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    The patch should be 2.382.324 bytes in size.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 11-4-2013 15:42, Ron Mitchell
      schreef:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Was
            the correct upgrade definitely in the patch?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
            it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's
            not in the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
            name="_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 11 April 2013 14:33<br>
                <b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
            style="color:windowtext">Strange.<br>
            <br>
            Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails
            called extra_flags.<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Ron
              Mitchell <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</a>>
              schreef:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers got it!<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">I'm not sure if anyone else has tried
            this yet but not quite working for me...<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">1. Applied patch to local copy of svn
            code<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">2. Exported patched version<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">3. Dropped over a localhost test install<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">I can see new options in the properties
            panel e.g. what is the default engine to use for this
            project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">But I can't untick that or tick the flash
            option<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">When following the flash and html5 links
            I get an empty wondow<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">and when trying to create a new LO I get
            an empty window with failed to create new template<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem
            to be anything new in there?<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">HTH<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                  lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
                  [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> 11 April 2013 13:10<br>
                  <b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">I’ve just sent it on…<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                  lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
                  [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> 11 April 2013 12:29<br>
                  <b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="color:windowtext">Didn't want to send It to the
              list . Julian has it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Ron
                Mitchell <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</a>>
                schreef:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Happy to test and feedback but where
                do I get the patch? 752 looks like Fay's update.<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                      lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
                      [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> 11 April 2013 11:08<br>
                      <b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and
                      htaccess<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I am
                off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to
                Julian.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders
                  schreef:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">As an addition:<br>
                  <br>
                  Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or
                  play_4). It will show :<br>
                  1. if the template_frame=xerte  in the engine set by
                  the user<br>
                  2. if the template_frame is site using
                  modules/site/play.php<br>
                  <br>
                  Also, you can use
                  play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or
                  play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to
                  force a specific engine.<br>
                  <br>
                  Some is true for preview.<br>
                  <br>
                  You can also use engine=other (this is used by the
                  wizard when Ctlr+Play is pressed)<br>
                  <br>
                  I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would
                  like some feedback ;-)<br>
                  <br>
                  Tom<br>
                  <br>
                      <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders
                    schreef:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Almost
                    finished.<br>
                    <br>
                    I didn't change anything yet to modularize the
                    properties page<br>
                    <br>
                    - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php
                    and preview<br>
                    - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play<br>
                    - Make use of the same template files as export does
                    for the play and preview<br>
                    - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click<br>
                    - Move site to its own module dir<br>
                    - Changed basic.sql<br>
                    - updates upgrade.php<br>
                    <br>
                    Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet<br>
                    <br>
                    Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752)<br>
                    <br>
                    It's about 2.2Mb<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Op 10-4-2013 23:39, <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:xerte@pgogywebstuff.com">xerte@pgogywebstuff.com</a>
                      schreef:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Sorry for delay - travelling
                        home from a conference.... again<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">The properties page is at
                        present not modular - as it is the same code for
                        each module. At present only Xerte Online
                        Toolkits modules will have more than one URL,
                        hence it needs some "Module" work.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">I think I could see a case
                        for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties
                        which is HTML access - beca use in theory some
                        of the projects are to become HTML5 projects.
                        This tab could explain the process and give the
                        preview and default setting options?<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">This way the main properties
                        tab with the links in could remain as is (for
                        now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we
                        could remove the tab<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">OR<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">You could modularise part of
                        the properties page and give each module a URL
                        _return function like what exists at present<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">I sort of prefer the top
                        version, but am not fussed<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas">https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas</a> exists
                        as well<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Peer.php doesn't exist for
                        all projects, you can turn it on in the .info
                        file should you want too<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">REMEMBER<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">if you add a new module you
                        need to add the new language files as well<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Tom how do you want to divide
                        the work on this? I don't feel it's fair for you
                        to do it all given how much I've moaned about
                        this :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
                      Pgogy Webstuff <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.pgogywebstuff.com">http://www.pgogywebstuff.com</a>
                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Makers of Web things of a
                        fair to middling quality<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote
                      style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        ----- Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="background:#E4E4E4"><b>From:</b><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4">"For
                          Xerte technical developers" <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk></a><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>To:</b><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">"For Xerte technical
                        developers" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk></a><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Cc:</b><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Sent:</b><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49
                        +0200<o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">[Xerte-dev]
                        Re: Modules and htaccess<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        There are some subtle differences:<br>
                        <br>
                        Yes, the user could delivery options in the
                        property page, but you need  to realise that the
                        proerty page is also modular, the form is
                        generated from the modules/<framework> php
                        code. So... only xerte LO's would get that
                        option.<br>
                        <br>
                        And then the URLs that would be provided will
                        NOT be different, but the way the URL behaves,
                        i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired
                        to see which engine to use.<br>
                        <br>
                        I think that I go ahead and show you how
                        everything is pieces nicely together.<br>
                        <br>
                        As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have
                        'site' (or whetever you want to call it) in the
                        originaltemplatesdetails table in the
                        'framework' column, and the play_site.php,
                        preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php
                        should move to a f older modules/site and be
                        called play.php, preview.php and perhaps
                        export.php.<br>
                        <br>
                        Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and
                        'root' preview.php... and even peer.php<br>
                        <br>
                        Right Pat?<br>
                        <br>
                        I am working on it, and provide you with a patch
                        so you can test. Once you understand what is
                        reuired, it is rather straightforward. <br>
                        <br>
                        If we're committing this, I'll will also write
                        an article of how this works.<br>
                        <br>
                        Tom<o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian
                          Tenney schreef:<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote
                        style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I'd
                            prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll
                            mangle<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Mangle
                            away… this obviously has links to the
                            propertie s panel and URLs for each piece as
                            we discussed earlier in the week. To
                            summarise the discussions, here’s where I
                            thought we’d got to:<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
                            user would select the delivery option from
                            the properties panel;<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Different
                            URLs would provide access to the content –
                            so the flash / html URLs would actually be
                            available<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Principle:
                            authors test and check rather than
                            auto-conversion<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
                            setting in the properties panel would drive
                            the URLs in the various feeds etc<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Principle:
                            existing links continue to work <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="mson">Workaround: we can leave the
                            play_html5.php page in place as it’s not
                            only Ron who is already putting content
                            ‘live’ this way<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We
                            need to accommodate the site template as
                            well (which I’m going to have to rename for
                            political reasons here, otherwise M&C
                            will kill it. Learning Module?)<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Is
                            there anything else? If we have a good list,
                            we’ll only have to do the work once…<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks
                            Tom and Pat for picking this up,<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Julian<o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
                              #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                                    lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                                  lang="EN-US"> <a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
                                  [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.acuk</a>]
                                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pat @ Pgogy<br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b> 10 April 2013 12:13<br>
                                  <b>To:</b> For Xerte technical
                                  developers<br>
                                  <b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re:
                                  Modules and htaccess</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                              didn't make the changes last time (as
                              sorry to sound like a stuck record) as I
                              didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it
                              to the road map. So I didn't want to waste
                              a day of Fay's time in changing stuff.<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                              felt xenith was important and so I didn't
                              want to screw it up with the wrong sort of
                              changes.<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">You
                              could place a header redirect in
                              playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to
                              another link, thus old links could be
                              maintained - albeit as a work round.<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I'd
                              prefer to say, finish your stuff, then
                              I'll mangle<br>
                              <br>
                              Pgogy Webstuff - <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://www.pgogywebstuff.com">http://www.pgogywebstuff.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Makers
                                of web things of a fair to middling
                                quality<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>On
                                10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney
                                <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>>
                                wrote:<o:p></o:p></b></p>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote
                            style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>Is
                                  there any way we can do both things,
                                  i.e. leave the existing stuff in place
                                  so things don’t break, but build a new
                                  modular play engine that handles the
                                  modular stuff much better? When I put
                                  the site template in it was obvious
                                  that it was a bit of a pain, as you
                                  say having to add new files to the
                                  root folder is bad news, and having to
                                  modify other files in the root folder
                                  is also not so plug and play: there is
                                  specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do
                                  this else do that) code in ther e,
                                  which shouldn’t be there really.<o:p></o:p></b></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b> <o:p></o:p></b></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>We
                                  wanted to put a new zip out on 26<sup>th</sup>
                                  April, a tentative deadline. I don’t
                                  mind waiting a few more weeks, but we
                                  really need to get this out there so
                                  that it can be installed in places
                                  before the summer – so those who want
                                  to build materials for next year can
                                  use it over the summer. The end of May
                                  would be about as far as I’d want to
                                  wait I think.<o:p></o:p></b></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b> <o:p></o:p></b></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>What
                                  do others think?<o:p></o:p></b></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b> <o:p></o:p></b></p>
                              <div>
                                <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
                                  #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm
                                  0cm">
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                                        lang="EN-US">From: <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
                                        [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
                                        On Behalf Of <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:xerte@pgogywebstuff.com">xerte@pgogywebstuff.com</a><br>
                                        Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19<br>
                                        To: For Xerte technical
                                        developers<br>
                                        Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules
                                        and htaccess</span><o:p></o:p></b></p>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b> <o:p></o:p></b></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>True,
                                  and happy to shut up<o:p></o:p></b></p>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b> <o:p></o:p></b></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>But
                                    I first raised this in November - <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html">http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html</a> -
                                    but it didn't go anywhere<o:p></o:p></b></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b> <o:p></o:p></b></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <blockquote
                                  style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>-----
                                      Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></b></p>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#E4E4E4"><b>From:<o:p></o:p></b></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#E4E4E4"><b>"For
                                        Xerte technical developers" <<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>><o:p></o:p></b></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b> <o:p></o:p></b></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>To:<o:p></o:p></b></p>
                                </blockquote>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>"For
                                    Xerte technical developers" <<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>><o:p></o:p></b></p>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>Cc:<o:p></o:p></b></p>
                                </div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b> <o:p></o:p></b></p>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>Sent:<o:p></o:p></b></p>
                                </div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>Wed,
                                    10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100<o:p></o:p></b></p>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>Subject:<o:p></o:p></b></p>
                                </div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>[Xert
                                    e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Always we seem to hit something
                                    fundamental right before we're due
                                    to finish the work. There is a
                                    degree of frustration here with two
                                    things:<br>
                                    <br>
                                    - we have already worked through
                                    this twice: Fay has worked through
                                    it once with Pat to get the html5
                                    links working, and I have worked
                                    through it with Pat to get the site
                                    template working. Now we want to do
                                    it differently?<br>
                                    - if you take pre-release code and
                                    it changes, well, that's sometimes
                                    life. Play_html5 was always intended
                                    as a way of beta testing the
                                    templates, rather than anything
                                    else.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    At this stage of things, I think we
                                    should go with what we have, and
                                    Tom's database solution solution,
                                    and get this phase of work done, and
                                    then address it later when we have a
                                    new cycle underway. I appreciate the
                                    issues, but there is no point in
                                    getting hung about functionality
                                    that no one is using yet
                                    (modularity), at the expense of
                                    functionality that everyone wants to
                                    use (htm l5 delivery). <br>
                                    <br>
                                    -----Original Message-----<br>
                                    From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
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                                    On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell<br>
                                    Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15<br>
                                    To: 'For Xerte technical developers'<br>
                                    Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and
                                    htaccess<br>
                                    <br>
                                    For me the basic principal must be
                                    whatever we want to be defaults for
                                    any new solution mustn't break
                                    existing links or require people to
                                    duplicate or re-write any code to
                                    maintain that compatibility. The
                                    vast majority will not have the
                                    time, skills or inclination to do
                                    that. So...<br>
                                    <br>
                                    /play.php?template_id=123 and
                                    /play_123 including the embed code
                                    links should continue to play
                                    existing LO's via Flash likewise<br>
                                    /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and
                                    /play_html5_123 should continue to
                                    work even if that's no longer the
                                    default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    I can see the point about not
                                    referring to html5 and keeping it
                                    more future proofed and again I
                                    can't see a problem with changes
                                    like this or the new defaults being
                                    Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML
                                    as long as existing links aren't
                                    broken. But what would be the
                                    Apache/htaccess version of that? <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Over time JISC Techdis and other
                                    organisations and individuals have
                                    shared many links to LO's they have
                                    made public with the community, with
                                    their learners, with colleagues and
                                    this includes sharing of the
                                    play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly
                                    that's what we've had since the 1.8
                                    release so obviously we shouldn't
                                    break those links if we can possibly
                                    avoid it.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    HTH<br>
                                    Ron<br>
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                                    On Behalf Of Smith, John<br>
                                    Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25<br>
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                                    Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and
                                    htaccess<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Howdy<br>
                                    <br>
                                    I personally think you need to run
                                    everything through the same page,
                                    with parameters Its the only way you
                                    can prevent worsening the situation
                                    12 months down the line where we
                                    have many deployed play urls which
                                    have to be maintained.. Plan to
                                    deprecate play_html5 and then people
                                    can rewrite that page to your main
                                    play.php page with method=html or
                                    even duplicate the main play.php
                                    file as play_html5 if they must.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Begs the question - should we drop
                                    references to html5 and just call it
                                    html - what happens if they release
                                    html6 in a few years?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Regards<br>
                                    <br>
                                    John Smith<br>
                                    Learning Technologist<br>
                                    School of Health and Life Sciences<br>
                                    <br>
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                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    "Pat @ Pgogy" <<a
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                                    wrote:<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Could we use the following URL
                                    structure?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Can the play URL be<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Play.php?template_id=560<br>
                                    And<br>
Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML<br>
                                    <br>
                                    And not playhtml.php?<br>
                                    <br>
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