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Xerte-dev mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">Xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev">http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>--<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Tom Reijnders<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>TOR Informatica<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Chopinlaan 27<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>5242HM Rosmalen<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Tel: 073 5226191<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Fax: 073 5226196<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'><br></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity, number SC021474<br><br>Winner: Times Higher Education’s Widening Participation Initiative of the Year 2009 and Herald Society’s Education Initiative of the Year 2009.<br><a href="http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html">http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,6219,en.html</a><br><br>Winner: Times Higher Education’s Outstanding Support for Early Career Researchers of the Year 2010, GCU as a lead with Universities Scotland partners.<br><a href="http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html">http://www.gcu.ac.uk/newsevents/news/bycategory/theuniversity/1/name,15691,en.html</a></span><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>